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EU4 - Development Diary - 4th of June 2019

Hello again! In previous weeks we’ve shown you revamped maps of Italy and German and the revitalized political setups in these regions. Today will be no different as we delve into the land of cheese, wine, and élan!

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The most striking thing you’ll notice about this new setup is the return of the French “vassal swarm”. The Duchies of Orleans, Bourbonnais, Auvergne, Armagnac, and Foix will be returning to the game alongside their glorious but rarely-seen Hundred Years War unit models. But how will you balance this, I preemptively hear you asking? Won’t France need extra diplomatic relations to cope with this? Won’t France be horrendously overpowered in the early game? Fear not, for we have answers and solutions - which I am not going to reveal today.

So, what's up with balkanized France? The reality is that in 1444, the Kingdom of France was quite decentralized. The Hundred Years War had forced the King to enact new taxes to finance his troops which led to several revolts and conspiracies from its nobility. That conflict continued for most of the second half of the 15th century. Historically the crown prevailed and managed to bring France toward centralization and absolutism, but in EU4 it won't be a given. Hence we decided to make that part of the French gameplay by representing the strongest Dukes and Counts as vassals in 1444.
  • Orléans was the strongest of them and often the leader of the resistance against the Crown. The head of the House of Orléans in 1444 was Charles the First, a cousin of the King who spent 25 years in English captivity. His son Louis would historically become King of France later on following the extinction of the main Valois branch.
  • The Duchy of Bourbon (or Bourbonnais) is held by Jean II, an up and coming noble that illustrated himself in combat the same year our game starts. Historically, he sided with the King's party, but changed side later on after losing a prestigious office.
  • Armagnac is in a tight spot. The result of CK2-style border gore, his possessions are spread across central and southern France. Its leader, Jean IV, recently took part in a failed revolt against the King and is kept on a tight leash.
  • Foix is held by Count Gaston IV, also General Lieutenant of the French Armies of Gascony and Guyenne.

You’ll also notice that France and its subjects (nominal and otherwise) have a handful of additional provinces. I mentioned in a previous dev diary a desire to include Foix, Carcassonne, Toulon, and La Marche. All of these have made it in to this iteration of the map. Toulon felt especially valuable due to its status as a major base of naval operations for France later in the timeframe, and as you’ll see in an upcoming dev diary the establishment of this great arsenal is an important part of more than one new mission tree. We also found room for Forez, which allows us to represent the divide between the crown and Bourbon territories. Blois beefs up the Duchy of Orleans, the most powerful of the French vassal states and often a thorn in the side of the French kings.

To better represent the divide between western (Ducal Burgundy) and eastern (Free HRE Country Burgundy), we added the province of Salins and its large salt mine. This lead us to split Burgundy in two, but instead of following the Imperial divide we elected instead to make two balanced states with one holding land on both sides, making any division an imperfect choice that is sure to spark more conflict in the future.

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Another addition to the political setup is the city-state of Geneva, here represented in 1444 as a vassal of Savoy. Geneva was subject to Savoy until 1524, and up to that point had a troubled relationship with its overlord. The House of Savoy repeatedly attempted to increase their control over the city to little avail except to alienate its citizens and foster a desire for independence. Local authorities sought to ally with the Swiss cantons, and the city would eventually join the Swiss Confederacy. In addition, the old province of Savoy has been split between Anessi and Ciamber.

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Moving further away from France, we’ve also made some changes to the Low Countries. I’ve spoken before regarding our concerns about adding provinces to this region. We want it to retain the feeling of being a highly developed and densely populated region, and adding new provinces would force us to split development to the point that it might lose that feeling. We have however managed to squeeze in two additional provinces: ‘s-Hertogenbosch has been cut off from Breda, and Rysel adds a province to Flanders. We’ve also revised the Utrecht-Frisia border to reflect historical divisions of the Dutch provinces. Speaking of Frisia, we have at long last added Frisian culture to the game. You’ll find Frisians inhabiting the provinces of Friesland, Groningen, and Ostfriesland. We’ve also redrawn the area map, doing away with the “Netherlands” area and adding a distinction between North and South Brabant.

Last week I promised a look at the Balkans alongside France, but we’ve decided instead to dedicate an entire dev diary to this topic. Expect to see that in a couple of weeks, as our next dev diary will cover some of the new mission trees in the French and Dutch region. Until then, let us know what you think of the new map setup as well as which mission trees you want to see next week.
 
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Many kingdoms and states were quite decentralized in 1444, why only France needs a different representation in the game?
Particularly baffling is the continued refusal to split Austria in any way, even though Tirol wasn't integrated until quite a ling time after 1444.
 
I smell the unloyal Vassal, that will be supported by French rivals, crippling its armies and its different ZOC. Is there any work on updating the French forts?

This will probably be a huge nerf for AI France, that is already often bullied. And if Vassal Independence is to be supported by France rivals im afraid the country will be unplayable (low dip rep + unloyal vassals, once your Manpower is drained byebye).

At least, nerfed France get most of the Province we hoped., big thank you for that. Taking the Swarm strategy I would have appreciated Provence to become a PU Under France, as it became a "perpetual union" after the death of the last Provence King in 1487.
This would not only increase the possibility of containing France, but also avoid IA France not to be able to conquer those provinces because it starts allied with Provence.(same thing with Britanny)

Several questions :
Will the vassals get their own ideas? Will they get specific missions trees?
Provence and Britanny should have missions making them becoming UP of France* (just like Poland with Bohemia, Moldavia, Danzig), will the new mission tree allow it?
Could you show us the Vassals unit models? Im quite sure most of the new players have never seen them :).

An observation though, in Aix there is "Arles" which was not only the first capital of Provence, but also a big stronghold, protecting Provence from the Toulouse neighboor. This threat was the Reason was the capital was moved from Arles to Aix.
 
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Good stuff, but the tricky part will be getting the balance right. The impossible part of course being that people will complain no matter how you do it ;)
 
It feels strange you'd make Franché-Comte cross historical divisions for gameplay purposes yet not keep Brabant one area, when it was split between two states (the Netherlands and Spain/Austria/Belgium).
 
Talk about ideas will come at a later stage in our DD series. But I may have something for you...

Please don't give Daniel any pretext to put Jersey there :confused:
Why not have Jersey? It was a major element of Anglo-Frank relations during this period. It's also a source of consternation for thier ancestors he he he.
 
It feels strange you'd make Franché-Comte cross historical divisions for gameplay purposes yet not keep Brabant one area, when it was split between two states (the Netherlands and Spain/Austria/Belgium).
That's why I said it was ominous. I haven't seen them do splits like this (aside from the weird redrawing of Poland), which makes me kind of think they'll somehow incorporate you-know-what formable into the game.
 
This is the first map-diary I'm actually really enjoying. I love the unexpected surprises in the forms of Blois, Forez and both Geneva and Anessi! I also see that many city-locations have been edited.

I will still make a feedback-thread (you guys know me), as some things could use a small edit or namechange, but it's close to perfection!

Things that still 'bother' me for example:
- Finistere/Armor should be changed to other names.
- Caux should be changed to Rouen, its citylocation as well.
- The capital of Berry, Bourges, is still off.
- Auxerrois should have Auxerre as capital and in a different location.
- Some names in the Low Countries should be changed like Flanders and Brabant. Those areas are bigger than just those provinces.
- Forcalquier hasn't been fixed; its town is not located there.
- Franche-Comté's name should (sadly) be changed now that there's a Salins-province.
- Breda's city isn't located in that province; both Breda and 'sHertogenbosch (cities) should be placed differently.
- Middelburg, Zeeland's capital, should be on an island.
 
Isn't there something wrong with the way subjects work, if decentralizing a nation and taking away their land to vassals makes them stronger?
Stronger in terms of numbers presuming that all states are aligned.

He hinted at the beginning of the post that vassal relations may be a tad more complicated going forward.

What I'd want to see is some kind of slider for vessels as to how integrated they are. At 0% they are essentially free states with an obligation to join wars, they are particularly susceptible to rebellion and pay very little or no taxes. At 99% they are essentially provinces with a lot of local autonomy, producing a lot of taxes and adding manpower and regiment limit, but field very little of their own troops.

Actually it would be cool if the autonomy mechanic was overhauled so that provinces that have a lot of autonomy slides into vassal status after a while and vassals with very little of the independence slider I mentioned above eventually auto integrated into provinces.
 
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