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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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I really welcome these changes and the new focus on Iberia. But that huge releaseable Asturias is... weird. It's simply too big (Palencia, Burgos and Cantabria were the basis of Castile itself) , and I don't think it makes sense in this period (neither León, but I'm ok with that case). I would've prefered a bigger León, Navarra or Granada instead. Also, the Kingdom of Mallorca would be a good historical releasable part of the Crown of Aragon, specially now it has three island/provinces.

Even though, I really hope you raise development within the Iberian Peninsula.
 
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Hoping they throw a bone to the nations living in the Americas in this update, especially the ones the iberians historically interacted with in south and central america. Don't have to be anything too major (El Dorado already covered it quite a few DLC's back), but I admit that little things such as reworking the requirements for the final reform would be nice to give you a bit more of a chance to survive if the westerners suddenly decide to not settle next to you for whatever reason.

Liking the changes to Iberia so far, also like that northwest africa is not wholly left out of the mapchanges either. :)
 
The map looks good.

I hope that now that Navarra, Vizcaya and La Rioja are in the same state, this will be renamed the state to Navarra or at least to Vasconia and not continue as Basque Country (which is a concept that was born in the 19th century).

I think LLeida is the province of Urgel, it has struck me a little to see Lleida en Aragon. And the province of the Pyrenees could be renamed Huesca.

I do not know what name will receive the state of Asturias, Palencia, Burgos and Cantabria, as the state of Asturias does not fit me well, since in the end Palencia, Burgos and Cantabria is the north of Castile (in those three provinces the Castile/Spanish language was born), Asturias had a Astur-Leonese culture closer to Leon (Leon was Asturias changed its name when they changed the capital of Oviedo to Leon).
Maybe the name the state could be Cantabria, and the province of Cantabria or leave that name or change it to "La Montaña" that was also known at that time. Also the most important city of Cantabria was Laredo (the port of Isabel la Catolica) until Cardinal Richelieu and the French fleet razed the city in 1639, so Santander became the new capital.
 
Nothing personal @ the developers, but where's the quality of Dharma or CoC? Those patches had very good map-updates. Poland and now Iberia just seem to be unpolished.

Urgell should indeed have Lleida as name AND capital. Huesca should be the name of Pirineo. Please, fix all the locations and names. Galicia looks very good, for example.

I wonder what the capital of Beira is. It's Viseu in the current version if I'm not mistaken, but that wouldn't be in the right location.
 
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Instead of Asturias tag wouldn't have been better, even though it didn't exist anymore, a Cordoba releasable tag that would have cores in all the other Andalusian provinces and maybe Caceres and La Mancha?

Delete Astuarias tag or keep it but remove all the cores except in Asturias.

Give cores to Vizcaya and La Rioja to Navarra.

This would fix the not enough releasable nations problem and at the same time being more historical.
 
Relating Portugal: Aveiro was a village, not even a town, Braga and Guimarães were far far more important.
Setubal and alcacer do sal with sado estuary were really important and algarve could be split in two.

But again, lets keep Portugal an insignificant colonial nation that has to unhistorically ally with spain or castille... Just ridiculous.

I really hope they redo portuguese ideas, because it's just ridiculous as it looks like.

No historical accuracy neither historical flavour, I thought this was a europa universalis game with lot of historical accuracy, I guess I was wrong...
 
If you really want to make a change, than start with the balkans! serbia, bulgaria, bosnia and croatia fells like crap which is so sad, they need so strongly more provinces. And for whatever reasons they got ignored for years now.
After the balkans feel free to make new provinces for germany and scandinavia.
Detailing will eventually happen in Balkans but sadly developers will have hard time balancing out due to Ottomans blobbing on developments of region, more christian provinces -> more janissaries. It must be delayed for now. :D
 
First, very well, thank you.

Second, the analysis:

1- Perfect:

- Kingdom of Galicia: Very well, it was a very populated and developed region during the course of the game.

https://www.abc.es/espana/20140210/abci-como-cataluna-volvio-rica-201402100444.html

- Kingdom of Granada: With Malaga and 2 forts. It was a war with mountainous areas and a very fortified region for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granada_War

- I appreciate the presence of Zamora, Avila, Palencia, Albacete and Huelva.

- I see an improvement in development in Iberia (500 vs 571), which I hope will go in its vast majority to Castilla


2 - Errors:

- Lleida in the State of Aragon. Or you put Zaragoza, and Zaragoza you name Calatayud. Or you name him as Aragon or Huesca. Lleida is antihistorical, anticultural.

- Castilla la Vieja should be Valladolid. Very important province, especially until 1600 and where, in addition, Medina del Campo was.

I leave this document on population of Spain (from page 400)

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

- The Galician provinces were: Lugo, Coruña, Betanzos, Orense, Mondoñedo, Santiago and Tuy. Santiago was more populated than Coruña. I would call them: Santiago, Pontevedra (not Vigo), Lugo and Orense.

- Extremadura: Already only the province of Trujillo, had 400,000 inhabitants in 1600 almost as many as Catalonia on that date. 540,000 total I read in Wikipedia.

Extremadura should have a third province, call: Plasencia, Merida and Badajoz. O Caceres, Merida and Badajoz. And it should be a state of its own.

A list of Extremadura conquerors and explorers of the time: Hernan Cortes, Pizarro, Nuñez de Balboa, Ines Suarez, Pedro de Alvarado, Pedro de Valdivia, Hernando de Soto ... Finally, 3 provinces, would be 1 for every 13,000 km2. Extremadura at that time was not as bad as it is now.


- Portugal, I think it deserves some more province, 1 or 2 more. Especially in relation to Aragon

3- Appreciations of mine:

- I see that you like Aragon, you put a few provinces.

I would not put 4 provinces in Valencia, it has more than now, it's 22,000 km2 and it was not that important.

- What about the islands, anyway, I understand that the United Kingdom is to blame.

I do not like that they have 3 provinces in the Balearics.

- I, in Castile would put more provinces, such as Guadalajara and Segovia.

The power of Spain was in Castile, even in 1800 the Crown of Castile (400,000 km2) had 4 times the population of Aragon (100,000 km2). And between 1450-1600 the proportion was more beast.

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

- that there are few kingdoms, apart from Asturias, you can put the Kingdom of Navarre: Navarre, Basque Country and La Rioja.

That is to say: Galicia, Asturias, Leon, Castilla, Granada and Andalucia. Only in Castilla


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Thank you, and if you want more ideas about something in particular, ask for them, it's always a pleasure to be a colleague.

I made this thread, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...stilla-spain-with-data-and-documents.1091877/

and some of my contributions have been collected or you already agree.
 
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Hi
Thanks a lot, I like most of the changes. Here are my suggestions:

Geography:
1. Can you add the Segura river between Almeria and Albacete/Murcia?
2. Can you put some non-traspasable areas? I feel the hill type terrain doesn't do justice to some areas. This will also give us new toys to play with.
3. Please give Portugal one more province or two! And Castille also. For example Guipuzcoa, Valladolid, Guadalajara :D:D:D Specially Guipúzcoa though as many players are asking for more work in the basque area.
4. Also some of the ideas other players proposed. However I don´t think it´s that important. We have to consider the game spans until the XIX century and the provinces changed with the years.
5. I find interesting to have Tenerife as uncolonized. I didn´t think about that. Can you add an event to colonize it without having a colonist? To avoid Portugal inmediately grabbing it.

Development: Can we get a development map??
1. Please don´t make all the provinces have such a low development again. At least give us 2 or 3 with a medium-high development!

Trade goods: Can we get a trade goods map??
1. Here you have a map of the production of goods in Spain in the XVIII century. I think it would be nice to take ideas from here because that will be the century with the highest production in the game!
https://gestindelamemoria-felix.blogspot.com/2011/11/mapa-las-actividades-industriales-en-la.html
2. Can you add some leather provinces in the south and more iron provinces in the north?

Religion:
Since I´ve read that you will implement some new conversion mechanics, can you add something about the religious orders? (santiago, franciscanos, dominicos, etc) They played an important role in education and stability.

Thanks!
 
First, very well, thank you.

Second, the analysis:

1- Perfect:

- Kingdom of Galicia: Very well, it was a very populated and developed region during the course of the game.

https://www.abc.es/espana/20140210/abci-como-cataluna-volvio-rica-201402100444.html

- Kingdom of Granada: With Malaga and 2 forts. It was a war with mountainous areas and a very fortified region for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granada_War

- I appreciate the presence of Zamora, Avila, Palencia, Albacete and Huelva.

- I see an improvement in development in Iberia (500 vs 571), which I hope will go in its vast majority to Castilla


2 - Errors:

- Lleida in the State of Aragon. Or you put Zaragoza, and Zaragoza you name Calatayud. Or you name him as Aragon or Huesca. Lleida is antihistorical, anticultural.

- Castilla la Vieja should be Valladolid. Very important province, especially until 1600 and where, in addition, Medina del Campo was.

I leave this document on population of Spain (from page 400)

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

- The Galician provinces were: Lugo, Coruña, Betanzos, Orense, Mondoñedo, Santiago and Tuy. Santiago was more populated than Coruña. I would call them: Santiago, Pontevedra (not Vigo), Lugo and Orense.

- Extremadura: Already only the province of Trujillo, had 400,000 inhabitants in 1600 almost as many as Catalonia on that date. 540,000 total I read in Wikipedia.

Extremadura should have a third province, call: Plasencia, Merida and Badajoz. O Caceres, Merida and Badajoz. And it should be a state of its own.

A list of Extremadura conquerors and explorers of the time: Hernan Cortes, Pizarro, Nuñez de Balboa, Ines Suarez, Pedro de Alvarado, Pedro de Valdivia, Hernando de Soto ... Finally, 3 provinces, would be 1 for every 13,000 km2. Extremadura at that time was not as bad as it is now.


- Portugal, I think it deserves some more province, 1 or 2 more. Especially in relation to Aragon

3- Appreciations of mine:

- I see that you like Aragon, you put a few provinces.

I would not put 4 provinces in Valencia, it has more than now, it's 22,000 km2 and it was not that important.

- What about the islands, anyway, I understand that the United Kingdom is to blame.

I do not like that they have 3 provinces in the Balearics.

- I, in Castile would put more provinces, such as Guadalajara and Segovia.

The power of Spain was in Castile, even in 1800 the Crown of Castile (400,000 km2) had 4 times the population of Aragon (100,000 km2). And between 1450-1600 the proportion was more beast.

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

- that there are few kingdoms, apart from Asturias, you can put the Kingdom of Navarre: Navarre, Basque Country and La Rioja.

That is to say: Galicia, Asturias, Leon, Castilla, Granada and Andalucia. Only in Castilla


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Thank you, and if you want more ideas about something in particular, ask for them, it's always a pleasure to be a colleague.

I made this thread, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...stilla-spain-with-data-and-documents.1091877/

and some of my contributions have been collected or you already agree.
Bravo, i hurt my hands of aplauding
 
Nice update, some great work :)

Has the Fez tag been removed, since it is not released in the screenshot? I would also love to see the Balearic/Majorca and Algarve kingdoms as releasables in game.

Also, will there be an event chain to balkanize Morocco into Fez, Sus and Tafilalt around 1472?
 
Why have Leon and Asturias at the same time? It feels odd not only leon already is the tag for the Asturian-Leonese culture but also leon is more acurrate representation of the political situation of the period since kings of castille governed the lands of that culture as kings of leon since king of asturias was and old name of the kingdom, before the capital was move to Leon

Also if u wanted a new tag just add Majorca Kingdom since it never form part of catalonia within Aragon and even got a few independent kings in the past, also it will ve a new glorious mediterranian island country to add to the list if u added crete cyprus corsica and sicily, why not Majorca?
 
As Portuguese, this dev diary made me write my first ever commentary on these forums. First off, I would like to thank the whole team for their work and dedication, I have been a fan of EU4 since day one and am now encroaching on the 3.5k hours if I'm not mistaken, mostly multiplayer (yes, I know I should pump these numbers up).

Now, regarding the map changes. I would like to start by saying I am not displeased with them, as they have been a long time coming, but now that they are here, they seem a bit lackluster. I can't speak for my neighbours in the rest of the Peninsula regarding Lleida and how Aragon and Navarra were divided as I am not familiar with that, among other issues, but regarding Portugal itself it seems a bit of a counter sense that while dividing Galicia into four (nothing against that) you merely add 1 province to Portugal. The nation which effectively started the age of global empires (as we know them after the 15th century). The points raised above all make sense. Portugal has already been severely hampered by the new CoT system, which gave Castille a massive boost. On top of this, it can't maintain a steady flow of sailors, which is completely nonsensical for a country which maintained one of the most advanced/powerful navies in the world for around 150 years (yes, even under the Spanish Habsburgs) - add to this its complete lack of naval ideas, Portugal is a but a mere shadow of what it should/could be. I'm not advocating for out of nowhere national military ideas (although some sort of inf combat ability would be nice and would make more historical sense than some ideas out there) but not even heavy ship combat ability for the nation which both pioneered the carrack and won astounding naval battles in the Indian Ocean is appalling. But I digress. The fact that Portugal only gets 1 province added to it does little to counter building limitations or sailor issues - Ireland (a backwater in 1444 and for most of the game's period) got 11 provinces total to it a couple of patches ago - Portugal as is barely has the capacity to imitate what it did in real life without a friendly Castille player (of which there aren't many, easy Iberian clay is clay after all). Yes, Portugal can still bring in the money, but current map changes fall short of portraying its capabilities in the mid 15th century. We will have to wait and see if there any further changes of course.

I hope I did not come across as a raging fanboy, but this is something that has troubled me for some time now. My favourite nation is actually not even Portugal, I much rather play an European Spain game or Austria in multiplayer (and of course the Eternal England - yes I'm that kind of cunt).
 
When adding new provinces, please remember that Castille had almost 6 times more population than (the Spanish part of) Aragon during this time. Even Portugal was more populous.

Also, chage Lleida (although, don't change Urgell as some say, Lleida is not actually there either, but slightly more south), reduce the size of that Asturias and add a Mallorca as releasable tag.
 
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It is one thing I am wondering as well, I hope pirates will have mechanics to represent their huge naval successes.
I wish to see events about Tunis (Djerba) piracy as well and admiral Barbarossa.

Leader of Tétouan will be a woman by the way, how cool is that!
I do hope there will have better new piracy mechanic. Piracy in EU4 is a joke, although EU4 timeline is a golden age of pirates in both new world and old world (e.g. wako japan pirate, indian pirate, Madagascar, Persia Gulf). I always felt my trade route so safe as Great Britain and Spain. The only way to weak these trade powers income is piracy.
I only see OPM pirates Salé and Tétouan exist to be fed to i.e. Granada.
 
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First, very well, thank you.

Second, the analysis:

1- Perfect:

- Kingdom of Galicia: Very well, it was a very populated and developed region during the course of the game.

https://www.abc.es/espana/20140210/abci-como-cataluna-volvio-rica-201402100444.html

- Kingdom of Granada: With Malaga and 2 forts. It was a war with mountainous areas and a very fortified region for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granada_War

- I appreciate the presence of Zamora, Avila, Palencia, Albacete and Huelva.

- I see an improvement in development in Iberia (500 vs 571), which I hope will go in its vast majority to Castilla


2 - Errors:

- Lleida in the State of Aragon. Or you put Zaragoza, and Zaragoza you name Calatayud. Or you name him as Aragon or Huesca. Lleida is antihistorical, anticultural.

- Castilla la Vieja should be Valladolid. Very important province, especially until 1600 and where, in addition, Medina del Campo was.

I leave this document on population of Spain (from page 400)

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

- The Galician provinces were: Lugo, Coruña, Betanzos, Orense, Mondoñedo, Santiago and Tuy. Santiago was more populated than Coruña. I would call them: Santiago, Pontevedra (not Vigo), Lugo and Orense.

- Extremadura: Already only the province of Trujillo, had 400,000 inhabitants in 1600 almost as many as Catalonia on that date. 540,000 total I read in Wikipedia.

Extremadura should have a third province, call: Plasencia, Merida and Badajoz. O Caceres, Merida and Badajoz. And it should be a state of its own.

A list of Extremadura conquerors and explorers of the time: Hernan Cortes, Pizarro, Nuñez de Balboa, Ines Suarez, Pedro de Alvarado, Pedro de Valdivia, Hernando de Soto ... Finally, 3 provinces, would be 1 for every 13,000 km2. Extremadura at that time was not as bad as it is now.


- Portugal, I think it deserves some more province, 1 or 2 more. Especially in relation to Aragon

3- Appreciations of mine:

- I see that you like Aragon, you put a few provinces.

I would not put 4 provinces in Valencia, it has more than now, it's 22,000 km2 and it was not that important.

- What about the islands, anyway, I understand that the United Kingdom is to blame.

I do not like that they have 3 provinces in the Balearics.

- I, in Castile would put more provinces, such as Guadalajara and Segovia.

The power of Spain was in Castile, even in 1800 the Crown of Castile (400,000 km2) had 4 times the population of Aragon (100,000 km2). And between 1450-1600 the proportion was more beast.

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

- that there are few kingdoms, apart from Asturias, you can put the Kingdom of Navarre: Navarre, Basque Country and La Rioja.

That is to say: Galicia, Asturias, Leon, Castilla, Granada and Andalucia. Only in Castilla


End:

Thank you, and if you want more ideas about something in particular, ask for them, it's always a pleasure to be a colleague.

I made this thread, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...stilla-spain-with-data-and-documents.1091877/

and some of my contributions have been collected or you already agree.

This is amazing. I also add that the galician provinces should be in their own language if they are independent. I mean, they have "A Coruna" (pls devs add the ñ) and then Orense. If its in castillian it should be La Coruña and Orense, whereas in galician is A Coruña and Ourense. And using Tuy/Tui instead of Vigo for that province.

Also, as someone from Lugo I cannot believe Ourense took the southern part of the province from us!

Here is a map of the old 7 provinces.

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