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EU4 - Development Diary - 4th of June 2019

Hello again! In previous weeks we’ve shown you revamped maps of Italy and German and the revitalized political setups in these regions. Today will be no different as we delve into the land of cheese, wine, and élan!

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The most striking thing you’ll notice about this new setup is the return of the French “vassal swarm”. The Duchies of Orleans, Bourbonnais, Auvergne, Armagnac, and Foix will be returning to the game alongside their glorious but rarely-seen Hundred Years War unit models. But how will you balance this, I preemptively hear you asking? Won’t France need extra diplomatic relations to cope with this? Won’t France be horrendously overpowered in the early game? Fear not, for we have answers and solutions - which I am not going to reveal today.

So, what's up with balkanized France? The reality is that in 1444, the Kingdom of France was quite decentralized. The Hundred Years War had forced the King to enact new taxes to finance his troops which led to several revolts and conspiracies from its nobility. That conflict continued for most of the second half of the 15th century. Historically the crown prevailed and managed to bring France toward centralization and absolutism, but in EU4 it won't be a given. Hence we decided to make that part of the French gameplay by representing the strongest Dukes and Counts as vassals in 1444.
  • Orléans was the strongest of them and often the leader of the resistance against the Crown. The head of the House of Orléans in 1444 was Charles the First, a cousin of the King who spent 25 years in English captivity. His son Louis would historically become King of France later on following the extinction of the main Valois branch.
  • The Duchy of Bourbon (or Bourbonnais) is held by Jean II, an up and coming noble that illustrated himself in combat the same year our game starts. Historically, he sided with the King's party, but changed side later on after losing a prestigious office.
  • Armagnac is in a tight spot. The result of CK2-style border gore, his possessions are spread across central and southern France. Its leader, Jean IV, recently took part in a failed revolt against the King and is kept on a tight leash.
  • Foix is held by Count Gaston IV, also General Lieutenant of the French Armies of Gascony and Guyenne.

You’ll also notice that France and its subjects (nominal and otherwise) have a handful of additional provinces. I mentioned in a previous dev diary a desire to include Foix, Carcassonne, Toulon, and La Marche. All of these have made it in to this iteration of the map. Toulon felt especially valuable due to its status as a major base of naval operations for France later in the timeframe, and as you’ll see in an upcoming dev diary the establishment of this great arsenal is an important part of more than one new mission tree. We also found room for Forez, which allows us to represent the divide between the crown and Bourbon territories. Blois beefs up the Duchy of Orleans, the most powerful of the French vassal states and often a thorn in the side of the French kings.

To better represent the divide between western (Ducal Burgundy) and eastern (Free HRE Country Burgundy), we added the province of Salins and its large salt mine. This lead us to split Burgundy in two, but instead of following the Imperial divide we elected instead to make two balanced states with one holding land on both sides, making any division an imperfect choice that is sure to spark more conflict in the future.

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Another addition to the political setup is the city-state of Geneva, here represented in 1444 as a vassal of Savoy. Geneva was subject to Savoy until 1524, and up to that point had a troubled relationship with its overlord. The House of Savoy repeatedly attempted to increase their control over the city to little avail except to alienate its citizens and foster a desire for independence. Local authorities sought to ally with the Swiss cantons, and the city would eventually join the Swiss Confederacy. In addition, the old province of Savoy has been split between Anessi and Ciamber.

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Moving further away from France, we’ve also made some changes to the Low Countries. I’ve spoken before regarding our concerns about adding provinces to this region. We want it to retain the feeling of being a highly developed and densely populated region, and adding new provinces would force us to split development to the point that it might lose that feeling. We have however managed to squeeze in two additional provinces: ‘s-Hertogenbosch has been cut off from Breda, and Rysel adds a province to Flanders. We’ve also revised the Utrecht-Frisia border to reflect historical divisions of the Dutch provinces. Speaking of Frisia, we have at long last added Frisian culture to the game. You’ll find Frisians inhabiting the provinces of Friesland, Groningen, and Ostfriesland. We’ve also redrawn the area map, doing away with the “Netherlands” area and adding a distinction between North and South Brabant.

Last week I promised a look at the Balkans alongside France, but we’ve decided instead to dedicate an entire dev diary to this topic. Expect to see that in a couple of weeks, as our next dev diary will cover some of the new mission trees in the French and Dutch region. Until then, let us know what you think of the new map setup as well as which mission trees you want to see next week.
 
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I think turning Aquitaine into a vassal for England would make for interesting gameplay and would have some historical underpinnings to it.
But wasn't it technically under direct control of the crown? As Henry IV was the duke of Aquitaine. The Gascon lords as well as the people in Bordeaux favored English rule over French rule, too. Autonomy and flourishing wine-trade with London were big factors regarding their loyalty.
 
Any chance you could move the Breton fort from Finistere to Vannetais? It would be a lot more useful there, protecting all the Breton provinces and giving them a place to retreat.

Vannes is a city whose Roman-era fortifications still remain to this day. Or at least part of it.


I think turning Aquitaine into a vassal for England would make for interesting gameplay and would have some historical underpinnings to it.

Imo it depends how they want to implement the French vassals. If there is a mechanic that make loyal vassal turn into disloyal vassals possibly banding together with england, it would be quite weird that these english lands would be under english direct ownership, rather than under ownership of disloyal vassals to the king of france.
Of course this is not the only way they can go about this.
 
I remember when all of Switzerland was just two provinces. Now all the provinces that would eventually join Switzerland number 10.
Switzerland was one province in EU1!
She was split in twain by EU2, though.
 
6th province in Brittany
- Finisterre split in Leon&Cornouaille
6 provinces would be too much for the Area of Brittany. Then again we could remove Nantes from it as any Parisian would tell you it's not in Brittany anyways (same goes for Mont St Michel) :D.
 
Many kingdoms and states were quite decentralized in 1444, why only France needs a different representation in the game?
I'd say partly because the story of French centralization is an important one in this time period for Western Europe, and also a unified France in 1444, IRL as well as in-game, is much too powerful for its neighbors to handle, so starting as France feels like playing on Very Easy.
 
Will the Burgundian subjects now have the right dates when they fell under PU?

Flanders happened in 1369 (so should be able to be integrated as soon as Burgundy can hit +190 relations), Brabant in 1430 and Holland in 1432. Currently all 3 became subjects on November 1st, 1444.
 
6 provinces would be too much for the Area of Brittany. Then again we could remove Nantes from it as any Parisian would tell you it's not in Brittany anyways (same goes for Mont St Michel) :D.
You could do two areas as it's split between upper and Lower brittany throughout history.
 
Will the Burgundian subjects now have the right dates when they fell under PU?

Flanders happened in 1369 (so should be able to be integrated as soon as Burgundy can hit +190 relations), Brabant in 1430 and Holland in 1432. Currently all 3 became subjects on November 1st, 1444.
This is for balance, similar with Kalmar union
 
Well, I don't really see the issue of Upper-Valais having a capital (Sion) close to the border, it wouldn't be the first province to be like this. Lower-Valais would have its capital in Martigny and be under Savoy's control.

Regarding your point about Sion being an "Eternal Ally" of the Old confederacy, it's true, but I argue that this doesn't mean that it should be included in SWI via direct ownership. Another "Eternal Ally" was the Three Leagues in the Graubünden. And they got included in the game as a new tag, and were removed from SWI actually.
My point is that Upper-Valais should be represented just as well, with a Bishopric of Sion tag, not as directly owned by SWI.

edit: I would also like to point out that I find the update really done well by the devs, and would read with great attention next week dev diary when they'll probably talk about how the vassal swarm is going to be handled (I hope so at least). But there is still a slight room for improvement, as others have mentionned:
- Albret province and tag
- Dunkirk in the Risjel/Lille province to represent French Flanders (in any case, as long as both Lille/West-Flanders are in Flanders/Spain/Austria, this has no practical impart).
- Finisterre split in Leon&Cornouaille
- Luxembourg split in two: Luxembourg proper (Rhenish culture) and Arlon (Wallonian culture)
- Bushopric of Sion in the Valais, potentially with a split Lower (Savoy) / Upper (Sion) Valais. The Bishopric was really influential in the Burgundian wars and the Italian wars.
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As people mentioned before, I think having Valais split up like shown on this map (all my Paint skills on display ;) ) would be favourable. A new tag "Die Sieben Zenden" aka. "The Seven Tenth" or just "Upper Valais" would be a great extension. It could have a similar position as the "Grey league" in Graubünden, being a strong ally of the SWI or even a vasal of her. Furthermore, this split is crucial as it still represents the border between German- and Frenchspeaking Valais/Wallis of today.

Below the inspiration for the map from Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_des_Wallis#Neuzeit) (german)
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Hello everyone! Only been playing for a few months (getting help in-game from people >1000 hours plus watching a lot of content, but still only about 300 hours of my own), but regularly reading these for a while. First time I've really wanted to jump in, and maybe represent people who only joined the game recently.

I'm unsure about whether I like this new setup or not. On the one hand, the amount of vassals France now has make it harder for France to ally the other early-game powerhouses and become basically unbeatable. However, for anyone in the vicinity, dealing with vassal swarms as well as the mighty French army makes expanding into France miserable, so countries like England, Aragon, and Burgundy are getting severely nerfed by this, while countries like Austria, which are farther away and are later threats to France will be much stronger by comparison. However, I do love the historical idea of making France a competitor to the feudal nature of the HRE.

A bigger concern for me personally is the addition of so many new provinces and development to one of the highest-tax areas in the game for France, while smaller countries like Brittany (a personal favorite of mine) got nothing. How is Brittany going to have any chance to stand up to France or have enough time to escape to the New World against this beefy France? Are they getting an OP missions tree to compensate? Better national ideas (as their current ones are mediocre at best)? All I want is a fair chance for the French Celts!

*EDIT*: accidentally quoted myself - fixed
 
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This is for balance, similar with Kalmar union

Any source for that? Considering central Europe hasn't been touched in years, I wouldn't be surprised if that represent outdated design guidelines.

Nowadays, Bahmanis starts with a vassal (Telingana) that has been so since 1.1.1433, while Jaffna has been a vassal under Vijayanagar since 1432.
 
6 provinces would be too much for the Area of Brittany. Then again we could remove Nantes from it as any Parisian would tell you it's not in Brittany anyways (same goes for Mont St Michel) :D.
Renaming Armor and Finistère would be enough, in my opinion. Proud Bretons having French Republican province-names is ehhhhh iffy.

Also; Austria was more decentralized than France. You guys should really take another good look at how it's represented. Styria, Austria, Tyrol, Cili, Gorizia... Plenty of cool tags. The first three could then use events to unify them. Hungary and Bohemia's events could even tie into this.
 
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That's a good _start_ :D

ADDENDUM:

Also now Verdun is on the map so you can fight those damn Germans in the trenches for years. Oh wait, wrong game...

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Daniel was also kind to ask for suggestions regarding states so here I tried to make something that follows the historical Ancien Régime division (which partially inspired the re-division that was made during the Révolution):

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Hmmm, trench warfare >>> WWI >>>>> early 1900s >>>> VICKY 3!!!!!!!!
 
Looks pretty good this one!
However two, three, four things about the map.
1. Albret, you had it on the board, why did you scrap it?
2. Laon samething why did it go?
3. Archbishop of Metz is still a unicorn.
4. For a real Champange area there is room for the bishop of Vertus, but that's more of a filler but well it's sort of a nice thing for the HRE, it could search for imperial protection if it get's imperial borders.