EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

[perp22]

Please,
1. Lleida is not in Aragon, Zaragoza should be named as Calatayud and Lleida as Zaragoza. Lleida should be the name of Urgell.
2. Guadalajara and Segovia should be added, there were important cities in this period.
3. Castilla la Vieja should be named as Valladolid.
4. Extremadura should be named as Caceres.

 

[ghfr]

@neondt

Loving the changes so far! One minor comment though, a thing that has bothered me a little is that Seville has the Guadiana estuary and not the Guadalquivir. The river that goes through Seville, Córdoba and Jaén, is the Guadalquivir (Wikipedia, also, I live there xD). The Guadiana is the one on the border between Huelva and Algarve. Doesn't change the gameplay, but has always bothered me a little

Fun fact: Magellan's first circumnavigation started and ended at that river.

My friends play the game in Spanish and in the translation it seems to be correctly named Guadalquivir estuary.

PD: First comment jejejeje

 

[navaluiki]

I did one too for corrections.

I hope Paradox will see see our threads

 

[HottestRod]

While I do not agree with a harsh response, some changes on the map should be done to optimize it, since you won't (probably) touch Iberia in a long time after this. As I don't work for you, I can't give you data, but I do agree with the comentaries of Naranjito, at least in most part. In map changes, I recommend you to give another look into the southern part of Spain.

A fair point. I already drafted a few points based on the thread for the team. I can vouch that they have been actively reading suggestions and implementing a few changes here and there.

First of all, nice changes

Second, @RodDel & @neondt I just read this whole thread, and I noticed a very big change of tone after this post. Instead of receiving critic on the DD, a discussion started about multiple aspects of the post. I think this post was the turn around, since you showed that you were actively listening to the (sometimes harsh) feedback you received. This encouraged posters to give even more feedback.

Is it an idea, for every dev diary, to post a little update the day after the update to show the feedback that you take into account and that will the game? That way, people know they are heared, and are stimulated to give constructive feedback

It is a good idea, I'll dig into it to see if I can post a quick recap of amended elements. I can't guarantee it will be implemented, but I'll do my best. Thanks for the idea As mentioned above, I took the liberty of adding a few suggestions to my report. In addition (perhaps you've already seen it?) @neondt posted a few screenshots of amended map rework in the thread.

I'm just curious, 5 extra provinces for Aragon doesn't upset game balance?
If anything Aragon is already the most overpowered nation in Mediterranean. There are no historical grounds why its development is twice the Naples, Papal States or Milan. Those 4 should be close in strength / development, maybe with Milan a bit behind. And with 16 provinces I doubt that development of Aragon was reduced.
For most of 15-18th centuries Aragon was the most remote and backwards region in Iberia, how come it gets so much flavor?

There were plenty of Iberia suggestions, none were complaining about Aragon and none suggested as many as 5 new provinces.

Can't say that 16 provinces are bad. Actually it is quite ideal, just that for Aragon it is like end product - it's hard to think of potential province which is still missing. While for Portugal and Castile there are still plenty of missing important provinces.

Portugal and Castile definitely are not on par with Aragon in Iberia and this patch only about to increase the distance. Neither all the rest of Mediterranean is on par with Aragon.

I'll pass your feedback to the devs! Cheers BalticM!

For Castile. First of all modern Spain doesn´t even look close regarding developement of what Castile was. By this I mean that in the 15th century Valladolid (NOT CASTILLA LA VIEJA, THATS A TERM TO DEFINE ALL OF PRIMITIVE CASTILE) was one of the major cities in the Peninsula, along with Burgos, considered the jew of Castile (just look for its Catedrale on the internet), Segovia (seat of the monarchs of de Trastamara) which was the political capital and Salamanca(in Salamanca we find the most important school of thought during the 15th century). In the north we find Zamora, a city famous for its walls and Leon, both of which have declined as wool trade, most important activity in late medieval Castile was focused on the Castilian side of the northern plateau. We also find the basque ports, which I strongly suggest adding as they had an enormous importance in trade in the Cantabrian sea, main focus of Castile trade. If we look to the center we are missing Guadalajara, possible to split it from Cuenca, as not only was it an important city, but splitting Cuenca into 2 would give Castile more ways of planning a defense against Aragon. Madrid was a small town in this era, and I think you should make a chain of events that make it develop from an insignificant town to one of the biggest european cities, it would be really cool, and it would make Castilian players feel that their nation is advancing, developing, getting richer. Extremadura is another place where I´m confused, how Galicia has such a big detail while Extremadura, a really important place at this era has 2 provinces. I suggest spliting thosue into 4 so we can se the depth of the region, which, I insist was way richer than it is today. Splitting it will also give a bigger and more detailed frontier with portugal, which will make the situation in the peninsula way more interesting. Now lets turn to Toledo state. In this state we find almaden mine, the biggest mercury mine in the world by this time, and don´t forget that you cant get silver without mercury. I sugges splitting Toledo and La mancha into 2 provinces each, maybe getting Ocaña and Ciudad real. And finally the south, andalusia. Cordoba was the biggest city of europe in the 10th century, it isnt son important anymore, but it isnt as porr as it is represented, I would suggest getting its development up, and adding a chain of events or decisions for Andalusia in which you can restore it to its former glory, get it to produce cloth, silk, etc and be the an impressive capital of the restored Caliphate. About Sevilla and Huelva, I think it is a good idea to split them, though I would still suggest geting 3 provinces there, as it would greatly help castile with naval task. But pleas, don´t make the mistake of letting Sevile as a poor city from the start, it was a huge city and during the 16th and 17th century it grew a lot, until it was hit by a plague. Sevile from the start should have good tradegoods as it produced them and should also be no less of 20 dev, also please leave in that province both the estuary and the COT, as it was one of the biggest centers of trade for a lot of time. I would suggest an event making it the port to the new world be more powerful and another event after the 18th century which lets you decide if you want to change it to Cadiz, as it happened historically. We are only missing murcia, which honestly I would ask to be split between cartagena and murcia, with spain having the option to make cartagena into his major shipyard, thus giving it a bonus or something to reflect what happened historically. I`m also going to ask for making Malaga in Granada a COT, as it was one of the biggest ports in Iberia in the 15th century with trade flowing from all directions, also I suggest giving Granada the province of Baza to let her try to defend against castile because right now castile can stackwipe granada in a month, but with a fort in baza granada can try things. Finally I want to talk about the Canarian islands because although I agree Castile didnt colonice it till after 1444 it is also important to understand that nobody besides castile held claim to it, and as I have seen that you have left it it seems portugal will always take it or in mp games some european colonicer that researchs quicker than spain.


So, to sum up,
1. Castile could get a bit of love in the basque region, splitting Vizcaya into 2 or even 3
2. Get Segovia as a province as it was hugely important and get Castilla la vieja renamed to Valladolid and maybe Toro splitted from Zamora to give more strategic depth there
3.In the center it would be positive to get Guadalajara splitted from Cuenca and Toledo and La Mancha splitted into 2
4. Extremadura with 4 provinces, you could even make it so religious orders control part of it with a modifier or something
5. In the south get Cordoba not to be horribly poor, maybe get a 3rd province in the bay of Seville, split Murcia into Cartagena and Murcia, get Baza to give a little strategic depth to Granada and make Malaga a COT (you could remove the one from Toledo if you dont want more cot in Iberia)
6. Make some kind of chain of events so Castile can colonize Canarias
7.Get developement in the Castile region, (Burgos, Soria, Valladolid, Segovia, Salamanca, Cantabria) higher as they were really rich places then.

I hope you take some of this into consideration to make Castile more fun and enjoying to play

Portugal needs to have at least 15 or 16 provinces, think about balance please. All other countries that go colonial have a good base to start with. And hey, I´m not saying that Portuguese mainland has to be as rich as the whole France, but at least not be laughable. I think other people have exposed already that more provinces is always better for a country, as buildings that give flat modifiers have more use in them. Right now you can play as England, get a lot of wealth and then use that wealth to get your mainland rich and develop, it is an actual option, and many of us don´t just enjoy blobbing and having the biggest name in the map. Some people want to conquer half of the world, other people want to play historically accurate, other want to face challenges, other want eu4 to play mp game, other people want to get achievements and some want to play tall. Last map updates, from Russia to the last Indian one have added lots of new provinces, which actually allow these different playstyles to be done. For example now I can play Japan as a tall,rich,developed nation having colonies in Korea, China, etc, or I can play Japan and try to do my japanese empire. The key is that I can choose what to do, which I couldn´t before Japan got a decent number of provinces. Until now Iberia, and specially portugal was unplayable in some ways. Sure I can beat the ai and conquer half of North Africa if I want, but maybe (and that´s my case) I don´t like to blob, or I don´t want to get ahistorical path, it´s ok. But you know what I can´t do right now, I can´t play a tall Portugal game because the ammount of provinces it has doesn´t allow it. I mean, we are talking about Portugal, one of the most powerful countries in the 15th century, but it still has less provinces than Ireland, an island that had 0 impact in world history during that time (no mean to offend). My suggestion for Portugal would be trying to give her more coastal provinces in her mainland, so it can maintain a decent navy early in the game and can do things ( Portugal can´t even get 20 light ships patrolling plus a 10 heavy ships). If the idea with this patch is giving Portugal some unique bonus and just that I will be really dissapointed, because it will mean Portugal can´t have the level of detail of Ireland, the Arabian desert or Morocco (by no mean I think those areas dont have to have detail).

Finally Aragon. It is important to understand that Aragon had a triple reality, Aragon , Valencia and Catalonia. Aragon region wasn´t really rich, nor was it densily populated, yet it became one of the dominant kingdoms in the late Middle ages fighting toe to toe with France. So how did a nation poorer, more sparsely populated, with less resources, les manpower beat france. The answer is simple, its organization. The Aragon state in the game is where Aragonese traditions still live, more rural area, nobles had more influence. In the game we could have Huesca (actual Pirineos) as it should be the correct name, then Barbastro, the actual mountains, then Teruel in the South, Zaragoza in the middle and Calatayud too, as those are the 4 important areas in which aragon can be divided. Then there is Catalonia, catalonia had been rich in the 12 and 13 century but in the 15 it was Valecia who took the major role as trading area. Catalonia could be divided in Rosellon (which by the way I like how you guys made it distinctive to make it more feasible for France to take it), then Girona (not really rich region and sparsely populated), down from Girona there is barcelona, which should be a nice city but dont have a lot of manpower as, I insist, aragon didnt have the manpower castile had. Down from Barcelona there is Tarragona. And my only suggestion comes with Urgell. I would split it into 2, Lleida and Urgell, Urgell being the catalan counterpart to the Pyrinees and Lleida being a flat terrain. I like how Valencia was doing, giving more strategic depth to it so no comments to that, though you may add a province in the interior that can protect Xativa and Valencia so in case of war Castile doesnt instasiege Valencia. The baleares are good but I wouldnt put a tag on it as it doesnt really make sense historically apart from some disputes in the late medieval ages.

As a sum up I think Aragon is the only Iberian part in which I think there is already a decent number of provinces and a decent detail, though Lleida.....
1. Split Pirineos into Barbastro, being the mountain part and Huesca being only hills
2. Get Calatayud in Aragon state as it was a really important city
3. Get Lleida to Catalonia state, and maybe split Urgell in 2, leaving Urgell to be the mountain part and Lleida the less mountainous part
4. Maybe get a province more in Valencia that can act as a fort to block

Meaty feedback, just how I like it! As usual, no guarantee everything will be implemented but I'll pass it on to the team!

In the current map, the Asturias region is flat (grasslands, might it be?). Actually, it might be easily one of the most mountainous regions in Spain. The mountains there are not going to be Swiss level mountains nor Pyrinees level mountains, but I'd say that "grasslands" is plainly wrong.

Some info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asturias#Geography_and_climate (this is the english version, the spanish version, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geografía_de_Asturias, says that the regions is mountainous). There is also a list of mountains and peaks in https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Montañas_de_Asturias. I would say that 170 mountains, each one having a height around 2000 meters shouldn't qualify as "grassland".

The thing with Asturias is that it is a line of mountains in the south of the region, bordering with Leon, then a hilly landscape until you get to the coast. Development there should be low, especially in the Trade section (I guess trade would be the best value representing things like roads and the like), because building roads in Asturias has always been expensive and complex.

It's a minor thing, but it would be more correct. Also, once the industrial revolution kicked in, Asturias began to be famous by its coal. The coal was actually of a lower quality than that of England or Germany, but it might be a source of coal in the game. Maybe having a low production figure could do it.

Wouldn't the mountain be an issue when trying to pass troops in Asturias? I'll talk to the team about that (and also about the coal element following industrial revolution, but that might be out of the scope of the game, right?)

Huh? Is this is what happens when you learn history from playing EU4?

 

[tommassi]

Wouldn't the mountain be an issue when trying to pass troops in Asturias? I'll talk to the team about that (and also about the coal element following industrial revolution, but that might be out of the scope of the game, right?)

There is a reason why Christians only resisted the muslim invasion in the 8th century in Asturias, Cantabria and a few other places: that it was a big issue to pass troops through those mountains. Any Galician province should be hilly, as well as any basque province that is close to the sea. Asturias and Cantabria should be mountains, both of them.

As for Aragón, Calatayud should be at least highlands, Zaragoza I would probably make it grasslands and not drylands (it´s true that most of the land is dry, but the lands by the river are extremely fertile), Teruel same kind of terrain as Calatayud. Having Urgell as just one province poses a problem when choosing terrain: north is mountains, south is flat. If you were to divide that province in two, the northern one should be mountains just the same as Huesca, the southern one probably the same terrain you choose for Zaragoza (lots of dry lands surrounding very fertile river banks). Tarragona is quite hilly, but you have it as flat, just the same as Barcelona. Gerona should be mountains, not hills. And last but not least, Navarre... though one. Mountains to the east, but just hills to the west of it. If it has no access to sea, I´d keep it to mountains.

 

[McOmghall]

They would be imposed if anyone was being forced to use them. Are Galician speakers that say Moscova or Bruxelas imposing these exonyms on the inhabitants of these cities?

Exactly my point: they were forced to use them through cultural repression of Galician culture (and forced Castillian language everywhere). Nobody forces Galician place names on anyone, we didn't conquer Russia or Belgium.

 

[Bizkit II]

For Castile. First of all modern Spain doesn´t even look close regarding developement of what Castile was. By this I mean that in the 15th century Valladolid (NOT CASTILLA LA VIEJA, THATS A TERM TO DEFINE ALL OF PRIMITIVE CASTILE) was one of the major cities in the Peninsula, along with Burgos, considered the jew of Castile (just look for its Catedrale on the internet), Segovia (seat of the monarchs of de Trastamara) which was the political capital and Salamanca(in Salamanca we find the most important school of thought during the 15th century). In the north we find Zamora, a city famous for its walls and Leon, both of which have declined as wool trade, most important activity in late medieval Castile was focused on the Castilian side of the northern plateau. We also find the basque ports, which I strongly suggest adding as they had an enormous importance in trade in the Cantabrian sea, main focus of Castile trade. If we look to the center we are missing Guadalajara, possible to split it from Cuenca, as not only was it an important city, but splitting Cuenca into 2 would give Castile more ways of planning a defense against Aragon. Madrid was a small town in this era, and I think you should make a chain of events that make it develop from an insignificant town to one of the biggest european cities, it would be really cool, and it would make Castilian players feel that their nation is advancing, developing, getting richer. Extremadura is another place where I´m confused, how Galicia has such a big detail while Extremadura, a really important place at this era has 2 provinces. I suggest spliting thosue into 4 so we can se the depth of the region, which, I insist was way richer than it is today. Splitting it will also give a bigger and more detailed frontier with portugal, which will make the situation in the peninsula way more interesting. Now lets turn to Toledo state. In this state we find almaden mine, the biggest mercury mine in the world by this time, and don´t forget that you cant get silver without mercury. I sugges splitting Toledo and La mancha into 2 provinces each, maybe getting Ocaña and Ciudad real. And finally the south, andalusia. Cordoba was the biggest city of europe in the 10th century, it isnt son important anymore, but it isnt as porr as it is represented, I would suggest getting its development up, and adding a chain of events or decisions for Andalusia in which you can restore it to its former glory, get it to produce cloth, silk, etc and be the an impressive capital of the restored Caliphate. About Sevilla and Huelva, I think it is a good idea to split them, though I would still suggest geting 3 provinces there, as it would greatly help castile with naval task. But pleas, don´t make the mistake of letting Sevile as a poor city from the start, it was a huge city and during the 16th and 17th century it grew a lot, until it was hit by a plague. Sevile from the start should have good tradegoods as it produced them and should also be no less of 20 dev, also please leave in that province both the estuary and the COT, as it was one of the biggest centers of trade for a lot of time. I would suggest an event making it the port to the new world be more powerful and another event after the 18th century which lets you decide if you want to change it to Cadiz, as it happened historically. We are only missing murcia, which honestly I would ask to be split between cartagena and murcia, with spain having the option to make cartagena into his major shipyard, thus giving it a bonus or something to reflect what happened historically. I`m also going to ask for making Malaga in Granada a COT, as it was one of the biggest ports in Iberia in the 15th century with trade flowing from all directions, also I suggest giving Granada the province of Baza to let her try to defend against castile because right now castile can stackwipe granada in a month, but with a fort in baza granada can try things. Finally I want to talk about the Canarian islands because although I agree Castile didnt colonice it till after 1444 it is also important to understand that nobody besides castile held claim to it, and as I have seen that you have left it it seems portugal will always take it or in mp games some european colonicer that researchs quicker than spain.


So, to sum up,
1. Castile could get a bit of love in the basque region, splitting Vizcaya into 2 or even 3
2. Get Segovia as a province as it was hugely important and get Castilla la vieja renamed to Valladolid and maybe Toro splitted from Zamora to give more strategic depth there
3.In the center it would be positive to get Guadalajara splitted from Cuenca and Toledo and La Mancha splitted into 2
4. Extremadura with 4 provinces, you could even make it so religious orders control part of it with a modifier or something
5. In the south get Cordoba not to be horribly poor, maybe get a 3rd province in the bay of Seville, split Murcia into Cartagena and Murcia, get Baza to give a little strategic depth to Granada and make Malaga a COT (you could remove the one from Toledo if you dont want more cot in Iberia)
6. Make some kind of chain of events so Castile can colonize Canarias
7.Get developement in the Castile region, (Burgos, Soria, Valladolid, Segovia, Salamanca, Cantabria) higher as they were really rich places then.
8. Get developement in Leon.

I hope you take some of this into consideration to make Castile more fun and enjoying to play

fix

More info about Valladolid:

Medina del Campo grew in importance thanks to its fairs held during the 15th and 16th centuries. This helped with banking and the businesses of wool, textiles, books and an enormous variety of other goods. As the population increased, the town expanded outward toward the plain of Zapardiel brook. Since then, the Padilla Street became the business centre of Medina.

In 1489 a great trade agreement, that would last for 96 years, united the kingdoms of Spain and England with the reduction of trade tariffs, the recognition of France as a common enemy, and the marriage of Catherine of Aragon to King Henry VII's son, Prince Arthur (and later to King Henry VIII) - this was known as the Treaty of Medina del Campo (1489).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina_del_Campo

 

[Resbeltz]

As others have said, I think Navarra needs to be reworked, it was already a pretty challenging nation that only had 2 viable strategies, an exodus game, or managing to conquer Aragon with the help of Castile/France before the IW fires, if you remove the port the only viable strategy will be conquering Aragon. It might not be completely historically accurate (although they didn't lose their coastline that long ago), but sometimes you need to prioritize gameplay over realism.


Not to mention, Navarre's ideas are completely useless without a port (and they are obviously based on the basques that were conquered by Castile, not in Navarre). I think adding more provinces to the basque region (dividing Bizkaia into more provinces, giving Navarra a new province by splitting it into Lower/Higher Navarre, thus accurately portraying how the kingdom survived after the southern side was conquered by Castile), and maybe giving Navarra cores in some of them (after all, it's the only basque nation in the game) would be a great idea as well.

 

[tommassi]

Navarre would be a great country to play with in 1444... if only the family mechanics of CK2 were available in EU4. The king of Navarre in 1444 (John) was the brother of the king of Aragon, and ended up succeeding him in 1458. By then Carlos de Viana was the heir for both crowns, which of course points in the direction of a PU between Navarre and Aragon. Not sure how this could be reflected via events, but there is a similar situation with Brandenburg and Ansbach that is reflected.

Then of course Carlos and John went to war and long story short it all ended up with Fernando being heir and marrying Isabel.

Anyway: it would be nice to have all of this reflected. The Iberian Wedding seems to happen way to often and to be way too deterministic, when things could've happened completely different given the situation.

 

[Metz]

Can Toulouse be split in the south to create Foix? It will help as a counterweight for a stronger Spain and an additional obstacle for Spanish armies crossing the Pyrenees.

 

[perp22]

As I told,

Guadalajara was one of the most important Renaissance cities in Spain (mainly in XV and XVI century) and the main home of the powerfull Mendozas family with their famous palace called Palacio del Infantado (one of the first Renaissance buildings built in Spain). Mendozas was one of the main suporters of Isabela and Ferdinand.

Segovia was one of the most importan cities in Spain in XV and XVI centuries too. Trastamaras Dinasty spend a lot of time there and was the political capital for many times (Isabella and Ferdinand lived there for long periods).

Please, include this two imortant cities!!!

 

[Metz]

Additionally, for name localizations, when Spain owns The Hague, it should be renamed to La Hoya.

 

[mrc92]

Here are my two cents for Portugal map changes.

Firstly, why Aveiro? Viseu is of a much more historical importance and significance.

Secondly, you should consider add more provinces to Portugal and I'll name a few, with historical importance. Braga/Guimarães, Leiria, Santarém, Setúbal. Almost every province in Portugal could be reshaped to two. But mostly this, add a province between Lisboa and Beja (Setúbal), one between Lisboa and Évora (Santarém), one between Lisboa and Coimbra (Leiria), one between Coimbra and Bragança (Viseu) and split Bragança to add Braga/Guimarães.

Even if for balance you have to reduce development in Portugal, you'll be adding more coastal and more land provinces that could really add flavour and strategical depth to Portugal.

 

[McOmghall]

Additionally, for name localizations, when Spain owns The Hague, it should be renamed to La Hoya.

Almost, "La Haya" https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Haya

 

[navaluiki]

As I told,

Guadalajara was one of the most important Renaissance cities in Spain (mainly in XV and XVI century) and the main home of the powerfull Mendozas family with their famous palace called Palacio del Infantado (one of the first Renaissance buildings built in Spain). Mendozas was one of the main suporters of Isabela and Ferdinand.

Segovia was one of the most importan cities in Spain in XV and XVI centuries too. Trastamaras Dinasty spend a lot of time there and was the political capital for many times (Isabella and Ferdinand lived there for long periods).

Please, include this two imortant cities!!!

I included both of them in my suggestion. Perhaps you can pass by and see how I would fo the map.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/a-few-suggestions-for-iberia.1123194

 

[Metz]

Additionally, for name localizations, when Spain owns The Hague, it should be renamed to La Hoya.

Mistake, the correct name is La Haya after double checking.

 

[Naranjito]

1- that's very, very unlikely that Galicia ever had half the population of Portugal. Not even sure it surpassed Lisbon's area in 1800. Not sure either of the reliability of pop census by the time. Nowadays Portugal is 4x more populated even being the european country with the biggest proportion of its population in foreign countries (more portuguese people in Europe and North America than in Portugal, so yes, even without counting ex colonies).

2- Province numbers are not only a matter of size. That being said, now do the comparison with Aragon or Ireland instead of Castile, which lacks provinces too anyway.

Yes, and Catalonia now has three times Galicia and in 1800 it had little more than half.

Madrid now goes for triple too, and in 1800 Galicia could have 4 times the population of Madrid.

It is more I raise it to Avila and Segovia, that in 1500-1600 they had almost the population of Catalonia and now they must be 20 times less.

Everything changes, the problem is to look with the eyes of 2018, and then Xativa or Ibiza appears, and Segovia or Guadalajara do not appear.

Galicia was the richest region of Spain between 1700-1800, it had 11-12% of the population of the country, it was the current Catalonia

. From page 400

https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

https://www.abc.es/espana/20140210/abci-como-cataluna-volvio-rica-201402100444.html

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

I saw a post on Reddit about the Kingdom of the Canarias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Canary_Islands). It should be a vassal under Castille in 1444. It was put in place to conquer the rest of the Canarias. I can see a place for it similar to Medina/Hejaz for the Mamluks.

Say, a mission to finish conquering the Canarias. If Castille starts a colony on Tenerife, the mission completes, and places it under their control of the vassal (perhaps make it an Iberian Frontier on the technical side) until it completes. Completing the conquest would finish another mission, annexing them and granting Castille some Papal Influence, or trade power.

 

[Gunthah]

Exactly my point: they were forced to use them through cultural repression of Galician culture (and forced Castillian language everywhere). Nobody forces Galician place names on anyone, we didn't conquer Russia or Belgium.

Galicia has never been conquered by Spain, Castile or any other Spanish kingdom. It's been ruled by whoever was ruling the kingdoms of Asturias, Leon and Spain, successively, since the 8th century until this day.

From the late middle ages and up until the 19th century, having an education in Galicia meant for the most part being educated in Spanish, because this was the language of the administration, centred in Castile. Nobody had an evil plan to eradicate Galician, which was the collection of popular romances spoken by most people, with Spanish being increasingly spoken in the cities. People who spoke Spanish whether inside or outside Galicia would use traditional Spanish names such as Orense and La Coruña for places in Galicia, and would use whatever Galician name it had when referring to a place that didn't have a Spanish name.

With 19th century Romantic literary movements, Galician was standardised and promoted as an appropriate language for literature and education. With no one suppressing anything.

During Franco's dictatorship the state tried to get everyone to speak Spanish, it didn't use Galician in education or in dealings with the administration and it promoted Spanish as the proper language as opposed to what it saw as backward Galician. At this time many local place names were crudely adapted to Spanish, such as the famous case of Sanjenjo.

This is most definitely not the case since the transformations of the late 70s and early 80s. The regional administration today works mostly in Galician, it promotes its use and calls places by their Galician names. Also people have been educated either both in Galician and Spanish or only in Galician, when nationalists were in power.

I struggle to see any imposition today or at any time other than the four decades of dictatorship. Both Galician and Spanish have been spoken in Galicia to varying degrees before, during and after the only period of repression and imposition there has been.

A different matter is that of those that want to make everyone in Galicia speak one language, of which there are many more in power that want only Galician than only Spanish. In general, most people seem to be fine with letting people choose what they want to speak and they use Spanish or Galician place names when speaking Spanish on a case by case basis. So many say Orense while viewing Sanjenjo as a ridiculous adaptation.

 

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I must say that I am not convinced by such a province in Aragon, nor the Islands, I hope that the islands are at least 1-1-1 each.

Because that is another issue, I hope that it is resolved that Rosellon (minor miniprovince) or Cantabria (miniprovince) have more development than Burgos, Leon or Valladolid / Castilla.
Rosellon should be a 4/5. Cantabria 6

In short, based on the basis of this document https://castellavetula.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1829-libro-de-los-millones.pdf

The friend BalticM did some calculations, here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...stilla-spain-with-data-and-documents.1091877/ I'm going to copy them:

1594:
1. Toledo - 1.415k
2. Andalusia - 1.083k
3. Leon - 962k
4. Valladolid - 877k
5. Burgos - 672k
6. Galicia - 629k
7. Extramadura - 562k
8. Granada - 502k
9. Valencia - 487k (without Balearic Islands)
10. Aragon - 355k
11. Basque - 341k (2 provinces only)
12. Catalonia - 323k (all 5 provinces including Roussillon, though data is a bit older for Catalonia)

1787

1. Galicia - 1.346k
2. Andalusia - 1.167k
3. Toledo - 1.137k
4. Granada - 999k
5. Leon - 975k
6. Catalonia - 814k (without Roussillon)
7. Valencia - 783k (without Balearic Islands)
8. Burgos - 636k
9. Aragon - 623k
10. Valladolid - 602k
11. Basque - 536k (2 provinces only)
12. Extramadura - 417k

1594

1. Valladolid - 28 (persons / km2)
2. Valencia - 21
3. Galicia - 21
4. Leon - 20
5. Burgos - 19
6. Basque - 19
7. Andalusia - 18
8. Toledo - 18
9. Extramadura - 13
10. Granada - 11
11. Catalonia - 9
12. Aragon - 7

1787

1. Galicia - 45 (persons / km2)
2. Valencia - 34
3. Basque - 30
4. Catalonia - 25
5. Granada - 21
6. Leon - 20
7. Andalusia - 20
8. Valladolid - 19
9. Burgos - 18
10. Toledo - 14
11. Aragon - 13
12.Extramadura - 10

I hope you keep in mind, I already said that in provinces like Segovia or Avila you can put mountains (real), that most of Castile can be made plateaus, hills, forests ... that is, land that harms development . Talk about Castilian / Spanish (real) disasters as Hispanic bankruptcies (which affect income and development as it happened) or add an inflation mechanism for gold, silver and tariffs with the colonies.

But it is a fact that Castilla and Extremadura should have some more province, that Extremadura has 2 provinces per area (40,000 km2) and development between 1450-1600 is an absurdity.
How absurd is the importance given to Catalonia and Valencia, if Valencia 3 provinces but not 4.

Please, analyze the data, I understand that England was from less to more, and Spain from more to less. But with a harmful terrain and some disaster (if you meet the requirements logically) can be solved.