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EU4 - Development Diary - 1st of August 2017

Hello everyone!

I am Trin Tragula and this is the first of the post-vacation Europa Universalis Developer Diaries. As I type this most of the team has begun coming back from vacation (though I am still enjoying the mild climate of southern Sweden for another week) and continued work has begun on the 1.23 patch.

So what have we been up to before and during the summer?

Well, we have for a long time felt that the Near East could do with a bit of a facelift.

In Art of War we gave Arabia and Egypt a much needed overhaul, increasing the number of provinces and expanding the number of countries. As you might remember, if you followed the developed diaries of Art of War, this is something we had great help with from the map modder @CanOmer .

1.8 was a long time ago however, and the general level of detail in many regions have changed since then. Over time we have come to feel that the setup could be much more detailed than we wanted back then and that some of the decisions we had taken in terms of how to portray things could be revisited.

Today I will be talking about what was going on in Arabia and Egypt in 1444 and how patch 1.23 will cover this differently from previous versions.


Yemen:
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In 1444 Yemen is still ruled by the Rasulid dynasty from Taiz, but the Rasulid rule has been growing weaker. The populous Upper Yemen is under the control of the Shiite Rassid Imams from their capital in Sana’a and to many they would be a more fitting leader for a united Yemen. The Rassids are however in the middle of a civil war of their own, with many different relatives vying for the leadership of the Imamate.
In south-eastern Yemen the Tahirid dynasty has achieved independence, in all but name, from the Rasulids. As they expand their rule towards the coast they seem very likely to soon overthrow their old overlords. Like the Rasulids they are Sunni however, and lack support from the Shia in the mountains.

Compared to the rest of Arabia, Yemen is actually somewhat densely populated and was, in the 15th century, also the source of most of the world's exported coffee. While Coffee is grown throughout Yemen and the Horn of Africa the port of Mocha in southern Yemen is by far the most important port for the export of the roasted beans. This was to become one of the main sources of income for the Yemeni rulers, as well as other powers that came to control the region.

In patch 1.23 Mocha will have a goods produced modifier for Coffee to signify the great importance of this port in the history of the Coffee trade. Yemeni coffee merchants will have to be careful however, as the modifier may be lost if someone manages to export their secret plants to other parts of the world.

To the east the development of the Yemeni struggles are watched with interest by the independent Kathiri dynasty of Hadhramaut and the maritime Sultanate of Mahra. In the north the Sharifates of the Hejaz and Asir as well the Shiite Emirate of Najran bide their time while the Yemenis fight pretenders and eachother.


New Playable Countries in 1444:
  • Aden: In 1444 this tag represents the Tahirids. It starts as independent.
  • Rassids: This is tag represents the Shia Rassid Imams of the Yemen upland.
  • Hadramut: The Kathiri dynasty rules the sparsely populated desert coast to the east of Yemen.
  • Mahra: The Mahra sultanate rules the southern coastline of Arabia as well as the island of Socotra.
  • Mikhlaf: Shiite Sharifate in the Asir mountains and the adjoining coast.
  • Najran: A small Shiite tribal state in the region just north of the Yemen Highlands.

Yemen can now be formed by a country controlling the important provinces of Yemen (to do this in 1444 you will have to destroy the Rasulid Sultanate).


The Hejaz & Central Arabia:
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In 1444 the Hejaz was not a united region. The Sharifate of Mecca, ruled by the Hawashim family, is the strongest state but by no means entirely dominant. Their main contenders are the Husaynid Sharifs, who rule the holy city of Medina.
To the north and across the Red Sea the Mamluk Sultanate is a constant factor in Hejazi politics, and claim to be the protector of both of the Sharifates, often intervening in their conflicts against each other as well as in the appointment of new Sharifs. Historically the Mamluks under Qa'itbay would eventually appoint the Sharif of Mecca as the viceroy of Hejaz, uniting the states by military force.

While know far less of what was going on in detail in 1444 specifically for the inner parts of the peninsula we have taken the opportunity to break up the land into more provinces, making sure that they match the caravan routes used throughout the era. Rather than divide the country in a number of easily conquered one province countries we have decided to keep it under fewer and bigger conglomerate tags.
Najd, with its capital in Diriyah (the future core of the Saudi state), and Shammar, with its capital in Ha’il, remains in control of a wider area in which they represent a number of minor tribes. In the south Dawasir controls a number of the inland oasis and caravan routes.

New Playable Countries in 1444:
  • Medina, representing the Husaynid Sharifs of Medina.
  • Dawasir, representing the Dawasir as well as other tribes controlling the southern routes between Yemen and the eastern coastline.


Oman & Bahrain - Eastern Arabia
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In 1444 the Omani interior was ruled by the Ibadi Imamate (sometimes called Sultanate) of Oman while the coastal cities of Oman and the Pirate Coast are under the overlordship of the kingdom of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf. This would eventually make the Sultanate a very tempting target for the Portuguese when they arrived in the region, who would choose to attack Hormuz directly to take control over its network of coastal cities.

Further east the Jabrids of Haasa have conquered the coastline, and most importantly the rich pearl fishing ports of Qatar and Awal.

New Playable countries in 1444:
  • Jas - The tribe that would eventually found Dubai exists in 1444, controlling the inland Liwa oasis.

Egypt & Northern Arabia
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Throughout the history of the Islamic world, and the history of the Mediterranean itself, Egypt has remained one of the most important regions to control. Egypt was a major entrepôt for cloth, cotton and spices but it was also the greatest exporter of grain and rice in the region and many great cities depended on the harvests of the Nile Delta.
The great dependency on the Nile in an otherwise arid and inhospitable land also means that Egypt has many interesting geographic features.

Both of these are things we felt the game did not properly model so we have taken this opportunity to redraw and re-imagine Egypt in patch 1.23:

More provinces have been added along the Nile and in the Nile Delta and wastelands have been added to limit access between the Red Sea Coastline and the Nile, as well as between the Mediterranean coast and the Nile (you can probably spot the Qattara depression in the screenshot above now).

In order to better show the great importance of the Egyptian grain trade we have added special goods produced modifiers for grain in the provinces of the Delta.
We have also added in more Arab federations in the Syrian Interior and northern Arabia.

New playable countries:
  • Anizah: A tribal federation controlling the inner caravan route between the Hejaz and Syria.
  • Fadl: A tribal federation and a Mamluk vassal with its capital in Palmyra/Tadmor.

That was all for the map and historical setup changes of Arabia and Egypt!

It is our hope that these changes will make the region come alive more and in general be more interesting to play in, with a greater diversity of playable states and a more accurate setup in general.

Next week I will be back to talk a bit about Anatolia and the Caucasus... :)
 
They come a little later as I'm still on vacation :)
Expect it around one o clock!

Oy, working vacation?

No need for that, lay back, post it tomorrow, I am sure the board will be fine if a dev diary doesn't get uploaded. What's the worst that could happen? :D
 
Oy, working vacation?

No need for that, lay back, post it tomorrow, I am sure the board will be fine if a dev diary doesn't get uploaded. What's the worst that could happen? :D

Paradox' continuous scheming and plotting has infuriated the forumites and made Paradox some powerful enemies among the playerbase. It won't take long before the whispers and rumors of plots to end the misrule will turn into reality and our forum will be plunged into a drawn-out power struggle.
- Civil War disaster starts
 
Oy, working vacation?

No need for that, lay back, post it tomorrow, I am sure the board will be fine if a dev diary doesn't get uploaded. What's the worst that could happen? :D

Surely, nothing bad would come of that.

Some minor rioting, at most. And the bother of cleaning up the pitchforks afterwards.
 
The thing with Poland/Lithuania/PLC is that there is no implosion mechanic. Their lategame should be horrible.

Considering that I feel like they're in a fine place right now, especially since they got a nice little buff with the introduction of age mechanics.
 
Yep they should get implosion mechanic too(Monarchy event sucks) , maybe some "sarmatism points" making PLC very strong for first half of the game, but lowering it later on and creating strong cossacs disasters in 17th Century or maybe lowering PLC a lot if not complete some tasks. PLC was easy to devastate as they were they were surrounded by superpowers and not defended by regions or fortresses which they despised (and it can be for the rest of the game by Deluge that was one of events contributing to later status ). (that's just an example, there were a lot of good ideas in suggestions threads, i know there are more important things to add, but new content added in last dlc seems unjustly for PLC)

They can be as they are but they are rekt early by Russia, otherwise they blob late game. And cossacks mechanic added in last dlc looks bad in the historical terms of PLC.(and that's my main point, i don't demand buff really, it's even better in term of gameplay to have that strong cavalry, maybe missing some new things like flank ability, but it's biting me anyway)
What do u think ?
 
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A few things of note about you Arabia changes.

1. The Tahirids conquered Aden in 1454, before which it was ruled from Taiz.
2. The Tahirids only gained independence (De Jure) after their conquest of Aden, from the Rasulids late 1454 - therefore they should be either a vassal of the Rasulids
3. Medina and Asir were not independent Sharifates, and were under the rule of the Sharifs of Mecca, with help from Cairo (until 1517) and Ottomans afterwards. It should be a Tributary of those nations. I would say Tributary over vassal so they do not get annexed, and historically, the Sharif did extend his borders.
4. I cannot find anything on a Tribe of Najran, only that the town had a majority Jewish population, which I hope is represented in-game.
5. I am sure you are aware the Najd and Shammar were not dominant until the 18th century, but their are a few other tribes that would fit in, bordering Haasa, along side a smaller Najd and Shammar state.
6. I believe that Azd or Hashid would be a better fit for Dawasir, which was a confederation of them two (and more) founded in the 18th century.
7. From what I can see, Hormuz had control over the ports of in the north of Oman, but Suhar southwars was not.
8. Qatar was under Hormuz in 1444
9. I'm assume 'Jas' is the Bani Yas Confederation, which didn't exist till a while later.

Anyway, nice to see some work being done, though looking forward to the Caucuses!

P.S. I am posting this on both forum and Steam.
 
A few things of note about you Arabia changes.
2. The Tahirids only gained independence (De Jure) after their conquest of Aden, from the Rasulids late 1454 - therefore they should be either a vassal of the Rasulids
3. Medina and Asir were not independent Sharifates, and were under the rule of the Sharifs of Mecca, with help from Cairo (until 1517) and Ottomans afterwards. It should be a Tributary of those nations. I would say Tributary over vassal so they do not get annexed, and historically, the Sharif did extend his borders.

I think you should look at their de facto status at that time rather than their de jure status. I don't know what the situation is in this area, but it's important to question whether, for example, the Tahirids were actual vassals, or vassals in name only. If they were not limited by their vassalage, they should be depicted as independent.

I get the impression from what Trin Tragula wrote that Medina & Asir are vassals more in name than in anything else.
 
I think you should look at their de facto status at that time rather than their de jure status. I don't know what the situation is in this area, but it's important to question whether, for example, the Tahirids were actual vassals, or vassals in name only. If they were not limited by their vassalage, they should be depicted as independent.

I get the impression from what Trin Tragula wrote that Medina & Asir are vassals more in name than in anything else.

For the Tahirids, I see that they were definitely a vassal over independent as they helped out their overlords in suppressing rebellions when called upon.
For Medina and Asir, I could see nothing to do with their independence of anytype. I couldn't even find the title Sharif of Asir/Sharif of Medina, but I did find that the 1444 Sultan of Yemen (Rasulids) held the city of Asir and that the 1444 Sharif of Mecca had control of the City of Medina, hence what I wrote.
 
A few things of note about you Arabia changes.

1. The Tahirids conquered Aden in 1454, before which it was ruled from Taiz.
2. The Tahirids only gained independence (De Jure) after their conquest of Aden, from the Rasulids late 1454 - therefore they should be either a vassal of the Rasulids
3. Medina and Asir were not independent Sharifates, and were under the rule of the Sharifs of Mecca, with help from Cairo (until 1517) and Ottomans afterwards. It should be a Tributary of those nations. I would say Tributary over vassal so they do not get annexed, and historically, the Sharif did extend his borders.
4. I cannot find anything on a Tribe of Najran, only that the town had a majority Jewish population, which I hope is represented in-game.
5. I am sure you are aware the Najd and Shammar were not dominant until the 18th century, but their are a few other tribes that would fit in, bordering Haasa, along side a smaller Najd and Shammar state.
6. I believe that Azd or Hashid would be a better fit for Dawasir, which was a confederation of them two (and more) founded in the 18th century.
7. From what I can see, Hormuz had control over the ports of in the north of Oman, but Suhar southwars was not.
8. Qatar was under Hormuz in 1444
9. I'm assume 'Jas' is the Bani Yas Confederation, which didn't exist till a while later.

Anyway, nice to see some work being done, though looking forward to the Caucuses!

P.S. I am posting this on both forum and Steam.

Glad to see comments, if you wish you can use the suggestions forum to provide more information or expand on them :)
We frequently take input posted there.

1. The Tahirids definitely did conquer Aden after our start date. They still controlled most of the Aden province in 1444 though so the province should by all rights be theirs by our reckoning. Splitting the province just for the benefit of the 1444 setup did not seem feasible. The level of detail is increased sufficiently as is for our needs now :)
2. Yes this is mentioned in the diary. They were nominally under Rasulid control but powerful enough to be able to ignore their requests or not as they please. For our purposes they start independent as it is closer to the real life situation in 1444 as far as we can tell.
3. The internet is a great source of information for many things but for some more specific areas it can be less so. Wikipedia and most online sites will say the Hejaz was unified under Mecca but this wasn't so until the 1470s (and in fact they were often at war). The Mamluk sultanate did meddle in the internal affairs of both Mecca and Medina. Here's a text that _is_ available online about the Sharifates: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1595853 It is on Jstor though.
4. Najran is there to cover the Banu Yam who were in place since at least the 13th century. Their claim to fame is of course mostly that they later on became the basis for the Suleymanid Ismaili Makramides.
5. I believe this is covered in the diary. Najd is not a name for a tribe but a geographic/regional name. It is used to cover a number of states that existed in the area as they would otherwise be far too weak.
6. The Dawasir are documented to have waged war against the Jabrids near our start date so they were certainly around.
7. The Encyclopedia of Islam disagrees, if you have better sources I'd love to see them :)
8. Not as far as I've found but if you have references for this I'd love to see them too :)
9. As far as I could find out there's no documentation before the 16th century but at that point the oasis was supposed to be in their hands. We cannot really know before that (again unless you have information that say something else, in which case I'd love to have a look).

EDIT: To refer to the right article.
 
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This looks really great. I especially like how the coast of Egypt looks squeezed close to the coast. I had a thought that the middle of Sinai should be wasteland, which would cut off Jerusalem and make it so you couldn't move directly between the north and south of the peninsula between Gaza and Sina. This might not affect gameplay much but it would reflect the geography better.
 
Alright, I see that Paradox are getting more and more inspired by what is said in the suggestion forum. I'm actually a little worried. While I understand that some region lack depth and accuracy, don't forget that you are upsetting the balance of powers quite a lot especially when adding a lot of provinces. More provinces means more buidings.

Furthermore, I know that they are quite a lot of thread begging for an attention on the Caucasus posted by nationalistics zealots saying that Georgia deserves Prussian Tier-Ideas. Please, don't give in to these ridiculous demands.

Let's all keep in mind that the only accomplisment of the Caucasian was to get invaded.

'Let's all keep in mind that the only accomplisment of the Caucasian was to get invaded' depends on the time period.
 
Glad to see comments, if you wish you can use the suggestions forum to provide more information or expand on them :)
We frequently take input posted there.

1. The Tahirids definitely did conquer Aden after our start date. They still controlled most of the Aden province in 1444 though so the province should by all rights be theirs by our reckoning. Splitting the province just for the benefit of the 1444 setup did not seem feasible. The level of detail is increased sufficiently as is for our needs now :)
2. Yes this is mentioned in the diary. They were nominally under Rasulid control but powerful enough to be able to ignore their requests or not as they please. For our purposes they start independent as it is closer to the real life situation in 1444 as far as we can tell.
3. The internet is a great source of information for many things but for some more specific areas it can be less so. Wikipedia and most online sites will say the Hejaz was unified under Mecca but this wasn't so until the 1470s (and in fact they were often at war). The Mamluk sultanate did meddle in the internal affairs of both Mecca and Medina. Here's a text that _is_ available online about the Sharifates: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1595853 It is on Jstor though.
4. Najran is there to cover the Banu Yam who were in place since at least the 13th century. Their claim to fame is of course mostly that they later on became the basis for the Suleymanid Ismaili Makramides.
5. I believe this is covered in the diary. Najd is not a name for a tribe but a geographic/regional name. It is used to cover a number of states that existed in the area as they would otherwise be far too weak.
6. The Dawasir are documented to have waged war against the Jabrids near our start date so they were certainly around.
7. The Encyclopedia of Islam disagrees, if you have better sources I'd love to see them :)
8. Not as far as I've found but if you have references for this I'd love to see them too :)
9. As far as I could find out there's no documentation before the 16th century but at that point the oasis was supposed to be in their hands. We cannot really know before that (again unless you have information that say something else, in which case I'd love to have a look).

EDIT: To refer to the right article.

Separate kartli and kakheti into different kingdoms.
 
can you add the opinion of defensive ally? im tired of being called to arms by my ottoman ally declaring war on austria who is allied with my ally russia