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EU4 - Development Diary - 18th of June 2019

Hello and good morning. Today we will finally unveil our long-anticipated changes to the map and political setup of the Balkans, as well as taking a look at Austria. This will be our final dev diary on map changes for the European update.

As befits the fragmented nature of the Balkans, today’s dev diary will be divided into three parts, each written by a member of the Content Design team who personally worked on each region.

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I’ll begin with my own work on Greece and Bulgaria. You’ll notice that province density has noticeably increased, but rest assured we have taken care to avoid adding a net development boost to the Ottomans. We feel that their current level of development makes them a sufficiently powerful force, and any further advantages would harm the experience for players in their vicinity.

We’ve split the Bulgaria area in two, with most of Bulgaria remaining in “Bulgaria” but with the east in the new Silistria area. Bulgaria in total has gained 3 new provinces: Tolcu, split from Silistre, allows for a more accurate Ottoman-Moldavian border. Tirnovo, once a major cultural, military, and economic center for the Bulgarian Empire, declined under Ottoman rule but remained a thorn in the side of the Turks as it was a hotbed for Bulgarian resistance. Finally, Kyustendil/Kostendil was the center of an Ottoman sanjak and an exploitable mining site.

Thrace and Macedonia have also been updated with new provinces. Edirne has lost its access to the sea to the new province of Gelibolu/Gallipoli, home to a mighty fortress and naval arsenal. Parts of the former Edirne have also been added to the new Gumulcine province. Lastly, Selanik is now confined to the area around the city of Thessaloniki, as Siroz now occupies the outer reaches.

Moving down into Greece proper, a new nation has appeared while another is notable by its absence. Epirus, with its capital in the new province of Arta, is ruled by the Tocco dynasty who for whatever reason were previously represented as the rulers of the Venetian vassal-state of Corfu. Corfu no longer exists in 1444, but it retains its core on the island. Epirus also rules the island of Cephalonia, which has been separated from the Corfu province and gives Epirus the ability to produce wine. Fans of Byzantium will be pleased to hear that they now possess an additional province at the start of the game, based around the historic city of Corinth. And in the Aegean Sea, Lesbos has been split from Scio - Lesbos has a strait connection to Biga while Scio connects to Sugla.

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I'm @Caligula Caesar, and I'm here to tell you about our changes to Austria. Now, some of you may be aware that there is a good case for splitting Austria in three at the start of the game and requiring them to unify their territories. However, as a team we elected NOT to do this. Our reasoning is simple: For an enjoyable and challenging game on continental Europe, it is necessary for there to be a strong Austria. As Austria is already one of the more vulnerable superpowers in the early game, making their starting position significantly weaker by reducing their directly held territories by 2/3 would simply not make a better game experience.

We felt that Austria's starting development was fine as it was, but its province density was not quite at the level we wanted, so we added some new provinces by splitting existing provinces' development. As we have already shown, Tirol was split between Inntal and Etschtal and South Tirol became Trent, now an independent tag; also, some impassable mountains were added between Tirol and Venetia. Moving east, we split Kärnten in two between Oberkärnten/Villach and Unterkärnten/Klagenfurt. In the north, Linz's province (now known as Oberenns) was reshaped significantly and room was made for Traungau (with the significant ironworking town of Steyr as its capital) to the south of it. Wien province, too, has been split, with Wienerwald/Sankt Pölten taking its place to the west.

Finally, in the south, we added the Slovene culture. This culture is present in Görz, Krain and Celje. The last of those is owned by a new tag, the Counts of Cilli - known by their German name as its rulers were the German von Cilli family (the tag itself retains Slovene culture, however, and has some dynamic province names for surrounding areas).

Now on to @Ofaloaf 's work on the Western Balkans:

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This work owes a tremendous amount to @otaats and his suggestions in Serbia & friends, which (in a truncated form) served as an inspiration. I also want to give a shoutout to @Wokeg, whose enthusiasm for the region and its history has been an excellent inspiration and motivation.

Most of the mapwork simply provides greater provincial fidelity, but there are some significant changes and additions. Starting with the smaller stuff, Venetian holdings along the Adriatic coast are better defined, with old Dalmatian province now split between Zara and Spalato and Cattaro now spun off from the province of Zeta. Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game.

One of the most major additions to the region is the inclusion of Herzegovina. It's a relatively new state in 1444, being largely the creation of Stjepan Vukčić, who inherited those lands in 1435. Stjepan was an incredibly ambitious nobleman who took on the title of herceg (borrowed from German herzog) and ruled a portion of the Kingdom of Bosnia as a de facto independent realm called the Duchy of Saint Sava, which is the name its contemporaries knew it as. While Stjepan had the chops for independent rule, his sons weren't quite as canny, and in 1483 the realm was conquered by advancing Ottoman forces. However, Stjepan's title, herceg, lived on in the Ottoman name for the territory, and this eventually became the name Herzegovina, which is what we know the area now as and, for the sake of familiarity, the name which the realm (and its capital province) is called in-game.

You may have also noticed that Croatia is now present on the map. It starts in a union under Hungary, and depending on Hungarian fortunes may now either break away in one fell swoop or be more firmly incorporated into the Crown of St. Stephen. While the inclusion of Croatia does provide some interesting opportunities for Hungarian expansion or wresting parts of the Hungarian domain away from Budapest, the inclusion of Croatia as a separate entity has called for a little historical fudging. Rule of Croatia and Slavonia was split in 1444, although the two entities were ruled by Croatian brothers at the time of the Grand Campaign, and the titles would be merged together into a united Banate in 1476. To prevent Hungarian diplomatic relations from being eaten up by subjects and give it a slightly more powerful vassal to keep in check, Croatia here is unified slightly early.

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Thank you all for reading this and our other map-based dev diaries, it’s been a pleasure to present our work to you and to read your feedback and ideas. Next week we will take a look at some of the new mission trees coming to this region - most likely Austria, one of the Balkan minors, and something you might not expect. We’ll also talk a little about the Hungarian succession. Until then, have a great week!
 
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Austria should get a DHE to unify the three countries to make them matter later. But yeah early game HRE is strong because of its disunity not due to unity.
wouldn't mind that. this is a time period though where you had Habsburgs at one point fighting each other over inheritance and where the disunity of Austria for example allowed Protestantism to grow in Upper Austria, which is basically impossible in the game because Austria is immediately some massive power that can fight on every front and conquer EUrope in 1444.

in reality Austria struggled to fight off Hungary, struggled to assert itself in Bohemia, and had to pay tribute to the Ottoman sultan in the mid-1500s. Austria should be a game of slowly gathering influence and power in Central Europe and then using that to become a power, not just blobbing from day one and going from top power to overpowered.
 
wouldn't mind that. this is a time period though where you had Habsburgs at one point fighting each other over inheritance and where the disunity of Austria for example allowed Protestantism to grow in Upper Austria, which is basically impossible in the game because Austria is immediately some massive power that can fight on every front and conquer EUrope in 1444.

in reality Austria struggled to fight off Hungary, struggled to assert itself in Bohemia, and had to pay tribute to the Ottoman sultan in the mid-1500s. Austria should be a game of slowly gathering influence and power in Central Europe and then using that to become a power, not just blobbing from day one and going from top power to overpowered.

Well thing is in reality Styria was the dominant Austrian duchy. And would go on to inherit Austria Proper in 1457 and Tyrol was forced to be seced to Frederick's 3rd son Maximilian, grandfather of Charles
 
Im not too sure about that Kruje placement, but it´s acceptable considering 90% of everything in Albania is near the coast. Albania having 1 extra province also makes me happy even if it means the trade league strategy is officially dead. I just hope you somehow make it possible for Albania to even afford having a fort in Kruje and not go bankrupt from it existing. Would also like it if Albania had its Hit and Run ideas changed cause 50% cavalry fanlking ability is a placebo at best. I hope the missions are cool atleast
 
Thanks for the hard work.

Hope Montenegro gets a little flavor since it was mostly autonomous during EU4. Durad Brankovic had fled Serbia in 1439 and returned to Smederevo on August 22, 1444, just a few months before the game begins. The Crnojevic noble family used that time to gain autonomy, and worked with the Albanians, Venetians, and Herzegovina. Even when the Ottomans took the Balkans, they were able to be autonomous as a Prince-Bishopric.

Some mistakes:
- Fiume wasn't located there and under Austrian control.
- Villach is not within the province.
- Kirkkilise is within the Edirne province and its designated capital is still Burgas. So, it should be renamed and reshaped to incorporate Sliven/Islimiye.
- Vidin's location is off (town).
- Silistre's town is in the location of Constanta, Silistre was a Danube-town, not a Black Sea-town.
- Filibe should be moved north to that round island of Greece and beneath the Maritsa river.
- Smederevo should be the capital of Serbia.
- Tirhala should be moved; its capital shouldn't be called Larissa and neither should it be at the coast.
- The city of Mystras should be moved.

Austria is a mess in general, would need to take a good look at it to properly place everything. So that will come later this week.

Also, shouldn't Herzegovina's capital, Herceg Novi, be coastal? The Bay of Kotor lies between Kotor and Dubrovnik.


You'll have to release and play as Corfu now.

Since the Tocco family still exists, could there also be an option to start as Epirus with some extra conditions. Or maybe a separate achievement for Epirus would be better.


I look forward to seeing what's in store next week.
 
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Well thing is in reality Styria was the dominant Austrian duchy. And would go on to inherit Austria Proper in 1457 and Tyrol was forced to be seced to Frederick's 3rd son Maximilian, grandfather of Charles
well yeah, there wasn't really an "Austria" to speak of. I'm not really sure why the hypothetical scenario everyone has is Upper Austria with Styria and Tirol as vassals but I think it just further illustrates that a lot of people aren't familiar with the historical situation. That's fine, but EU4 really is perpetuating historical ignorance with this setup, and their reasoning behind doing so is inadequate (at least, I think it is)
 
well yeah, there wasn't really an "Austria" to speak of. I'm not really sure why the hypothetical scenario everyone has is Upper Austria with Styria and Tirol as vassals but I think it just further illustrates that a lot of people aren't familiar with the historical situation. That's fine, but EU4 really is perpetuating historical ignorance with this setup, and their reasoning behind doing so is inadequate (at least, I think it is)
I think the issue is that all three were known as Dukes of Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismund,_Archduke_of_Austria - Duke of Further Austria or known as Tirol at times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladislaus_the_Posthumous - Duke of Upper and Lower Austria, the original homeland of the Dukes of Austria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Holy_Roman_Emperor - Duke of Inner Austria or known as Duke of Styria, Carinthia and Carniola
 
I think the issue is that all three were known as Dukes of Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismund,_Archduke_of_Austria - Duke of Further Austria or known as Tirol at times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladislaus_the_Posthumous - Duke of Upper and Lower Austria, the original homeland of the Dukes of Austria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Holy_Roman_Emperor - Duke of Inner Austria or known as Duke of Styria, Carinthia and Carniola

And if I'm not mistaken in current EU4, the whole Frederick III, Ladislaus Posthumous, and Maximilian I situation isn't exactly depicted in the 1444 start
 
I think the issue is that all three were known as Dukes of Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismund,_Archduke_of_Austria - Duke of Further Austria or known as Tirol at times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladislaus_the_Posthumous - Duke of Upper and Lower Austria, the original homeland of the Dukes of Austria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Holy_Roman_Emperor - Duke of Inner Austria or known as Duke of Styria, Carinthia and Carniola
Just check my thread on the matter.

@mathuser correct, Herceg Novi isn't located there, but in a bay at the coast. Travuna may have been chosen as capital, though. Zabljak (capital of Montenegro) is also in the wrong position (not to be confused with modern Zabljak).
 
I would like to ask why the island of Lesbos is under the rule of Genoa?

Lesbos should be a country ruled by Dorino I Gattilusio. Which should be a vassal of Byzantium

Country:Lesbos
Lord .Dorino I Gattilusio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorino_I_Gattilusio
Religion:Catholicism
Culture: Ligurian
Vassal of Byzantium ;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattilusi
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source of information about the flag:http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/House_of_Gattilusio
You could also separate from Lesbos the rest of the islands and make a separate province of Lemnos.
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And if I'm not mistaken in current EU4, the whole Frederick III, Ladislaus Posthumous, and Maximilian I situation isn't exactly depicted in the 1444 start
No, it isn't. This is one of the richest periods in Austrian history, with inter-family fighting and dynastic conflicts and a struggle to unify Austria, but it's not at all present in the game, which is part of why it's so disappointing that they won't change it. Maybe I have some tunnel-vision on central europe since it's a focus for me academically but it's tough to see Austria unified like it is and with so little character, because it inevitably colors people's perception of this time period yet is so inaccurate.