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How often do realms tend to implode due to dissolution wars?

I really like the changes made to Clan governments, especially the marriage one.

They will happen more often within the Struggle; outside of it it's quite limited. We didn't want them to happen systematically either. Your feedback will be more than welcome to help us balance it further after the release!

Should be Pallars, with an R. Otherwise it's a different nsfw thing...
Oups... Edited the post! Thanks!
 
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Hurray to dissolution factions!
Question though: if the dissolution is successful, will the former ruler, his relatives or formerly powerful vasalls be equipped with some sort of reconquest-cb? Or, framed differently: once dissoluted, are those realms gone for good, or can they be reclaimed somehow?
The title is destroyed and needs to be recreated. All claims on the title are lost.

Will you also notify the team? It's Pallas in the screenshot too.

But it's on the map without an R! Meaning, the issue is in the game code! But very cool everything else!
So, after verification both spelling arevalid: Pallars and Pallás

Quick questions about shared head of faith:
  • Can you participate in great holy wars called by your head of faith (e.g. an Insular Christian joining a Catholic Crusade)?
  • Conversely, if your tenets allow it, can you call a great holy war despite your head of faith (the nominal declarer) being of a different faith?
  • Likewise for things like asking your head of faith for money (although I'd guess with a different faith, the opinion modifier would make him less likely to accept).
  • No, the Great Holy War is specific to a Faith, not a Religion
  • So, no
  • You can you Head of Faith for money even if you don't have the same Faith

Two questions.

1. Since Struggles seem to be a general mechanic rather than a hardcoded script like Danelaw? Do you predict Struggle for England getting converted to this system at some point in the future? Of course, I'm not asking for a promise or a commitment here.
2. Can we get the "Promise Marriage" for Feudal/Tribal leaders too? Pretty please!
  1. Nothing planned indeed, but that's not out of the picture
  2. That's something we could explore as an interaction maybe
Does El Cid finally have a scripted portrait?
He will!

So El Cid will be landed in 1066 now?

There are still several questions though.
1. Will the Holy See still be limited to Catholic only?
2. Have you tested the dissolution faction? Will its existence weaken other factions which are available now?
  1. He will not be landed: he is still in the court of Castille
  2. Yes we did! Some vassals will prefer it over the independence factions whereas Claimants will avoid it to favor a Claimant faction

This is great stuff, thank you!

out of curiosity (and please correct me if I misinterpret this) does Jizya also mean that the vassal can’t/or the AI won’t convert their religion if it is applied? It’s my understanding that it’s a tax applied for the protection of being able to practice one’s faith so is that taken into account at all?

i get that it would be useless and go away if a ruler converted to Islam but it would make sense to (again from my understanding) make it so that ruler and their lands are harder to convert too in exchange for the taxes/protection.

The Jizya is an improved version of the Religious protection basically, so it will indeed protect the vassal's from being converted!
 
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I like the dissolution factions in theory, but I do worry that this means the Byzantine Empire is going to pretty much instantly collapse every game. What with their constant civil wars, the bar for factions pressing their demands tends to be really low which seems like a recipe for disaster with dissolution factions.
From what we observed, it's not the case; mostly because the powerful vassals tend to be Claimant and thus will prefer seizing the title than dissolving the empire.
Destruction faction sounds great, hopefully tribals will have a buff to them forming, can help show break up of kievan rus, hre interregnum, and poland losing silesia to the germans for 600 years
It's more likely to happen to Tribal Government indeed!

I hope Dissolution Factions means that you can make non-Western Europe not all start with Partition like they do now since there are other means of shattering large realms. All this flavor for Andalusians is cool and all but watching them split because of Partition succession is very immersion-breaking for me.
We didn't change succession law for this FP. It might be something we explore, but the Partition also have some gameplay role: it makes the early game more challenging.

The Dissolution faction seems a really good thing! But I'm afraid that the Byzantine Empire or other important AI Empires will explode after 100 years if not keep on check (which would suck for historical nerds like me but will also displease players who love challenges and will have to face 200 micro nations insted of a Big rival).
While we didn't notice anything extreme, we will welcome all feedback on it!

Perhaps the Dissolution Faction can be put in a Game Rule?
Adding that to our backlog; the difficulty and realm stability affect it already. Not sure if we need a dedicated rule, but it's worth thinking about!

Is the centralization (crown authority) of the kingdom have an influence on the dissolution factions ? It would seem strange that a very centralized France would just vanish in thin air just because of one bad succession - it would seem that several liberty factions could suit better first, then once the country's crown has just fictional power over the country, the proper dissolution is the logical next step.

I'm really excited for this new possibility to shatter big empires (including mine), all the more when they are huge without a really strong emperor !
The crown authority do not affect the likeliness of the faction, but that's an interesting idea!

I have questions about the Rite Tenet.

  • Will it be available to Pagan Faiths?
  • How will it work with non-ecumenical Christian Faiths, or Jewish Faiths?
  • Will it be possible to create a shared Head of Faith title if it originated with a different Faith?
  • How will crusades and excommunications work?
  • The Rite Tenet requires a Spiritual head of Faith, and is blocked for Islam as they have their own system
  • The effect is adjusted to not keep Ecumenism; or am I misunderstanding the question?
  • Not with the current implementation
  • Crusades are faith-specific and excommunication can be requested as long as the faith have the Communion Tenet

Since you added another faction targeting the top-level ruler, wouldn't it be a good opportunity to add factions that are loyalist and/or try to counter-balance rebellious movements within the realm?

Especially vassals with very good contract conditions should have a huge desire to keep the realm alive.
I don't think adding new factions would be the right solution, but that's something we could explore in the future. Maybe via an interaction, allowing Vassals to support their liege in civil wars, or for the Liege to request support in exchange of a favor.

Do the Umayyads still start with Confederate Partition? I find that caused them to split a historically most games.
Yes, they start with the Confederate Partition!

Are faiths with the shared HoF able to have one of their own elected to be the Head of Faith? As in are Mozarabics, Insular or Conversos able to get one of their own to be elected as Pope?

When the Catholics call a Crusade are the faiths with share the Pope as HoF able to join in the Crusade?

Are Catholic rulers able to join a defensive Holy War on the side of a Mozarabic/Insular/Converso ruler?
  • Not in the current implementation
  • No, the Crusade is Faith specific
  • Yes they can join a defensive Holy War of the other Faith with the same Head

If Aragonese emerges as part of the creation of the kingdom of Aragon. Does the culture of the founder have any influence on what Aragonese is considered to have diverged/descended from? And do you get to choose any tenets for it when it's created?

I'll let you discover that in-game :)

I'm worried a bit about him about HRE and maybe France with Dissolution Faction. Will they keep falling apart ?
Titles with an elective succession are less likely to be targeted by Dissolution faction.

Can the Pope be Mozarabic or Insular?
Not in the current implementation

Question: since clan is just muslim stuff can it be renamed to Muslim governance or something? Or are there plans to make clan work for non-muslim realms?

Who knows what can happen in the future?

I know it would be probably redundant (as pagan faiths within religion view each other as astray) but does HoF sharing apply to them as well?

Technically, it could be but we didn't implement anything for that as far as I know

Is there any way to usurp the primacy of head of faith title? Such as making the papacy insular or keeping other sunni faiths under your new caliphate?

No, but that's a funny idea!

Will it now be possible to switch from a Feudal government to a Clan and vice-versa? Some of my Haesteinn campaigns always get messed up from this.

It's not possible, but it's definitely something we have in our backlog!

Cheers,
 
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