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EU4 - Development Diary - 29th of May 2018

Good day all and welcome to today's Dev Diary on the upcoming expansion Dharma and its accompanying 1.26 Mughals Update. Last week we talked about the changes to Estates and made vague promises that we would make good on our commitment to further the content in the Mission Trees introduced in the 1.25 England update.

The reception has been great on the mission trees since they have been introduced and we are fleshing them out more. Owners of Dharma will enjoy unique and involving mission trees for many nations in the subcontinent, including:

  • Vijayanagar
  • Bahmanis
  • Delhi
  • Orissa
  • Bengal
  • Mughals
  • Mewar
  • Hindustan
  • Gujarat
  • Malwa
  • Taungu :D
  • Bharat

Quite the list. Let's pick two to show off here and now. Delhi I choose you!

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City of Agra mission requires 25 development, but the province has only 24. This mission can be fulfilled without manually raising development. WHAT COULD IT MEAN!?

Delhi, who once held a tight grip over Northern India have found their strength of rule largely eroded, so their mission tree very much reflects them being the Purple Phoenix of the subcontinent. Note that Delhi is now a formable nation, so any nation looking to pick up that crown can enjoy the Delhian mission tree.

Now looking over to the Mughals, who now have access to a very deep mission tree, telling the tale of their magnificent rise to power in India and beyond.

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Art not final, not all icons will be blazing cannonfire. At least not the same blazing cannonfire

Of course we could be here all day detailing the different mission trees, but I want to also turn attention to the more minor nations in the region. For everyone who grabs the 1.26 Mughals Update, we have re-purposed the generic tree for India into two group trees. There is now a Mission Tree for North Indians and South Indians. Let's see the Southern one:

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Note that the centre column is reserved for religious missions and vary for Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims

Another bit of feedback we got on the mission redux was that generic missions felt too bland as they were the same for all nations across the world if they didn't get fancy unique missions. Of course we have no intention of the experience being something that can be called "bland" so in one of many steps towards this, we have revamped the generic missions for all the Indians as such in the free 1.26 Mughals Update.

One last set of missions I want to turn to are the Russians. The mission tree rework of Rule Britannia came after Third Rome, leaving the Russian's a bit left out when it came to their Mission choices. We have taken the opportunity during the development of Dharma to right this grievous wrong. All owners of Third Rome will, in the 1.26 Update, enjoy access to mission trees for Muscovy, Novgorod, Russia and Russian Minors.

Muscovy, Novgorod and the Minors will all have access to their mission tree at start, which will morph into the grand Russian tree upon forming Russia. Let's look at the Muscovy into Russia trees.

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I'm getting the Oprah Winfrey feeling when it comes to these mission trees today, so next week we'll turn our focus elsewhere. There is a French phrase "never a two without a three" and we're applying that to our system reworks. We've redone Governments as well as Estates in 1.26. The third is what we'll cover next week, and I think I'll let @Groogy cover that one as he's rather pleased with it. I'll put my feet up in the mean time.

Of course, today we pop the cork on our new Dev Clash. This time we have players duking it out both in India and Europe, notable with major countries as AIs. This has been something long requested, so I can't wait to see how it pans out in EU4 Dev Clash #11 - Baltic Elephants
 
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My personal preference would be for more dev diaries about new mechanics, rather than ones listing new missions. I really don’t want to get excited in the morning to read an EU4 DD (my morning literally started with kissing my wife and then loading up this DD while the coffee maker got going), only to read about a bunch of missions. My preference would be a little bit of a new mechanic mixed in with ‘filling out’ stuff like new missions/map changes.

I’m not sayng you guys should listen to me, mind you. Just putting my two cents in.

Everyone has different tastes. For instance, I don't care much about Map Changes (more precisely, I like having them in the game, but I don't care enough to read about them) while I do care about new missions.
In any case, they did warn last week that this DD would be about missions.
 
Why Russia have conquer Finland, Romania, Poland, etc, but 'liberate' Ruthenia? How did they 'liberate' Ruthenia in history? Zaporozhia and ruthenians thought with muscovians, and against them in these 'liberation' times, after it was just eaten by Russia, so, where is there liberation? I prefer there to see 'Conquer Ruthenia' aswell.
 
I really hope not. Magistrated were annoying and primarily felt like a roadblock and not in any way like an interesting system to avoid the snowball.


Well, if they were implemented in the old form, I wouldn't like it too; but, if they were added in some reworked form, like some kind of governor for states/provinces unlocking extra events/actions, I would appriacte it as a tall-player.
 
Why Russia have conquer Finland, Romania, Poland, etc, but 'liberate' Ruthenia? How did they 'liberate' Ruthenia in history? Zaporozhia and ruthenians thought with muscovians, and against them in these 'liberation' times, after it was just eaten by Russia, so, where is there liberation? I prefer there to see 'Conquer Ruthenia' aswell.

This is from Russia point of view and propaganda, so I think it fits.
 
I find the Delhi Missions too one-sided (all focussed on military expansion) - the generic Indian tree is more interesting, as it's more diverse comprising expansion, religious and economic missions.
 
Also, I see Orissa is on the list, is their mission tree expanded? And if I release Polotsk or Kiev, are they considered "Russian Minors" or do they keep the old tree?

Orissa has many more missions in Dharma than they do in 1.25.

Releasable Russian principalities will get the Russian Minors missions.
 
I didn't pay attention to it, but I just realised Russia doesn't seem to have any missions toward expansion into Caucasus. I'm happy to see we finally have missions in Alaska and Manchuria, however. Also, shouldn't we have to go through "Collect Yasak" before being able to "Extend Yasak to the East"?
 
- something based on decembrist revolt?

I really hope that this is it, and not some hints of the communism which bizarrely appear retroactively.

I also hope these missions somehow affect the buttons raising Streltsy and Oprichnina. It wouldn't be cool with "Yay, I built St. Petersburg and completed the mission window to the West! Muh modernisation! Oh look, Oprichnina recharged".
 
As an Indian who waited a long time for an Indian focused DLC, I must with all due respect say I am utterly disappointed. I started out being elated at the announcement that the region of focus would finally, finally be India, but with every following development diary, the changes seem to be a broad stroke in which they are revisiting, Europe's ability to colonize India, Cossack estates, and now Russian trees. So far it seems to me the only flavour they added to India is more provinces, and more form-able nations. Things even I could with my limited capacity easily mod into the game, myself. There has been no flavour to the Indian region so far that adds to its uniqueness. Mings got the Emperor of China Mandate Mechanic, along with Manchu Banners, an overhaul to Shintoism and Confucianism, specific to the region. Russia, got Siberian Frontiers, new Tsardom Mechanics, new Orthodoxy Mechanics and Strelsy, specific to the region. Cradle of Civilization got new government mechanics for Iqta, Tribal, Mamluk, Theocracy, etc., new Islamic Mechanics that is specific to the region. Britain got a new religion added to the game, coal saturated homeland and innovative edge and naval doctrine, specific to the region.

India gets.... no unique government forms so far, no update to religion so far, no unique regional mechanics that work in favour for the natives but rather prospect invaders. Even the announcement trailer is by far the laziest piece of work I have witnessed in comparison to its predecessors, panning around a gunman on elephant back aiming at a European cavalryman on a chess board to the sound of some Indo-Western fusion, really? No video diary either this far in, where we get to see new buttons before they are been revealed and speculate their possible purpose? It's rather ironic that the DLC I have waited for so long for might actually end up being the DLC I won't even bother buying.

No offense, just criticism. My intent is not to offer insult or injury to anyone, take it how you will. To those of you who look forward to this DLC, I envy you I truly do. I wish I could but I can't shake the feeling that it is no longer a DLC focusing on the India region and is just a broad stroke and refix of mechanics already present in game.
 
As an Indian who waited a long time for an Indian focused DLC, I must with all due respect say I am utterly disappointed. I started out being elated at the announcement that the region of focus would finally, finally be India, but with every following development diary, the changes seem to be a broad stroke in which they are revisiting, Europe's ability to colonize India, Cossack estates, and now Russian trees. So far it seems to me the only flavour they added to India is more provinces, and more form-able nations. Things even I could with my limited capacity easily mod into the game, myself. There has been no flavour to the Indian region so far that adds to its uniqueness. Mings got the Emperor of China Mandate Mechanic, along with Manchu Banners, an overhaul to Shintoism and Confucianism, specific to the region. Russia, got Siberian Frontiers, new Tsardom Mechanics, new Orthodoxy Mechanics and Strelsy, specific to the region.

I bet that as an Indian, you'd be disappointed even more if the Indian changes were of the same style as the Tsardom mechanics and streltsy :D
 
I really hope that this is it, and not some hints of the communism which bizarrely appear retroactively.
- i really cant remember anything else that would be considered "revolution" for that timeperiod in Russia. "Constantine and his wife Constitution" is the closest that comes to mind. Communsim is obvioulsy completely out of question.

I also hope these missions somehow affect the buttons raising Streltsy and Oprichnina. It wouldn't be cool with "Yay, I built St. Petersburg and completed the mission window to the West! Muh modernisation! Oh look, Oprichnina recharged".
- heh, thats im afraid would be unchanged.
 
Why Russia have conquer Finland, Romania, Poland, etc, but 'liberate' Ruthenia? How did they 'liberate' Ruthenia in history? Zaporozhia and ruthenians thought with muscovians, and against them in these 'liberation' times, after it was just eaten by Russia, so, where is there liberation? I prefer there to see 'Conquer Ruthenia' aswell.
Russo-Polish War of 1654 and the Khmelnitskiy Uprising, for example. The actual meaning of the treaty of Pereyaslavl is disputed by historians of different countries (Ukrainian historians view it as a temporary alliance with Moscow against Poland, while Russian historians view it as the Cossacks submitting to Moscow), but the conflict itself is pretty straightforward.
 
Why Russia have conquer Finland, Romania, Poland, etc, but 'liberate' Ruthenia? How did they 'liberate' Ruthenia in history? Zaporozhia and ruthenians thought with muscovians, and against them in these 'liberation' times, after it was just eaten by Russia, so, where is there liberation? I prefer there to see 'Conquer Ruthenia' aswell.
- heh, "Zaparozhia and ruthenians" fought with each other and against "Rzeczpospolita3Narodów" too. So? The point is that those lands were considered legitimate part of old Rus on which they had legitimate claims, so yeah, from Moscow POV it is indeed liberation.