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EU4 - Development Diary - 18th of June 2019

Hello and good morning. Today we will finally unveil our long-anticipated changes to the map and political setup of the Balkans, as well as taking a look at Austria. This will be our final dev diary on map changes for the European update.

As befits the fragmented nature of the Balkans, today’s dev diary will be divided into three parts, each written by a member of the Content Design team who personally worked on each region.

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I’ll begin with my own work on Greece and Bulgaria. You’ll notice that province density has noticeably increased, but rest assured we have taken care to avoid adding a net development boost to the Ottomans. We feel that their current level of development makes them a sufficiently powerful force, and any further advantages would harm the experience for players in their vicinity.

We’ve split the Bulgaria area in two, with most of Bulgaria remaining in “Bulgaria” but with the east in the new Silistria area. Bulgaria in total has gained 3 new provinces: Tolcu, split from Silistre, allows for a more accurate Ottoman-Moldavian border. Tirnovo, once a major cultural, military, and economic center for the Bulgarian Empire, declined under Ottoman rule but remained a thorn in the side of the Turks as it was a hotbed for Bulgarian resistance. Finally, Kyustendil/Kostendil was the center of an Ottoman sanjak and an exploitable mining site.

Thrace and Macedonia have also been updated with new provinces. Edirne has lost its access to the sea to the new province of Gelibolu/Gallipoli, home to a mighty fortress and naval arsenal. Parts of the former Edirne have also been added to the new Gumulcine province. Lastly, Selanik is now confined to the area around the city of Thessaloniki, as Siroz now occupies the outer reaches.

Moving down into Greece proper, a new nation has appeared while another is notable by its absence. Epirus, with its capital in the new province of Arta, is ruled by the Tocco dynasty who for whatever reason were previously represented as the rulers of the Venetian vassal-state of Corfu. Corfu no longer exists in 1444, but it retains its core on the island. Epirus also rules the island of Cephalonia, which has been separated from the Corfu province and gives Epirus the ability to produce wine. Fans of Byzantium will be pleased to hear that they now possess an additional province at the start of the game, based around the historic city of Corinth. And in the Aegean Sea, Lesbos has been split from Scio - Lesbos has a strait connection to Biga while Scio connects to Sugla.

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I'm @Caligula Caesar, and I'm here to tell you about our changes to Austria. Now, some of you may be aware that there is a good case for splitting Austria in three at the start of the game and requiring them to unify their territories. However, as a team we elected NOT to do this. Our reasoning is simple: For an enjoyable and challenging game on continental Europe, it is necessary for there to be a strong Austria. As Austria is already one of the more vulnerable superpowers in the early game, making their starting position significantly weaker by reducing their directly held territories by 2/3 would simply not make a better game experience.

We felt that Austria's starting development was fine as it was, but its province density was not quite at the level we wanted, so we added some new provinces by splitting existing provinces' development. As we have already shown, Tirol was split between Inntal and Etschtal and South Tirol became Trent, now an independent tag; also, some impassable mountains were added between Tirol and Venetia. Moving east, we split Kärnten in two between Oberkärnten/Villach and Unterkärnten/Klagenfurt. In the north, Linz's province (now known as Oberenns) was reshaped significantly and room was made for Traungau (with the significant ironworking town of Steyr as its capital) to the south of it. Wien province, too, has been split, with Wienerwald/Sankt Pölten taking its place to the west.

Finally, in the south, we added the Slovene culture. This culture is present in Görz, Krain and Celje. The last of those is owned by a new tag, the Counts of Cilli - known by their German name as its rulers were the German von Cilli family (the tag itself retains Slovene culture, however, and has some dynamic province names for surrounding areas).

Now on to @Ofaloaf 's work on the Western Balkans:

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This work owes a tremendous amount to @otaats and his suggestions in Serbia & friends, which (in a truncated form) served as an inspiration. I also want to give a shoutout to @Wokeg, whose enthusiasm for the region and its history has been an excellent inspiration and motivation.

Most of the mapwork simply provides greater provincial fidelity, but there are some significant changes and additions. Starting with the smaller stuff, Venetian holdings along the Adriatic coast are better defined, with old Dalmatian province now split between Zara and Spalato and Cattaro now spun off from the province of Zeta. Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game.

One of the most major additions to the region is the inclusion of Herzegovina. It's a relatively new state in 1444, being largely the creation of Stjepan Vukčić, who inherited those lands in 1435. Stjepan was an incredibly ambitious nobleman who took on the title of herceg (borrowed from German herzog) and ruled a portion of the Kingdom of Bosnia as a de facto independent realm called the Duchy of Saint Sava, which is the name its contemporaries knew it as. While Stjepan had the chops for independent rule, his sons weren't quite as canny, and in 1483 the realm was conquered by advancing Ottoman forces. However, Stjepan's title, herceg, lived on in the Ottoman name for the territory, and this eventually became the name Herzegovina, which is what we know the area now as and, for the sake of familiarity, the name which the realm (and its capital province) is called in-game.

You may have also noticed that Croatia is now present on the map. It starts in a union under Hungary, and depending on Hungarian fortunes may now either break away in one fell swoop or be more firmly incorporated into the Crown of St. Stephen. While the inclusion of Croatia does provide some interesting opportunities for Hungarian expansion or wresting parts of the Hungarian domain away from Budapest, the inclusion of Croatia as a separate entity has called for a little historical fudging. Rule of Croatia and Slavonia was split in 1444, although the two entities were ruled by Croatian brothers at the time of the Grand Campaign, and the titles would be merged together into a united Banate in 1476. To prevent Hungarian diplomatic relations from being eaten up by subjects and give it a slightly more powerful vassal to keep in check, Croatia here is unified slightly early.

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Thank you all for reading this and our other map-based dev diaries, it’s been a pleasure to present our work to you and to read your feedback and ideas. Next week we will take a look at some of the new mission trees coming to this region - most likely Austria, one of the Balkan minors, and something you might not expect. We’ll also talk a little about the Hungarian succession. Until then, have a great week!
 
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I'd like to make a suggestion regarding Montenegro and Albania:

Both of these countries revolved around clan/tribal societies, so I was thinking, a clan/tribal mechanic similar to the Cossacks mechanic would be nice and immersive, perhaps it could raise troops whilst costing a bit of clan loyalty but no ducats needed, something like that, sort of like their own estate, maybe even a unique government. Would be cool for this clan estate to also help with manpower recovery, especially since these two countries are small, I think it would be quite fun, this is just a rough idea, I'd love to see what everyone else thinks about this! :))

The attached file is a map of the medieval clans in Montenegro, with a brief description regarding how they functioned. Thanks for taking your time to consider these suggestions!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ccna3s/tribes_of_montenegro_oc/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Montenegro

Not really medieval, but relevant for 17th century onward.
 
Hi guys. Just to remind you that the province of Kruja is Krujë in Albanian, not Krüje . The ü doesn't exist in Albanian language.

I didn't read the entire thread here, maybe someone pointed this out.
 
Hi guys. Just to remind you that the province of Kruja is Krujë in Albanian, not Krüje . The ü doesn't exist in Albanian language.

I didn't read the entire thread here, maybe someone pointed this out.

Nobody in PDS made that mistake. Map clearly shows Krujë.
 
Nobody in PDS made that mistake. Map clearly shows Krujë.

Didn't zoom in the map, just saw this :
"Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game."

And it's still wrong.
 
Didn't zoom in the map, just saw this :
"Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game."

And it's still wrong.

The devs make mistakes in spelling all the time, however this one isn't in game but only in the dev diary description and as such shouldn't be a problem.
 
How can it be that of all the map updates, this still hasn't come to pass several months since the dev diary? :(
 
The dev diaries are about the next major patch release, which hasn't happened...
Unless I'm mistaken, this DD was from back in July, and thus slated to come with the Manchu patch, yes?
 
Unless I'm mistaken, this DD was from back in July, and thus slated to come with the Manchu patch, yes?

From the dev diary post at the start of the thread:


This will be our final dev diary on map changes for the European update.

So, no these changes are for the European update not the Manchu patch.
 
Will you add Bosnian as a culture,because of the new provinces in the western Balkans regions 6 provinces could have Bosnian culture and you can add an event for the ottomans in the early 16 century where bosnian and albanian provinces switch to sunni which would represent the phenomen where bosnians and albanian mass converted to islam in the 16 century.This would make the ottomans strong since they never convert provinces in the balkans.
 
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The bosnian ideas in eu4 represent why there should be a bosnian culture,currently the region of bosnia in eu4 is split between serbian and croatian culture which doesnt make sense
You're right, it doesn't make sense.
They should all be the same culture.
 
You're right, it doesn't make sense.
They should all be the same culture.
Culture doesnt mean nationality or ethnicity,that why theres a highlander culture in the game,check bosnian ideas they are all focused on religious unity and tolerence modifires,thats why bosnian culture was unique it was a safe heavon for jews,paterans,bogumils,etc
 
Would it not be more logical, given the historical facts (and gameplay purposes) to add Trieste/Trst as Slovene? Before fascist Italy (20th century) went around expelling and quelling the slovene population there, there weren’t really all that many Italians and the languages spoken were mainly german/italian for the rich and Slovene for literally everyone else. Add to this Austria’s (the nation controlling the land) favoritism towards the Slovenes in the area, due to it being a smaller culture/language than Italian, which meant a smaller success chance of a potential revolt. This was especially prominent, due to Austria considering Trst it’s main port.

For gameplay purposes - Why would you even have it as Italian? AI Venice is unlikely to take out AI Austria and this just adds a province with a different culture to starting Austrian lands for no good reason. There is no real historical reasoning behind it and the Slovene culture alone being added should be enough of a blow to Austria (Player or AI), as it most certainly will not be accepted.

Alternatively you could make a case for the Slovene culture to be present in Klagenfurt (with a much better reasoning than Trst being Italian, which only happened in the 20th century), due to the plebiscite there in 1920 being only about 60-40 in favor of Austria and even then we could easily make the claim that many Slovenes there were afraid of Serbia (rightfully so) and rather stayed with the nation that they had been under for a thousand years. The germanization of the area around Klagenfurt became extremely prominent after the protestant reformation, which is when many Slovene nobles and rich folk had to leave Austrian lands in order to survive.

There is very little data to go on the exact figures of the nationality percentages in both regions, however we do know that in Trieste area in 1918 the Slovenes still likely held a majority of the population. Almost 100 years after the end of EUIV. Klagenfurt (city) was mainly Austrian after the late medieval colonization, but the area around it was far from it.

So please, as a Slovenian - please give us a coastal province and respect, at this time, our rightful lands which are only Italian today because of fascism, imperialism and allied (Yugoslavia, USSR, UK, US) incompetence.
 
There is very little data to go on the exact figures of the nationality percentages in both regions, however we do know that in Trieste area in 1918 the Slovenes still likely held a majority of the population. Almost 100 years after the end of EUIV. Klagenfurt (city) was mainly Austrian after the late medieval colonization, but the area around it was far from it.

So please, as a Slovenian - please give us a coastal province and respect, at this time, our rightful lands which are only Italian today because of fascism, imperialism and allied (Yugoslavia, USSR, UK, US) incompetence.
From the wikipedia page of trieste:
The particular Friulian dialect, called Tergestino, spoken until the beginning of the 19th century, was gradually overcome by the Triestine dialect of Venetian (a language deriving directly from Vulgar Latin) and other languages, including standard Italian, Slovene, and German. While Triestine and Italian were spoken by the largest part of the population, German was the language of the Austrian bureaucracy and Slovene was predominantly spoken in the surrounding villages. From the last decades of the 19th century, the number of speakers of Slovene grew steadily, reaching 25% of the overall population of Trieste municipality in 1911 (30% of the Austro-Hungarian citizens in Trieste).[49]

According to the 1911 census, the proportion of Slovene speakers amounted to 12.6% in the city centre (15.9% counting only Austrian citizens), 47.6% in the suburbs (53% counting only Austrian citizens), and 90.5% in the surroundings.[50] They were the largest ethnic group in 9 of the 19 urban neighbourhoods of Trieste, and represented a majority in 7 of them.[50] The Italian speakers, on the other hand, made up 60.1% of the population in the city center, 38.1% in the suburbs, and 6.0% in the surroundings. They were the largest linguistic group in 10 of the 19 urban neighbourhoods, and represented the majority in 7 of them (including all 6 in the city centre). Of the 11 villages included within the city limits, the Slovene speakers had an overwhelming majority in 10, and the German speakers in one (Miramare). German speakers amounted to 5% of the city's population, with the highest proportions in the city centre. A small proportion of Trieste's population spoke Serbian (about 1.3% in 1911), and the city also had several other smaller ethnic communities, including Czechs, Istro-Romanians, Serbs, and Greeks, who mostly assimilated either into the Italian or the Slovene-speaking communities. Altogether, in 1911 51,83 % of the population of the municipality of Trieste spoke Italian, 24,79 % spoke Slovene, 5,2 % spoke German, 1 % spoke Croatian, 0,3 % spoke "other languages", and 16,8 % were foreigners, including a further 12,9 % Italians (immigrants from the Kingdom of Italy and thus considered separately from Triestine Italians) and 1,6 % Hungarians.[51]

By 1971, following the emigration of Slovenes to neighbouring Slovenia and the immigration of Italians from other regions (and from Yugoslav-annexed Istria) to Trieste, the percentage of Italian speakers had rose to 91,8 %, and that of Slovenian speakers had dwindled to 5.7 %.[52]

and from History of Trieste (another wikipedia page)
Ethnic and linguistic groups in the Habsburg age
In the Middle Ages and up to the early 19th century inhabitants of Trieste spoke Tergestina, a Rhaeto-Romance dialect, although the primary language used for all official purposes and in culture was Latin throughout the Middle Ages. At end of the medieval period (14th and 15th centuries) usage of Italian language started to spread (although spoken as mother tongue, by a small minority of people in Trieste), and later still, in the latter part of the 18th century, German became more widely used - though it was confined to the purely administrative sphere.

After the establishment of the free port and the beginning of the great migration that began in the 18th century, demographic changes intensified further in the next century (with a clear predominance of the Venetians, Dalmatians, Istrians, Friuli and Slovenes), and Tergestina gradually lost ground to Venetian language. If the first is imposed primarily as a written language and culture, the second spread, between the last decades of the 18th and early 19th century as a real lingua franca in Trieste. Among linguistic minorities acquired considerable weight in the city in the second half of the 19th century, the Slovenian (present in Carso since medieval times), that on the eve of World War represented about a fourth of the total population of the Municipality.

Thanks to its privileged status of only commercial port of some importance in Austria, Trieste continued always to maintain the centuries close cultural and linguistic ties with Italy. In fact, despite the official language of the bureaucracy, which was German, Italian, already a language of culture since the late medieval era, was imposed in the last period of the Habsburg sovereignty in all formal contexts, including business (both on the stock market and in private transactions), education (in 1861 an Italian school was opened by the City, joined to the existing Austro-German school), written notice (the vast majority of publications and papers were drawn up in Italian), finding its own space even in the municipal council (the political class in Trieste was mostly Italian-speaking).

According to the contested Austrian census of 1910, out of a total of 229,510 inhabitants of the city of Trieste (also including a number of locations in the center and surrounding plateau) occurred as a result of the revision, the following distribution on the base of the tongue of use:

  • 118,959 (51.8%) spoke Italian
  • 56,916 (24.8%) spoke Slovenian
  • 11,856 (5.2%) spoke German
  • 2,403 (1.0%) spoke Serbo-Croatian
  • 779 (0.3%) spoke other languages
  • 38,597 (16.8%) were foreign nationals who had not been asked for the language of use, including:
  • 29,639 (12.9%) were Italian citizens
  • 3,773 (1.6%) were Hungarian citizens.
Of the total population surveyed, well 98,872 inhabitants (43%) were not born in the municipality of Trieste but in other territories placed under Austrian sovereignty (71,940 registered inhabitants, i.e. 31.3%) or abroad (26,842 registered inhabitants, 11.7%). Among the latter the most part was born in the Kingdom of Italy (the "subjects of the Kingdom") and, among the first, the most numerous colonies came from Gorizia and Gradisca (22,192 registered inhabitants), from Istria (20,285 inhabitants surveyed), Carniola (11,423 registered inhabitants) and Dalmatia (5,110 registered inhabitants).

istrian peninsula census before acquiring the peninsula in rapallo treaty, fascism era, and before the foibe massacres by the yugoslavian marshal tito
 
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