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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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I won't pretend like i know their history better than the Spaniards, but i like the additions, it seems like Spain will be significantly stronger in the future. Portugal getting 1 province is not something i expected, but they likely got something to compensate for that. Also, love that Northern Africa is getting wrapped up here, that will tie in nicely with CoC Egypt, Arabia, etc.
 
Would'nt it be intresting to find a new name to this new province in Aragon called Lleida? Lleida has always been in Catalonia, not in Aragon. The right one could be Zaragoza, and the left one, Calatayud.
 
The West? Woot! Will we see a fix for wrong province names such as "Alicante", "Rousillon" or "The Baleares"?* Wouldn't it be more consistent to have all names of one culture group in the same language instead ofmixing three languages?

*Whole catalan culture group has its names in Catalan (València, Girona, Urgell...) but for "Alicante" (Alacant in Catalan/Valencian), "Rousillon" (Roselló in Catalan) and "The Baleares" (Les Balears in Catalan and The Balearic islands in English)

P.D. its Xàtiva and Castelló :)
 
Which design criteria is used by paradox when determining the number of provinces?

Off the top of my head chopping up a high Dev. province into smaller parcels each with less Dev has 3 consequences:

1. It becomes harder to fortify the area, easier for enemies to slip through
2. There are now three times the building slots ie. 3x the cost, but also 3 times the room for the +X forcelimit
3. It becomes significantly cheaper to develop the area as Dev cost go up exponentially ... developing 3 low dev provinces is much better than developing 1 high dev province.
4. Depending on if the now parcelled out province gets its own state or not ... it puts a drain on the state limitation.
 
Hi! Awesome news.
But the province names are a bit mixed up with the languages in the catalan-speaking areas. Castelló, València and Xàtiva are ok in catalan (Castellón, Valencia and Játiva in spanish), but Alicante (es) should be Alacant (cat), and the Balears are wrong: it should be Eivissa, Mallorca and Menorca. Eivissa (cat) is Ibiza (es), Mallorca and Menorca are written the same in spanish and catalan. Majorca is english.
If you need some help with the names contact me, I'm a native and I'd be happy to help :)
 
, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.


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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.

Oh some new provinces.
what were the number of provinces beforehand? Labourd has been added to Guyenne?
 
Which design criteria is used by paradox when determining the number of provinces?

Off the top of my head chopping up a high Dev. province into smaller parcels each with less Dev has 3 consequences:

1. It becomes harder to fortify the area, easier for enemies to slip through
2. There are now three times the building slots ie. 3x the cost, but also 3 times the room for the +X forcelimit
3. It becomes significantly cheaper to develop the area as Dev cost go up exponentially ... developing 3 low dev provinces is much better than developing 1 high dev province.
4. Depending on if the now parcelled out province gets its own state or not ... it puts a drain on the state limitation.

Counter intuitively, the above makes me believe the best approach would be to have large "relatively high" dev provinces in inhospitable historically sparsely populated regions ... and many smaller provinces in the densely populated regions. I havent taken a close look at the map for a long time, but I guess with the extra provinces added to India maybe it is what they are doing ?? but yeah Europe, Iberia, France, Italy, UK sure needs about 2x provinces then IMO
 
Devs need to work more. Do more research. This seems kind of lazy to be honest.

May I ask you what is it you find is lacking or being implemented lazily? The dev team is already working as much as they can, with milestones and deadlines that we endeavor to reach in an efficient and timely manner. Working more hours is not a solution when the development team is already on full-time – doing so would be counterproductive. Asking them to work more would be awful to them and would put the project in jeopardy.
 
Oh some new provinces.
what were the number of provinces beforehand? Labourd has been added to Guyenne?

castilla 26 provinces, 277 development

Aragon, 11 provinces, 117 development

portugal, 10 provinces, 114 development

Castilla, + 9
Portugal: +1
Aragon: + 5

Canary Islands: +1
 
May I ask you what is it you find is lacking or being implemented lazily? The dev team is already working as much as they can, with milestones and deadlines that we endeavor to reach in an efficient and timely manner. Working more hours is not a solution when the development team is already on full-time – doing so would be counterproductive. Asking them to work more would be awful to them and would put the project in jeopardy.
I hope you guys read the feedback, though. And next to reading it, actually doing something with it.

Gameplay feedback is generally listened to, but one for provinces seems to be lower priority? I don't know, just use Google Maps is my tip I guess.
 
Those are all matters of mismanagment rather than inability. Armada isn't written in stone, neither are poor economic policies and bankruptcies. Spain had the basis and ability to go toe to toe with French and Ottomans had it been better managed.
The episode of the Armada is only relevant because Britain makes such a huge deal of it to this day. It was a minor defeat that wasn't even relevant for the outcome of that war. The English Armada of the following year 1589 was an even more catastrophic defeat for England, yet nobody talks of it as some pivotal moment of history. Don't even mention Britain's disastrous attempt to take Cartagena de Indias in 1741.

History writing highlights particular events and hides others to construct a narrative, but actual history is just not as simple as that.
 
I'd say critics are too harsh. You, devs, spoiled us with excellent map changes in recent expansions. All were great and detailed and added a lot, was really good job. I am often quick to criticique, but map changes were great. Both India and Poland.

This Iberia change feels weaker tho, Castille and Portugal could get a bit more detail. Well now everyone expect 10/10 of you.. high expectations, tough life.

I'd rather have more quality in DLC, these map changes are ok. Recent balance changes and features were quite underwhelming.
 
Nice. Tbh i expected that Portugal will get a bit more.. they are so fragile. Castille has quite a few large provinces in the middle that could be happily halved.
More sea zones would be maybe interesting for naval game.

I agree. Portugal could use maybe two more provinces. Not sure where, but they could use them.
 
May I ask you what is it you find is lacking or being implemented lazily? The dev team is already working as much as they can, with milestones and deadlines that we endeavor to reach in an efficient and timely manner. Working more hours is not a solution when the development team is already on full-time – doing so would be counterproductive. Asking them to work more would be awful to them and would put the project in jeopardy.

@RodDel

Using google maps would be a good idea for example. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to google maps Lleida and see, welp this doesn't belong in that province at all.

I see the map and what you are saying doesn't correspond to the results. The map rework is not satisfactory and ahistorical. -> Asturias tag encompassing most of Castile and Lleida province.

You are saying the dev team is working as much as they can. But it doesn't show in the results. I see the map and I see things where they don't belong to.

Oh and if the devs work as much as they could like in the Irish update, maybe the could've added more than 1 province to Portugal. I can't believe what you've said. We've seen the rework of Ireland, and we've seen this. Ireland got more attention than the Iberian peninsula.
 
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Finally Tétouan is in the game *tears of joy*

Edit: It seems that the city of Tétouan is actually inside the Ceuta province, that province looks like it's based around Al Hoceima. Also you could've added a province east of Fez called Taza.
 
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Great dev diary ,like a lot the new changes but:

-As R Rex said,Asturias tag is unnecesary in the years that covers the game,is better add asturias province to leon tag and remove asturias tag,asturias tag has no sense in cantabria,palencia,burgos,vizcaya,rioja
-Kingdom of Mallorca tag is "obligatory" for the balearic islands state
-Basque state is neccesary it can be formed by Navarra,Vizcaya and a redrawed provice between labourd and bearn
-Pirineo province must be renamed to Huesca
-Zaragoza province must be renamed to Calatayud and Lleida province must be renamed to Zaragoza
-Castilla la vieja must be renamed to Valladolid
 
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