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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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I propose to change the catalan culture name to valencian since catalonia wasn't the cultural hub that valencia was and also valencia is just better in every way in that period

We never stated that, we are just reivindicating that ,while being similar to catalans, we aren't them. We have and had our own institutions, culture, traditions, way of thinking and history differenciated from catalans. Hell, we are recognised as an "Historical Nationality" by the Spanish Constitution, along with Catalans, Basques, Galicians, Aragonese and Andalusians. U have the right of not liking it, but we think that now that the Iberian DLC is being developed, its our best chance to get our claims.

Is really that bad that we want our culture being represented in the game? its not like we are harming someone, we just want to be represented.
 
I, of course removed between 1 and 3 provinces in Aragon (one of Valencia and 2 in the Balearic Islands), I put 2 in Castile (Plasencia and Guadalajara) and 1 in Portugal.

Then, I already advance to the developers that there will be fuss with the states according to your map:

Kingdom of Galicia: No problem

Kingdom of Asturias: Asturias, Cantabria and Palencia. Since as include Burgos or Vizcaya, you will have enraged hordes.

Kingdom of Castile: Burgos, Soria, Valladolid, Avila and Madrid

Kingdom of Navarre: Navarra, Vizcaya and La Rioja.

Kingdom of Leon: Leon, Zamora, Salamanca, Extremadura / Caceres and Badajoz

Kingdom of Toledo: Toledo, Cuenca, La Mancha, Albacete and Murcia

Kingdom of Seville: Seville, Huelva, Cadiz, Cordoba and Jaen

Kingdom of Granada: Granada, Malaga, Almeria and Gibraltar

8 states for 4 in Aragon.

I would certainly get 2 more states: Extremadura and another one in Madrid. And Asturias would charge me that I would put it with Leon. And with cultures, you will also see topic of conversation.

Cheer up.
 
Agreed, Setubal or maybe Palmela, carved out of the southern part of the Lisbon province south of the Tagus and a bit of Beja would make a lot of sense. Palmela used to guard the southern aproaches to Lisbon and important ports were located around it, not only in Lisbon.

Edit: Also Aragon getting 5 provinces and Portugal getting only 1 is a bit nonsensical - It is a matter of fact Portugal was more populous at the time. Just because nowadays you can more easily identify cities in Aragon/Catalonia does not mean Portuguese cities were less relevant in 1444.

While I agree with this based on the total number of provinces added, development is still more important, so I'd like to know what is the current balance of the Iberian kingdoms at the start date.
 
Sure, what if I tell you my experience is exacly the opposite one? Try saying something like "SANGHENGHO" out loud.
Sanjenjo is the famous one of the recent ones I mention. And still, it is used by some people, though many use Sanxenxo in Spanish as well.
Some of those Spanish names are not so recent, I was precisely thinking about the Orense/Ourense stuff, so I did a quick search in http://pares.mcu.es/ (which is a pretty good catalogue of digitalized modern era Spanish documentation) and the term Orense was used in several documents from the 1500, which suggest that the term was at least used by some Castillian speakers. It wasn´t a thorough search tough, and XVI century letter is pretty horrible to read, so I can´t confirm it blindly as I wasn´t able to check all the documents.
Exactly. Many Spanish place names for places in Galicia are very common and old and are used by most people in Galicia when speaking Spanish. Others, generally very local ones, are more recent versions and are not as popular, though some of them, like Panjón, have caught on. Those in favour of never using the Spanish names usually conflate all of these. Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with saying Sanjenjo, other than that it's a recent adaptation of Sanxenxo.
 
Spain in 1532

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Battle of Preveze:
Attacker was Spain i dont think they left lots of heavy ships in Caribbeans, since only threat Portugal was also Spain's ally.

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Thanks for proving my point. The battle was not at the height of the spanish empire. Spain had barely begun the American conquest. And we should they give a fuck about the Ottomans after that when they had the world open to themselves? All trade and riches came from elsewhere. That was the hole point of exploration. And there were far me dangerous and close foes such as France and England whose interests were in coflict with the spanish. At the height of the spanish empire the turks were stopped at Viena, and after that their expansion ceased and their slow decline begun
 
Spain between 1500 and 1550, had 3 or 4 wars with France.

He fought in the Mediterranean against the pirates of northern Africa and the Ottoman Empire.

He had to have 50,000 soldiers in the Netherlands permanently for 80 years (1568-1648). And pay them.

He had to face the piracy of the Dutch and English.

He had a couple of wars with England.

He even had to intervene in the war of 30 years to support the Austrians of Austria.

And yes, it is logically ruined. They raised taxes to Castile and Spain lost population and cities of more than 10,000 inhabitants between 1600 and 1700.

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Not to mention the process of inflation that there was for the silver of the American colonies.
 
I am very pleased; I most often play as Castille in mods and this is a wonderful expansion for them. Still surprised Portugal only got one more... maybe if enough of us say that... the Platypus gods will listen?
 
May I ask you what is it you find is lacking or being implemented lazily? The dev team is already working as much as they can, with milestones and deadlines that we endeavor to reach in an efficient and timely manner. Working more hours is not a solution when the development team is already on full-time – doing so would be counterproductive. Asking them to work more would be awful to them and would put the project in jeopardy.

While I do not agree with a harsh response, some changes on the map should be done to optimize it, since you won't (probably) touch Iberia in a long time after this. As I don't work for you, I can't give you data, but I do agree with the comentaries of Naranjito, at least in most part. In map changes, I recommend you to give another look into the southern part of Spain.
 
Wait, having Asturias be a thing is even worse than I realized. Leon should get its coastline back and Asturias should be repurposed as the Kingdom of Sevilla/Seville.

Aside from the Kingdom of Leon being the polity that Asturias morphed into, the land given to Asturias was the original land of the Kingdom of Castile. The set up shown is thus nonsensical.
 
The devs must boost Portugal for sure! I've to notice that Portugal doesn´t have enough home provinces to request the burger's interaction to build up heavy ships. It is necessary 10 home provinces and Portugal only has 8 and this new patch doesn´t solve it! Instead of Aveiro, Having Minho (Braga) northern to Porto, Setubal (South Lisbon with an important estuary) and Ribatejo splitting Lisbon in two. Beira could also be split, but maybe it is too much.

Castille can have more provinces. Extremadura can be split into Caceres, Plasencia, and Merida.


I suggest the Beyond Typus mod map as a good example of a nice Iberian setup!
 
I strangely feel like Portugal will be boosted in colonial, naval side. Maybe having their own naval doctrine and special colonization mechanic similar to Russia.
We will probably have real representation of 3 super powers in oceans after this patch (Spain, Portugal, UK). Only Ottomans could try to counter them in limited areas like red sea, basra, some parts of india and southeastern asia but yet failed nearly everwhere. And patch also tries to represent these tries by adding more pirate states - somewhat supported/protected by Ottomans.
 
The devs must boost Portugal for sure! I've to notice that Portugal doesn´t have enough home provinces to request the burger's interaction to build up heavy ships. It is necessary 10 home provinces and Portugal only has 8 and this new patch doesn´t solve it! Instead of Aveiro, Having Minho (Braga) northern to Porto, Setubal (South Lisbon with an important estuary) and Ribatejo splitting Lisbon in two. Beira could also be split, but maybe it is too much.

Castille can have more provinces. Extremadura can be split into Caceres, Plasencia, and Merida.


I suggest the Beyond Typus mod map as a good example of a nice Iberian setup!
totaly agree, extremadura can be splited and la mancha maybe too and chage name of castilla la vieja to valladolid
 
Spanish Minors + English + French
Galician Unique:
A Coruña (La Coruña)
Ourense (Orense)

Leonese Unique:
Asturies (Asturias)
Llión (León)

Basque Unique:
Bizkaia (Vizcaya)
Nafarroa (Navarra)
Errioxa (Rioja)
Lapurdi (Labourd)
Bordele (Bordeaux)

Possible??:
Biarnoko ((?)Béarn)
Arogoi (((?)Zaragoza)For Aragón)

Aragonese Unique:
Uesca (Huesca)
Calatayú (Calatayud)
Castelló (Castellón)
Xàtiva (Jàtiva)
Alacant (Alicante)

Catalan Unique:
Eivissa (Ibiza)
Roselló (Rousillon)
Narbona (Narbonne)
Provenza (Provence)
Aviñón (Avignon)
Xàtiva (Jàtiva)
Alacant (Alicante)
Castelló (Castellón)

English Unique:
Corunna (La Caruña)
Lisbon (Lisboa)
Navarre (Navarra)
Saragossa (Zaragoza)
Majorca (Mallorca)
Minorca (Menorca)

French Unique:
Gérone (Girona)
Barcelone (Barcelona)
Saragosse (Zaragoza)
Biscaye (Vizcaya)
Majorque (Mallorca)
Minorque (Menorca)
Cantabrie (Cantabria)
Asturies (Asturias)
La Corogne (La Coruña)
Lion (León)
Bassin (Cuenca)
Salamanque (Salamanca)
Cadix (Cádiz)
Lisbonne (Lisboa)

Castillian + Portuguese
Spanish:
La Coruña
Orense
Granada
Gibraltar
Almería
Lérida (Llieda)
Navarra (Nafarroa)
Frontera (Beira)
Tánger (Tangier)
Tetuán (Tetouan)
Castellón (Castelló)
Jàtiva (Xàtiva)
Gerona (Girona)

Portuguese: Mostly Accenting Letters
A Coruña (La Coruña)
Ourense (Orense)
Astúrias (Asturias)
Cantábria (Cantabria)
Leão (León)
Biscaia (Vizcaya)
Maiorca (Mallorca)
Saragoça (Zaragoza)
Madri (Madrid)
Sevilha (Seville)
A Mancha (La Mancha)
Bacia (Cuenca)
Ávila (Avila)
Múrcia (Murcia)

Andalusian:
Liyun (León)
Talimanka* (Salamanca) *Original is Salmanika
Samura/Samureh (Zamora)
Qasarash* (Cáceres) *Original is El-Belat
Batalyaws (Badajoz)
Barghosh* (Burgos) *Original is Qila
Balad-Alwalid* (Valladolid) *Original is Baladu-walid
Balansia (Palencia)
Najira*/Ruyukhaan** (Najéra/Rioja) *Original is N/A
Baskay** (Vizcaya) *Original is N/A
Nibara* (Navarra) *Original is for Pamplona
Lixbuna (Lisboa)
Burtuqal (Porto)
Baraghansa** (Braganca) *Original is N/A
Afyru (Aveiro)
Qalmuria* (Coimbra) *Original is Qulumriya
Alhudud** (Beira) *Original is Al-Adna
Yabira* (Évora) *Original is N/A
Baja/Alzyit (Beja)
Shilb (Algarve)
Washaqa* (Huesca) *Original is Wasqah
Qaleatan Ayuwb/ Qaleatan (Calatayud)
Saraqusta (Zaragoza)
Tyrwal* (Teruel) *Original is Tirwal
Yada* (Lleida/Urgell) *Original is N/A
Barshiluna* (Barcelona) *Original is Barshaluna
Jarunda* (Girona) *Original is Garundah
Tarkhuna/Tarakuna/Taraghuna* (Tarragona) *Original is Tarrakunah
Kastilun** (Castellón)
Balansiyah/Balansia (Valencia)
Shatiba (Jàtiva)
Layaqinat/Aliqint* (Alicante) *Original is Medina Laqant
[Walabat] Uwniba (Huelva)
Ashbilia/Ashbiliya/Shbilia* (Seville) *Original is Isbiliya
Qartaba* (Córdoba) *Original is Qurtubah
Jyan* (Jaén) *Original is Jayyan
Qadis (Cádiz)
Jabal Tariq (Gibraltar)
Maliqa (Malága)
Gharnata* (Granada) *Original is Garnatah
Almuriya* (Almería) *Original is Murriya
Marsia/Marsiya* (Murcia) *Original is Mursiya
Tulaytullah (Toledo)
Majrit (Madrid)
Abalat (Avila)
Allatikha** (La Mancha) *Original is Al-Mansha
Suriya** (Soria)
Qawnika/Qawniqa* (Cuenca) *Original is Qunka
Albasit (Albacete)
Muyuraqa* (Mallorca) *Original is Mayurqa
Munwriqatan (Menorca)
Yabisa (Ibiza)
[Aljuzur]
Alkhalidat (East Canary Islands)

Possible other Locations:
Shantri (Santerém)
Shuqubiyah (Segovia)
Bilasinathia (Plasencia)
Marida (Mérida)
[Wadi]-Alhijara (Guadalajara)

IMPORTANT!!:
* Stars signify that the Unique name might be different than what paradox currently has, BUT I suggest to Paradox to take a look at revising these Unique Place Names! These ones are on good authority!

** Two stars signify that the Name could be incorrect, as it was only done with Google Translate/Wikipedia
https://baheyeldin.com/writings/his...nish-names-for-iberian-cities-and-places.html
 
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shouldnt Alicante be Alacant, Orense-Ourense, Rosellón- Roselló, Ibiza- Eivissa (proper culture names)?

Why Majorca and Minorca.

The Kingdom of Asturias shouldnt use astur names? Like Asturies. But why adding the kingdom of Asturias? It was the precessor of Castile and Portugal and stopped existing 500 years before the game starts.
 
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