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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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On the contrary, between 1450-1600 the center was more inhabited than the coast. Castilla with 4 times the size of Aragon, had 6 times its population

Now it's the other way around, but we're in 2018.

In those days life on the coast was worse.

I advise you my thread:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...stilla-spain-with-data-and-documents.1091877/

And this document, from page 400


https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf
I stand corrected, thank you this is excellent (eye opening) data.
 
@neondt, I think everyone is happy with more provinces. However, the cultures change will make a lot of the nationalists feel happy because it reflects more accurately about their unique cultures. Please look into the Ottoman boobing; it is very scary when it eat half of Poland-Lithuanian. I think the Spanish empire should get Tercio unit and the Berber culture should get naval unit: Berber pirate. After you finished this immersion pack, please go finish the Southeast Asia region and please look into Buddhism. I understand your team is hard work and busy. I appreciated your hard work. However, Buddhism is required heavy rework to be beneficial like other religion, don't you think?
 
Considering the population ratio between Portugal and Castille, is it really surprising that Portugal doesn't get more provinces? Genuinely curious.
Castile lacks provinces too. It's just less noticeable because it's large. But Portugal was as populated as Aragon and much more than Ireland. And is much more important than both in History. Aragon will have 5 more provinces and Ireland 1 more.
 
It should be La Coruña if held by Spain, A Coruña if held by Galicia. The same as Oporto and the rest of Iberian provinces that have a Spanish name. The same goes for Orense/Ourense.

Nationalist aversion to "hispanicization" doesn't seem to play a part in this game, where tons of provinces all over the world are renamed when the holder's language has a name for them.

I have to disagree with this. Galician traditional names were the ones used largely by the Galician population until recently, and if we want real traditional names, we should use Crunia for example (and not Coruña) as I said before.
Spain doesn't exist at year 1444, there was a Crown of Castile composed of distinct kingdoms (kingdom of Castile, kingdom of Galicia, kingdom of León...) each of them with their own feudal institutions. I could accept "hispanicized" names in the game if the culture of the Galician provinces changes from Galician to Castilian, that would make sense.

Also I was talking about toponyms, nothing more. In my country, people who usually brings "Galician nationalists" to justify its positions about linguistics tends to be actually Spanish nationalists themselves...
 
Thanks for this! Great work!!!
I'm from A Coruña and I'm pleased to finally see my province in EU4, and you made my day with Galicia growing like that, my only concern is that Lugo should be the biggest province there, it looks a little weird as it is right now. Lugo should border the other three galician provinces. Maybe with a shape like this Pontevedra fits better as province name instead of Vigo

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Also I support the idea that Portugal deserves something more than one province in an Iberian update...
Anyway, good job, it's nice to see that you are listening to us.

I disagree. That 4-provinces division is a modern one from the XIX century, following the logic of a modern, centralistic Spanish state. In EU4 Galicia is still a feudal kingdom, there were actually 7 provinces (one for each city) in a feudal sense. In any case, I would suggest to replace Vigo (irrelevant at that time) with Tui (capital of its province with its own cathedral).
 
Nice to see Map changes. Although if they are done in the style of new India, you are going to reduce the amount of development per state in a way, that makes most of Iberia not worth putting in States.
Here the current dev map as reference

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It isn't quite current. That is for the 1.26 update. Where did all the Polish areas go?
 
Here's a critical analysis someone posted to reddit if anyone is interested:

https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/9mqda8/a_critical_analysis_of_the_map_update_of_iberia/


Also, the historical divisions of Iberia can be viewed through the 1591 census of the Iberian Union from Euratlas:

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Personally, I don't see why Santiago de Compostela is not a province in the place of Vigo in Galicia. It has been the capital of Galicia throughout the time period of EU4, as well as today, and has been one of the seven provinces of Galicia during EU4's time while Vigo and Pontevedra were not.

Additionally, Santiago de Compostela continues to be a major pilgrimage site since the 9th century as well as the site of one of the world's oldest universities. It is one of the most important economic centers in Galicia. Santiago de Compostela should be considered for the upcoming patch, and there should be a corresponding province modifier.


And a side thought, the province for the dukedom of Aveiro could possibly be represented by the dukedom of Viseu instead and Beira could have Castelo Branco as its capital.


Thanks for the good work and I look forward to seeing what's coming up next. :cool:
 
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Here's a critical analysis someone posted to reddit if anyone is interested:

https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/9mqda8/a_critical_analysis_of_the_map_update_of_iberia/


Also, the historical divisions of Iberia can be viewed through the 1591 census of the Iberian Union from Euratlas:

gI8rHYT.gif

Personally, I don't see why Santiago de Compostela is not a province in the place of Vigo in Galicia. It has been the capital of Galicia throughout the time period of EU4, as well as today, and has been one of the seven provinces of Galicia during EU4's time while Vigo and Pontevedra were not.

Additionally, Santiago de Compostela continues to be a major pilgrimage site since the 9th century as well as the site of one of the world's oldest universities. It is one of the most important economic centers in Galicia. Santiago de Compostela should be considered for the upcoming patch, and there should be a corresponding province modifier.


And a side thought, the province for the dukedom of Aveiro could possibly be represented by the dukedom of Viseu instead.


Thanks for the good work and I look forward to seeing what's coming up next. :cool:
Pontevedra was sizable enough, though. But I agree with your point on Viseu; it makes much more sense than Aveiro.
 
Any updates from the developers regarding if province additions can be made? A lot of people are asking for Portugal, Castile, and Aragon modifications.
 
Any updates from the developers regarding if province additions can be made? A lot of people are asking for Portugal, Castile, and Aragon modifications.
Let's see what they'll post later on. The day has just started for Sweden. ;)

But I'm as curious as you are, though. Especially in case of the fixes; additions are another topic for me.
 
I really, really don't want to start this debate. But I'll have to say that I firmly disagree with introducing a "Valencian" culture. As a catalanophile, I am hardly unbiased on this, I am aware that this is a highly politicized question in Spain and especially the Comunitat Valenciana and that there are very legitimate reasons for Valencians not to want to be associated with Catalan separatism (although I personally support that movement).
Suffice to say that I do not consider Valencian a separate language, and that there are no linguistic, cultural or political differences between Valencia, Catalonia and the Baleares in 1444 or in 1819 that would justify giving them different cultures.

Your reasoning is the same as saying that Aragon shouldn't have their own culture because Catalan and Castilian cultures are too similar.

It's only fair that Valencia should have their own culture , as well as Baleares. And this will also improve gameplay. I see perfectly feasible that Valencia pops out nationalian rebels within Aragon in times of crisis, and also there are already too many provinces with a Catalan culture, almost the same as Castilian if we count out leonese, Andalusian, etc , while their population in cataluña was much lower at the time.
 
Wasnt Urgell there already?

In 1.27, since Pireneo borders Navarre & Tarragona which both border the sea, a fort in Pireneo blocks movement past Navarre & Tarragona. Catalonia can still be occupied, but the rest of Iberia is protected by 1 mountain fort simultaneously stopping movement on both coasts.
 
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