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EU4 - Development Diary - 13th of November 2018

Welcome once more to another Tuesday development diary. This week I’m going to focus on content for the nations of the Maghreb, but I’ll also revisit Catholic Iberia towards the end.

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Morocco’s mission tree leads the player on a military adventure across the world; you’ll lead your armies across the coast of the Maghreb, through the Sahara desert and into the rich empires of West Africa. The player now has much more agency over Morocco’s expansion southwards, with the Sudanese Expedition event now being tied to completing the ‘Saharan Route’ mission. Establishing a foothold in West Africa and establishing a new palace built with Portuguese ransom money will grant the powerful Black Guard modifier, giving Morocco +2.5% discipline for the rest of the game. Plundering the riches of Mali will also net you an impressive haul of gold to add to your treasury.

Looking northwards, Morocco must also sponsor pirates against the Iberian powers, and lead a raiding expedition to Iceland and beyond. Morocco will also be encouraged to create an overseas empire, focusing on Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean.

At long last, Morocco has a set of national ideas of its very own:

Code:
MOR_ideas = {
    start = {
        may_perform_slave_raid = yes
        naval_forcelimit_modifier = 0.25
    }
    bonus = {
        hostile_attrition = 1
    }
    trigger = {
        tag = MOR
    }
    free = yes
    mor_powerful_viziers = {
        same_culture_advisor_cost = -0.2
    }
    mor_marabouts = {
        idea_cost = -0.1
        monthly_piety = -0.001
    }
    trans_saharan_trade = {
        trade_efficiency = 0.1
        caravan_power = 0.2
    }
    mor_fleet = {
        galley_power = 0.2
    }
    mor_pirate_republics = {
        privateer_efficiency = 0.15
    }
    mor_slave_soldiers = {
        land_maintenance_modifier = -0.05
        cavalry_power = 0.1
    }
    mor_curb_power_of_the_tribes = {
        global_autonomy = -0.05
    }
}

mor_powerful_viziers:0 "Powerful Viziers"
 mor_powerful_viziers_desc:0 "Morocco's Viziers wield exceptional power within the state. Though undoubtedly effective at administering our nation, we must take care that they do not cultivate ambitions for even greater power."
 mor_marabouts:0 "Sufi Marabouts"
 mor_marabouts_desc:0 "Several groups of Sufi teachers have made Morocco their home. We must make sure that we accmodate these holy men, and take their teachings to heart."
 mor_pirate_republics:0 "Protect Pirate Republics"
 mor_pirate_republics_desc:0 "Made up of refugees and opportunists, a multitude of pirate settlements have sprung up on the Moroccan coast. We should take these pirates under our wing so that they may harass our enemies on the water."
 mor_fleet:0 "Defend the Coastline"
 mor_fleet_desc:0 "Morocco has many enemies that could launch an invasion from acrosss the sea. We must contruct a fleet large and powerful enough to repel foreign invaders whether they be Christian conquerors or Muslim corsairs."
 mor_slave_soldiers:0 "Slave Soldiers"
 mor_slave_soldiers_desc:0 "Unfortunately we cannot always trust our soldiers to serve us loyally. By creating an army of slaves however, loyalty ceases to be a relevant concern."
 mor_curb_power_of_the_tribes:0 "Curb Tribal Power"
 mor_curb_power_of_the_tribes_desc:0 "The nomadic tribes that travel across our lands are our nominal subjects, but also a regular source of discord and dissent. We must rein in their power and bring them firmly in line with the state's policies."

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Tunis’ mission tree is somewhat pirate-themed. They will be encouraged to be the menace of the Mediterranean, occupying its islands and using them as a base to plunder the wealthy ports of Venice, Genoa, and Valencia. Establishing a sufficiently powerful privateering base on the Barbary Coast will attract the attention of one Hayreddin Barbarossa, who may come offering his services rather than as a conqueror.

Like Morocco, Tunis will also have greater control over its southward expansion. They must pacify the Berber tribes and seize control of the Saharan trade in order to open a path of conquest to West Africa.

Tunis too has earned its own national ideas:
Code:
TUN_ideas = {
    start = {
        may_perform_slave_raid = yes
        galley_power = 0.2
    }
    bonus = {
        naval_forcelimit_modifier = 0.25
    }
    trigger = {
        tag = TUN
    }
    free = yes
    tun_catalan_guard = {
        mercenary_discipline = 0.05
        infantry_power = 0.05
    }
    dual_diplomacy = {
        diplomatic_upkeep = 1
    }
    corsairs = {
        navy_tradition = 1
        privateer_efficiency = 0.10
    }
    tun_attract_foreign_pirates = {
        global_sailors_modifier = 0.25
    }
    tun_board_of_captains = {
        leader_naval_fire = 1
    }
    tun_export_monopolies = {
        global_own_trade_power = 0.2
        trade_efficiency = 0.05
    }
    tun_caliphate = {
        tolerance_own = 1
        monthly_piety = 0.001
    }
}

tun_catalan_guard:0 "Catalan Guard"
 tun_catalan_guard_desc:0 "We have hired a large contingent of Catalan mercenaries to protect the Sultan. As experienced soldiers with no stake in Tunisian politics, they can be relied upon to serve us loyally so long as we continue to pay them well."
 tun_attract_foreign_pirates:0 "Attract Foreign Pirates"
 tun_attract_foreign_pirates_desc:0 "It is not only ghazi, refugees, and fishermen who are attracted to piracy; the allure of profit can attract even our Christian enemies to the profession."
 tun_board_of_captains:0 "Board of Captains"
 tun_board_of_captains_desc:0 "The corsairs must no longer conduct their business in an unorganized and decentralized fashion. It is time to establish a state-led Board of Captains to organize and regulate pirate activity on our coast."
 tun_export_monopolies:0 "Export Monopolies"
 tun_export_monopolies_desc:0 "As the rural interior of our nation better integrates with the urban coast, more goods find their way into Tunisian ports. We must monopolize exports of these goods so that the profits benefit the state."
 tun_caliphate:0 "Tunisian Caliphate"
 tun_caliphate_desc:0 "Though the Sultans of Tunis have long styled themselves as Caliphs of Islam, this title has rarely been taken seriously by other Muslims. We must demonstrate our piety so that our brothers of the faith see us as a true Caliphate."

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We’ve loosened the requirements for forming Morocco and Tunis, which will make these mission trees more accessible to other nations in the region. We’ve also replaced some of the generic missions for Maghrebi nations, seen above. These missions will be free in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update and available to all Maghrebi nations without unique missions.

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Here we have the mission tree for Granada and Andalusia, the White Phoenix. These missions are available in a reduced form for Granada, and for any nation that forms Andalucia.

Granada has a very difficult start; not only eyed hungrily by the Iberians, especially Castile, they must now contend with a looming disaster; in the Granadan War of Succession Yusuf V will attempt to seize the throne from the incompetent Sultan Muhammad IX of the Nasrid dynasty. Granada’s early missions will guide them through the difficult first years of the game.

If by some miracle you manage to secure Granada as a true regional power and restore the great Sultanate of Andalusia, the mission tree will expand significantly to reveal new paths of conquest and exploration. Along the way you’ll restore the Emirate of Sicily, restore the Great Mosque of Isbiliya, and beat back Christina rule all the way to France. Conquering the former Fatimid realm of Egypt will grant the opportunity to move the capital to Egypt and convert to the Shia faith, while exploring Africa and the New World will grant colonial bonuses as well the conquistador Mustafa Azemmouri, one of the few historical survivors of the doomed Narváez expedition.

And here's an idea set for Andalusia:

Code:
ADU_ideas = {
    start = {
        land_morale = 0.15
        global_ship_trade_power = 0.25
    }

    bonus = {
        global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.1
    }
 
    trigger = {
        tag = ADU
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.
 
    adu_stand_against_the_reconquista = {
        fire_damage_received = -0.15
    }
    adu_taifa_adminstration = {
        vassal_forcelimit_bonus = 1
    }
    adu_ahl_uhl_dhimma = {
            tolerance_heathen = 3
    }
    adu_legacy_of_ibn_arabi = {
        monthly_piety = -0.001
         idea_cost = -0.1
    }
    adu_jund_settlements = {
        global_manpower_modifier = 0.15
        core_creation = -0.15
    }
    adu_expeditionary_sentiment = {
        colonists = 1
    }
    adu_al_awasim = {
        defensiveness = 0.1
        rival_border_fort_maintenance = -0.25
    }
}

Let’s revisit Catholic Iberia briefly. We’ve been working on some new Dynamic Historical events for the region which weren’t ready for announcement last week. Here’s a taster:

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We’ve revisited the national ideas of the Iberian nations following feedback and internal testing. The revised Castilian and Spanish ideas are displayed below:

Code:
SPA_ideas = {
    start = {
        land_morale = 0.15
        artillery_fire = 1
    }
 
    bonus = {
        discipline = 0.05
    }
 
    trigger = {
        tag = SPA
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.

    devout_catholisism = {
        papal_influence = 2
    }
    inter_caetera = {
        idea_claim_colonies = yes
        colonists = 1
    }
    gold_fleet = {
        naval_forcelimit = 0.25
    }
    spanish_armada = {
        heavy_ship_power = 0.1
        leader_naval_manuever = 1
    }
    spa_casa_de_contracion = {
        envoy_travel_time = -0.33
        global_tariffs = 0.15
    }
    spa_cortes = {
        possible_dip_policy = 1
    }
    siglo_de_oro = {
        prestige = 1
    }
}

CAS_ideas = {
    start = {
        land_morale = 0.15
        missionaries = 1
    }
    bonus = {
        global_colonial_growth = 25
    }
    trigger = {
        tag = CAS
    }
    free = yes        #will be added at load.
    the_reconquista = {
        army_tradition_decay = -0.01
    }
    spanish_inquisition = {
        global_missionary_strength = 0.02
    }
    cabildos = {
        production_efficiency = 0.1
    }
    inter_caetera = {
        idea_claim_colonies = yes
        colonists = 1
    }
    infantas = {
        diplomatic_reputation = 1
        heir_chance = 0.33
    }
    salamanca_scholars = {
        global_institution_spread = 0.1
    }
    nueva_planta = {
        global_autonomy = -0.05
    }
}


In addition, the following changes have been made to Navarra, Aragon, and the Berber group:

Code:
Aragon: Ambition changed to +1 artillery fire
Navarra: End of the Fueros idea changed to -25% Autonomy Change Cooldown
Berbers: Hostile Core Creation Cost tradition changed to -25% Naval Attrition

Lastly, just for fun here’s a set of national ideas for the great nation of Texas:

Code:
TEX_ideas = {
    start = {
       fire_damage_received = -0.1
        no_religion_penalty = yes
    }
    bonus = {
        land_morale = 0.15
    }
    trigger = {
        tag = TEX
    }
    free = yes
    lone_star_state = {
        prestige = 1
    }
    tex_revolution = {
        fire_damage = 0.1
    }
    cotton_plantations = {
        trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.1
    }
    vaqueros = {
        land_attrition = -0.1
        movement_speed = 0.15
    }
    tex_native_frontiers = {
        army_tradition_decay = -0.01
    }
    tejanos = {
        stability_cost_modifier = -0.15
    }
    adelsverin = {
        development_cost = -0.1
    }
}
lone_star_state:0 "Lone Star State"
 lone_star_state_desc:0 "Texas stands as an independent nation, priding itself on self-sufficiency and individualism."
 tex_revolution:0 "Texan Revolution"
 tex_revolution_desc:0 "We have fought hard for our independence, and we are prepared to fight to the death against any who would threaten our liberty."
 cotton_plantations:0 "Cotton Plantations"
 cotton_plantations_desc:0 "The fertile fields of Texas provide excellent land for cotton plantations; settlers, slaves, immigrants, and farmers come from far and wide to work the new lands. If we take advantage of this, we can export this valuable crop worldwide in no time."
 vaqueros:0 "Vaqueros"
 vaqueros_desc:0 "The Vaqueros are the mounted pastoral farmers of the Americas, and it is a lifestyle that has a special place in our culture. These 'cowboys' are hardy workmen, adapted to the lay of the land and skilled in horse riding. They take great pride in their skill in cattle and horse wrangling."
 tex_native_frontiers:0 "Frontier Nation"
 tex_native_frontiers_desc:0 "As a state on the frontier, we are confronted with dangerous Native American adversaries. If we are to keep our people safe, it is important to maintain an effective and mobile fighting force."
 tejanos:0 "Tejanos"
 tejanos_desc:0 "As a former province of Mexico, Texas has never fully abandoned its roots; Texas-Mexicans, or Tejanos, are very much integral to our state's vibrant culture, contributing no shortage of foods, music, language, and traditions."
 adelsverin:0 "Adelsverin"
 adelsverin_desc:0 "In the wake of unrest and revolutions in Europe, Germans flee to the new world en masse seeking stability and safety. The Mainzer Adelsverein will promote the establishment of German communities settling in Texas, as well as their integration into our nation."


Note from Groogy
So since bunch of people asked what Artillery Fire is, instead of answering every individual instance of where someone asked that I'm putting a summary here. The important part you need to know, it makes all cannons go more boom boom and make more damage.

Artillery Fire is a modifier that previously was only exclusive to tech. In fact all of the various tech weapon values are now available to the modifier system. The weapon technology value is part of the casualties equation and is applied multiplicatively. Very TL;DR and skipping some parts for the land combat formula is something like:

Code:
dmg = ((regiment pips + leader pips + dice - terrain) * regiment strength * discipline / military tactics) * weapon technology * combat ability

Where Weapon technology is where the Artillery Fire goes in if the regiment is artillery and it is in fact fire phase. Artillery Fire is a bit special because it is also used in naval combat, regardless of if it is shock phase or fire phase.
 
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It could include the event of the first world map made by the Spanish Juan de la Cosa in the year 1500.

Also review the administrative, diplomatic and military points of Carlos III (4,2,3) considering that he has been the best Bourbon king that Spain has had, initiating a period of enlightened reformism and a good foreign policy. Compared with the rest of European kings, his assessment I think is not well done.
 
It could include the event of the first world map made by the Spanish Juan de la Cosa in the year 1500.

Also review the administrative, diplomatic and military points of Carlos III (4,2,3) considering that he has been the best Bourbon king that Spain has had, initiating a period of enlightened reformism and a good foreign policy. Compared with the rest of European kings, his assessment I think is not well done.

What about Ferdinand VI and his navy reform?
 
are you still not including "the great captain" Gonzalo fernandez de cordoba and Blas de Lezo into Spain events or leaders? they are the absolute heroes of the nation

Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba "El gran capitan" He was the father of tercios
Blas de Lezo "The hero of Cartagena"
Alvaro de Bazan
Juan "de Austria" The bastard son of Carlos I
Cosme Damian Churruca
Fernando Alvarez de Toledo y Pimentel
Bernardo de Galvez -He was the leader of spanish army helping usa get independence of england,in some places of usa he is still honored
Alejandro Farnesio
Federico Gravina
Hernando de soto
Antonio Barcelo
Antonio de escaño
Garcia alvarez de Toledo y Osorio
Alonso Perez de Guzman
Alonso de Ercilla y Zuñiga
Juan Ruiz de Apodaca
Pablo Morillo
Tomas Geraldino Geraldino
Ventura Caro y Maza de Linaza
Andrea Doria- He was italian,started at service of "Francisco I" off France but he changed and go to serve Carlos I
 
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I can't wait to snuff out this so called . . . "White Phoenix."
My reconquista muahaha
Yeah, your are right. We can continue that discussion in other threads. For example, in one of my threads we were discussing that a few days ago. We should focus on other issues here.
Yes, let's shift the focus to where it matters in regards to the DD.
 
Gonzaloz Fernandez de Cordoba "El gran capitan" He was the father of tercios
Blas de Lezo "The hero of Cartagena"
Alvaro de Bazan
Juan "de Austria" The bastard son of Carlos I
Cosme Damian Churruca
Fernando Alvarez de Toledo y Pimentel
Bernardo de Galvez -He was the leader of spanish army helping usa get independence of england,in some places of usa he is still honored
Alejandro Farnesio
Federico Gravina
Hernando de soto
Antonio Barcelo
Antonio de escaño
Garcia alvarez de Toledo y Osorio
Alonso Perez de Guzman
Alonso de Ercilla y Zuñiga
Juan Ruiz de Apodaca
Pablo Morillo
Tomas Geraldino Geraldino
Ventura Caro y Maza de Linaza
Andrea Doria- He was italian,started at service of "Francisco I" off France but he changed and go to serve Carlos I

Luís de Cordova!
 
first navigator who went around the world (who was a Spaniard), or of the explorer who discovered Brazil (another Spanish

Dude, say what?! Not sure how history was re-written over there, but the first circumnavigation is credited to Fernão de Magalhães throughout the world, unless you think the anglicised name "Magellan" refers to Elcano.... I'll give the spaniards credit for financing the expedition, but don't call the man a spaniard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan

As to the discovery of Brazil, I'm at a complete loss as to how you associate it with spaniards - Pedro Álvares Cabral couldn't be more Portuguese if he tried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Álvares_Cabral

Spain accomplished great things as a country throughout the EU4 time period, no need to claim someone else's RL achievements as her own. That said, Spain only went to sea following Portugal, her discoveries and her wealth. As did the Dutch and the British.
 
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Dude, say what?! Not sure how history was re-written over there, but the first circumnavigation is credited to Fernão de Magalhães throughout the world, unless you think the anglicised name "Magellan" refers to Elcano.... I'll give the spaniards credit for financing the expedition, but don't call the man a spaniard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan

As to the discovery of Brazil, I'm at a complete loss as to how you associate it with spaniards - Pedro Álvares Cabral couldn't be more Portuguese if he tried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Álvares_Cabral

Spain accomplished great things as a country throughout the EU4 time period, no need to claim someone else's RL achievements as her own. That said, Spain only went to sea following Portugal, her discoveries and her wealth. As did the Dutch and the British.

In the topic I created there is this guy saying that Portugal never won an important war or battle, all battles were won against very primitive enemies...

I know that the overal ignorance about portuguese history is very low, and I admit that it is our fault, like someone said in this post, we dont "sell" our trademark very well... But this... This is too much.
 
But this... This is too much.

Yeah, mate - what you said. Funny thing is I'm the least nationalistic person I know (I think being all chuffed with yourself by virtue of something entirely out of your control such as being born here or there is complete idiocy), but that post made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up....
 
Dude, say what?! Not sure how history was re-written over there, but the first circumnavigation is credited to Fernão de Magalhães throughout the world, unless you think the anglicised name "Magellan" refers to Elcano.... I'll give the spaniards credit for financing the expedition, but don't call the man a spaniard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan

As to the discovery of Brazil, I'm at a complete loss as to how you associate it with spaniards - Pedro Álvares Cabral couldn't be more Portuguese if he tried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Álvares_Cabral

Spain accomplished great things as a country throughout the EU4 time period, no need to claim someone else's RL achievements as her own. That said, Spain only went to sea following Portugal, her discoveries and her wealth. As did the Dutch and the British.
magallanes don circunnavigate first the orbe, was elcano. magallanes died in filipinas.

hoewer is irrelevant who wuere the first, both were spaniards.
 
Dude, say what?! Not sure how history was re-written over there, but the first circumnavigation is credited to Fernão de Magalhães throughout the world, unless you think the anglicised name "Magellan" refers to Elcano.... I'll give the spaniards credit for financing the expedition, but don't call the man a spaniard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan

As to the discovery of Brazil, I'm at a complete loss as to how you associate it with spaniards - Pedro Álvares Cabral couldn't be more Portuguese if he tried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Álvares_Cabral

Spain accomplished great things as a country throughout the EU4 time period, no need to claim someone else's RL achievements as her own. That said, Spain only went to sea following Portugal, her discoveries and her wealth. As did the Dutch and the British.


Hello friend, what you write is literally Charles Fletcher Lummis in his book The Spanish Pioneers (1893), what is certain is that the first round the world is the expedition of Magellan under the crown of Castile, which Magellan died in The Philippines and Juan Sebastian Elcano continued in the Nao Victoria bound for Spain through the Indian Ocean, 18 people arrived in Spain and the captain was Juan Sebastian Elcano. Magallanes devised and planned the expedition but did not fulfill the mission when he died halfway, he did discover the passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific and gave the name of Pacific Ocean (we know it by Pigafetta the expedition's chronicler) to be the first in Surf it and discover the Philippines.

That's why Lummins considered that Spanish was the first person to go around the world. But we must admit that the brain of the expedition and the leader was Magellan, he would have died, he would have been the first to go around the world.

The discovery of Brazil I do not know if Lummis considered that Vicente Yañez Pinzón arrived before, they are hypothesis, Cabral is considered the first European that arrived in Brazil.

Lummis wrote in the late nineteenth century, what I think is that both Portuguese and Spanish made the greatest discoveries of history. That yes I think it friend.
 
Brief review of the American Charles Fletcher Lummis in his book The Spanish Pioneers [McClurg Chicago 1893]:

Spaniards were the first who saw and probed the greatest of the gulfs; Spaniards who discovered the two largest rivers; Spaniards who for the first time went around the world.

When the reader knows that the best English textbook does not even mention the name of the first navigator who went around the world (who was a Spaniard), or of the explorer who discovered Brazil (another Spanish), or of the one who discovered California (Spanish) also), nor of the Spaniards who discovered and formed colonies in what is now the United States, and who find in such a book such ominous omissions, and one hundred historical narrations as false as inexcusable are omissions, will understand that the time has come that we do more justice than our fathers did to an issue that should be of the greatest interest to all true Americans.


With this I only want to give relevance to the importance that Spain had in the era of discoveries and that today is underestimated. All this comes because in the EU IV characteristics of Castilla / Spain are improved and a few do not understand them in the eyes of the 21st century.

As it has been said many times the game goes from the fifteenth century to the nineteenth and during the first centuries of the game Castilla / Spain and Portugal were the two most important powers of the time, hence colleagues ask for improvements corrcpondientes of these two countries , always objectively and with historical data.

Unsure what you are trying to mean with with this post by pointing that source. I never read it, bet most people in here didn't either and to be frank if he states what you write in your post, I won't even bother reading it. Many posts in this thread also leave me wonder if people actually know anything about history to make such statements. Sounds like to me that they just want their nation buffed at any cost.

A portuguese was the one to organize the first circumnavigation expedition by the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan

And the ones that discovered Brazil and North America were Portuguese too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Corte-Real and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/João_Vaz_Corte-Real in the case of North America (and the US)

As for Brazil it was definetely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Álvares_Cabral, Portuguese, obviously

There is also some debate and facts that point out that Columbus was in fact Portguese (his signature was always with ç, a letter that only exists in portuguese, and all the names of islands, such as Cuba, were ALL portuguese names, and even his house and wife were in/from Madeira (another place in, you guess, Portugal). But the castilians love to insist he was Spanish just because he was working for them... ha. I am not really here to debate Christopher Columbus' origin since the oficial story is diferent but you people should check your other facts before even writing about them. Definetely speaking about the discovery of Brazil and about the one that actually organized the first circumnavigation for instance.

Some of the people in here can't even write in english properly. I make mistakes too since I am not from an English speaking country, I am not a grammar nazi and I am not here to make silly jokes about their way of speaking, but coupled with ridiculous statements like "Camoes said that Portuguese and Castilians were Spanish" one guy has to wonder if they are being serious or just trying to mock other users.

if fou want a testimony of the age (that i think its the more valuable), you have a quote of the poet portuguese luis de camoes:

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about modern studies about this, i cant give anithing because i am starting to study this, but my teachers, the first thing they do, was advertise about this xd.

I don't think you ever read the lusiads to ever make that statement. I will be kind to point you towards a link:

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He does speak about Spain a lot of times, but he NEVER EVER says that PORTUGAL IS SPAIN. Fact. Tell your teachers to actually go read the book and to stop spreading false information. Also the wikipedia link is a funny one since it is... IN SPANISH. Do you honestly prefer to base yourself on a spanish link instead of reading the one from the country the author was from?


Also, regarding the other conversation about the creation of Spain by Portugal, Afonso V, briefly, used these titles in his letters (1475):
"D. Afonso, per graça de Deus Rei de Castela e de León e de Portugal e de Toledo e de Galiza e de Sevilha e de Córdova e de Murcia e de Jaen e dos Algarves daquém e dalém-mar em África e da Aljazira e de Gibraltar e Senhor de Biscaia e de Molina"
In other words, he never claimed to be King of Spain. He claimed to be King of Portugal and other places but never of Spain. Period.

If you want to go into fantasy, Paradox, go ahead and go into Fantasy and into "Possible Theories", but at least change the coat of arms of Spain if Portugal forms it. Right now it doesn't make sense, even if a Portuguese King ever formed it... Because... Hey... It doesn't even include the Portuguese Coat of Arms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you people from Portugal also find this rather hilarious and even insulting?
 
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Don't you people from Portugal also find this rather hilarious and even insulting?

Insulting? No, but as I said before, I'm not one for nationalisms... Well, frankly it never occurred to me, nor have I ever discussed it with other Portuguese, that Portugal might have formed Spain. But that may be because the association I make with that word is that of the current country of Spain. That said, your reference to Afonso V's titles in correspondence sort of answers the question. A union of kingdoms under the Portuguese king might have been called just about anything, and very unlikely would it be Spain.

Just occurred to me that giving Portugal missions to recapture the castilian provinces that were part of the historic Lusitania might be a winner with my countrymen.

Hello friend, what you write is literally Charles Fletcher Lummis in his book The Spanish Pioneers (1893), what is certain is that the first round the world is the expedition of Magellan under the crown of Castile, which Magellan died in The Philippines and Juan Sebastian Elcano continued in the Nao Victoria bound for Spain through the Indian Ocean, 18 people arrived in Spain and the captain was Juan Sebastian Elcano. Magallanes devised and planned the expedition but did not fulfill the mission when he died halfway, he did discover the passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific and gave the name of Pacific Ocean (we know it by Pigafetta the expedition's chronicler) to be the first in Surf it and discover the Philippines.

That's why Lummins considered that Spanish was the first person to go around the world. But we must admit that the brain of the expedition and the leader was Magellan, he would have died, he would have been the first to go around the world.

The discovery of Brazil I do not know if Lummis considered that Vicente Yañez Pinzón arrived before, they are hypothesis, Cabral is considered the first European that arrived in Brazil.

Lummis wrote in the late nineteenth century, what I think is that both Portuguese and Spanish made the greatest discoveries of history. That yes I think it friend.

Never heard of this Lummis chap, but the contemporary world at large credits Magellan with the first circumnavigation, so his opinion is in a minority at best.
 
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I was actually speaking about the Coat of Arms. A portuguese king would always include the coat of arms of Portugal in any new flag (in the case of a union of Spain under Portuguese Rule). Right now it only includes Spanish Coat of Arms (Castillian, Leon, Aragonese and the last bit which I can't recall but I believe to be related to Sicily).

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Spain
 
I'm really glad that you guys listened to the feedback about Spanish naval ideas. This is one of the reasons I love Paradox. Still, I'd love to see better Portuguese ideas, as, it seems, would a lot of others. About 80% of my games end in Portugal getting exiled to West Africa or whatever, and even during the Age of Discovery, when they should be one of the Great Powers, I never see them expand beyond the northern half of Morocco and little chunks of Brazil and the Caribbean. I really hope some mechanic is added to allow them to punch above their weight, as they should be able to, or barring that, that their national ideas get a serious buff.

Also, I'm not convinced that the galley combat ability will do much to help Morocco as long as Gibraltar is not considered an inland sea zone. And I'd really like to see a couple more missions for the vanilla Maghrebi nations-- maybe more naval or trade stuff, or just a little bit of expansion south.

Anyway, awesome work overall! I'm really looking forward to this expansion. Thanks for being as cool as you are.
 
Reference to some Spanish link on wikipedia. Obviously biased, because the writer (the one that wrote the book you know) never wrote such. I got the book, I gave a link to the book, and he never stated such. Plus the link you gave (the Portuguese version) doesn't say anything about that either, neither does the english version. Why do you have to go right to the Spanish one, which, obviously, was made by Spanish people who want to distort reality to their own ends (just like you, in here).
 
Calm friends, here we are to give ideas to the developers of Paradox for this new DLC, I think that Portuguese and Spanish are providing objective information to improve this great game.

Both Spain and Portugal deserve it and until now Paradox has not paid much attention to us, to make us with this new DLC, to contribute ideas together to improve these two great countries.
 
Reference to some Spanish link on wikipedia. Obviously biased, because the writer (the one that wrote the book you know) never wrote such. I got the book, I gave a link to the book, and he never stated such. Plus the link you gave (the Portuguese version) doesn't say anything about that either, neither does the english version. Why do you have to go right to the Spanish one, which, obviously, was made by Spanish people who want to distort reality to their own ends (just like you, in here).
i not refer to that reference xddddd, you dont read what i put. later in the page.
 
I was actually speaking about the Coat of Arms. A portuguese king would always include the coat of arms of Portugal in any new flag (in the case of a union of Spain under Portuguese Rule). Right now it only includes Spanish Coat of Arms (Castillian, Leon, Aragonese and the last bit which I can't recall but I believe to be related to Sicily).

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Spain
That's right. If Portugal could create its own Spain, it should have the Portuguese coat of arms in it.
 
In the topic I created there is this guy saying that Portugal never won an important war or battle, all battles were won against very primitive enemies...

I know that the overal ignorance about portuguese history is very low, and I admit that it is our fault, like someone said in this post, we dont "sell" our trademark very well... But this... This is too much.


I think you've been confused as a user, I've never criticized Portugal, I've always praised Portugal and its history.

I have never thought nor written that "Portugal never won an important war or battle, all battles were won against very primitive enemies", someone who does not know much history will have written it.