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HoI 4 - Dev Diary: America Rework

Hello, and welcome back to another dev diary! Today we are going to talk about Freedom. Freedom from Fear. Freedom from Want. Freedom from having to vote for a presidential candidate every four years.


The vanilla US focus tree offered some interesting alternate-history scenarios, but if you wanted to play historical, you pretty much sat around doing very little until the war started. Part of this is the fundamental design problem of the US in a historical grand-strategy game: if we allow the US to freely enter the war when it has even a fraction of its historical economy, the Axis never makes it into Paris and the war ends in 1940. If we restrict the US from entering the war freely until its historical date, the US player sits around until late 1941 doing very little (there is a reason why my usual go-to scenario in HoI2 and HoI3 was “Play France until you lose, then switch to the US”).


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So one of the goals we had for this rework was to give the player a bit more stuff to actually do during the lead-up to the war. Making the path out of the depression a little more involved was an obvious place to start. Instead of a single national spirit, it is now three levels that give a smoother curve out of the depression. But instead of just taking three focuses in a row to do what could previously be done in one, we wanted the player to have to work a lot more to get out of the depression.


Enter the script-based Congress Mechanic. The Congress mechanic is - for now - unique to the US and simulates the shifting majorities in both houses of Congress. It ties into a lot of things that we will get into in a bit. But on a fundamental level, taking the focuses that reduce the penalties from the great depression will require you to have a majority in both houses, but will also reduce your support once you have taken it to simulate members of Congress who voted for the proposal being unwilling to support you further without getting something in return.


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You can gain and lose support from random events as well as midterm and presidential elections. Generally speaking, going with the incumbent means you are more likely to lose support in Congress in the election, and if the situation is particularly dire, going with the challenger will flip support and opposition. Beyond this, a number of decisions allow you to gain support in congress, from simple lobbying to bribing members of Congress by investing in their constituencies to just regularly bribing them.


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Besides getting out of the depression, you’ll also need to get Congress to sign off on the Selective Service Act, which is the gatekeeper focus of the army modernization branch, and the Two Ocean Navy Act, which is the gatekeeper focus for the naval branch. The amount of support you need depends on your war support (in general, you can assume that every focus with “Act” somewhere in its title ties into the Congress mechanic).


Another aspect we wanted to add was to give the US player a choice to become more active in the world earlier. As I said above, that comes with host of issues. We want it to be a viable option, but not a no-brainer. This means that there will be a number of restrictions in the “Limited Intervention” branch. First, you’ll have to have enough support in Congress to take the focus (and a lack of war support means that quite a few member of Congress will break ranks over it). Afterwards, you will have to choose between focusing your efforts on preparing to intervene in Europe or in Asia. Taking either of these focuses unlocks a number of decisions to try and build public support for an intervention. Many of these decisions are tied to events around the world - here the US is protesting the Anschluss.


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However, there is only a small window to utilize these events. Each decision adds something that is internally called an “intervention strike” as in “three strikes and you’re out”, except in this case it’s “three strikes and we start bombing”. A generic decision allows to build support against a target if they do not have specific decisions associated with them. Finally, once a country has two strikes against them, you can petition congress to sanction an intervention, which will again require significant support (it is easier to gain a wargoal against a country that is at war, and easier still if they are in an aggressive war).


This will likely make it harder for you to pursue your other goals - so if you want to intervene in Europe on behalf of the Allies, you will most likely have to forego economic reforms, at least for a while.


The intervention mandates are also used to allow the US to intervene in the Americas if someone violates the Monroe doctrine.


Intervention in general is something you can prepare a lot better now by using war plans. Completing the focuses unlocks a decision to execute the corresponding war plan and gain a temporary bonus against a country, along with some other temporary bonuses.


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Of course, by this point a statistical majority of you might wonder why you even bother with all this busy-work, bribing senators, cutting deals with representatives, when there is a world to be won. As promised, we also wanted to add proper alternate ideology branches for the US. As we said many months ago in the Dev Diary about South Africa, we also look to try and open up new areas of the map for warfare, to allow you to fight in different areas than trudging across the same old parts of Europe.


So we wanted to have a nice big Civil War in the US. We want tank battles south of Chicago. Naval landings in Florida. A brutal slog across the Rocky Mountains. So we decided to not just put in one civil war but two! That’s a whole 100% MORE CIVIL WAR!


You’ll have to fight a civil war in either of the alternate ideology branches. For the curious: the branches straight down from the WPA and Adjusted Compensation Act are democratic ideology branches and will be part of the free update, the branches starting with Suspend the Prosecution and America First will be part of the DLC.


In the left branch, appropriately enough, you soften up your stance towards the communists. You can do this even if you don’t intend to go fully communist, as it opens up new ways of gaining support in Congress. If you do decide to be more radical, you can desegregate the American society, which will trigger protests from the usual suspects. The protests by themselves don’t do anything, but if you decide to push harder towards communism, the protests will intensify and eventually spill over. The Unions Representation Act is another such trigger that will cause protests.


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Before the civil war breaks out, there is a “Point of No Return” after which it is merely a question of time until hostilities start. In the time between the Point of No Return and the actual start of the war, you’ll get a number of events telling you how the situation develops. These events have actual effects on how your position is like at the start of the war.


For example, if an event tells you that a state has mobilized the national guard, the revolter gets a fully-equipped and quite capable division when the war starts. These events aren’t intended to make the difference between winning and losing but to give the war a bit more flavor.


Once the war starts in the communist branch, it is not quite like a regular civil war. Instead of the country and the military splitting in half, it spawns a new tag (CSA). This allows us to do a few things, like removing CSA territories as cores for the US (which means that they, for example, create resistance when conquered into). Depending on how far down you’ve gone in the communist branch, a part of the country might also declare its neutrality during the war. You can still interact with this part through decisions, but so can the other side.


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Where in other countries, a civil war is something we must be very careful with to ensure that the country is not completely crippled by the time the real war starts, here, we want ACWII to be “the war” the US gets into and which merges into the greater World War. So there are limited objectives for you after you have won the American Theater of World War II, but you can push decolonization in Asia and intervene in the Chinese Civil War, while also working to reintegrate the breakaway states.


The Civil War in the fascist branch works along similar lines. You also get a branch leading down from America First that you can use even if you don’t want to go full fascist - a sort of flirting with fascism, allowing you, for example, to investigate the opposition through the House Committee of Un-American Activities. The Voter Registration Act ensures a comfortable majority in every election, but triggers a wave of protests.


If you decide to push even further and publicly ally with the Silver Legion, you will trigger additional protests that put the country on the road to civil war. Like in the communist branch, a number of events determine what the starting position is, but the roles are reversed. Where in the communist branch, a part of the country tries to break away, in the fascist branch the country revolts against your leadership and tries to oust you from power, forcing you to fall back into a powerbase you set up in advance (you set up a powerbase in advance, right?). Parts of the country will declare in support or in opposition, leading to different front lines.


With much of the professional military on the other side, you’ll have to rely on hastily-raised militias to hold the line until you can get back on your feet. You might have to cut some deals and appeal to the locals to get them to accept that you are on their side.


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Once you have won that war, you are left with a US that is now safely fascist, which means that you are ideally poised to conquer the rest of the world. So we decided we might as well give you the focus tree to do just that. The War Powers Act lessens the stability impact of being in a war, and you can take your first steps abroad as you politely ask Canada to give you the territory between you and the Alaskan border (the event may or may not be called “Vancouver Or War!”) and politely ask Cuba to please stop being independent.


You continue in this fashion until at last you demand global hegemony and give all other majors an ultimatum to either become puppets or go to war. Along the way, you will most likely have gobbled up all the small countries that otherwise make conquering the world such a pain.


That is all for today. Next week we will be back with another look into the naval side of things.



Rejected Titles:

You will want fries with this focus tree

Making the world safe for fascism

Josh Lyman Simulator 2018

All focus trees are bigger in Texas

Communism is the right of all sentient beings

While writing this dev diary a bald eagle sat down outside the window and cried. True story.

My favourite state borders are Colorado’s

My google search history now makes me unemployable in most of the US

Fight them over here so we don’t have to fight them over there

This dev diary may contain trace amounts of political commentary

There was supposed to be a monarchist path but the Americans in the office rebelled and threw away all the tea

Team America saves the day

“Three strikes and we start bombing” would dramatically improve Baseball as a sport

https://twitter.com/alflandonlover gets the love he deserves

Actually rejected title: Make America <literally anything> Again

“Five score and two days ago our game director brought forth, upon this world, a new DLC announcement, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all gamers like American Civil Wars.”
 
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I share many of the same concerns already expressed regarding the current state of the political section of the focus tree. Some of the assumptions regarding the alt-history scenarios seem flawed, as well. Assuming that the military would side with communist revolutionaries seems particularly flawed, especially given the number of prominent Republicans/Conservatives in the Inter-War & WW2 military (MacArthur & Ike spring to mind). The National Guard would probably refuse federalisation if things went too far communi, as well (this perhaps being a more reasonable path to civil war). The congress system has potential, but there is the danger that it simply becomes a political power sink. I hope that there will be some RNG involved with the lobby/pork barrel/bribe decisions, as there should be the potential for these to backfire and result in reduction in support.

The updates to the War Plan & War Department sections seem good, though I notice the surprising disappearance of the embargo decisions, especially as the US Oil embargo of Japan was a significant factor in the invasion of the Dutch East Indies. I also hope that the naval section might be further fleshed out in the same way the UK one will be.

However, the main reason for this post is to question/comment regarding the representation of Liberia in-game. During WW2 it was to a large extent run by the Firestone Natural Rubber Company solely for the purposes of providing rubber to the Allies, which I think would be better represented by having it be a colony-level puppet of the US. Has any consideration been given to implementing this?
 
Looking at some of the political options it looks like you can add Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico, as states under three different choices.So, this leads me to the absolutely, most critical, most important for this DLC. Does the American flag change in game with the addition of each state? Does it?? WE HAVE TO KNOW! lol just teasing... well mostly. Does it change? Because that would be flipping awesome! Especially since there has never been an American flag with 49 or 51 stars on it.
 
Why the heck is the gold standard preset for fascism...?

It should also be noted that the US was still technically on the Gold Standard during this time. The Gold Reserve Act did not actually remove the United States from the Gold Standard. It just made it illegal for people to cash out dollars for gold. While this act did quite a lot to reduce relience on the Gold Standard, and IIRC it devalued the US Dollar, it did not actually remove the US from the Gold Standard. The US would remain on the Gold Standard till Tricky Dick finally pulled the plug on it.

so yea, I don't get this part either.

This is what I've suggested in the Waking the Tiger dev diary announcement (if I remember correctly), but many people pushed the "Respectfully disagree" bottom and one responded with "But me love dem teh national focuses xDxD".

National Foci look pretty but I think that mechanically they are actually a limiting Mechanic. You are far more constrained IMO by what you can do with focus trees then you can with Decisions.

investing in Ohio shouldn't give up to ten senators and 50 representatives, since historically each state could only have 2 senators and a fixed amount of representatives based on population

Yea, there is this to keep in mind.
 
But the important question, tho.

Will México be able to protest the Anschluss too? (Seeing how México was the only one to do so historically)

Why? Of all the countries, why Mexico?

Hello @podcat So this does look interesting, however I have some thoughts, feedback and concerns.


America and the New Deal

So First things, the United States was during this time following the New Deal and it apparently leads to the commie branch, curious. So the Suspend the Prosecution Focus is what leads to the communist branch; American Communism is addressed further down below.

So lets start with the Union Representation Act path, I think this might be in reference to the National Labor Relations act or better known as the Wagner act but from what I can gather it wasn't called that particular name. Moreover the Wagner Act was passed in 1935. Anyways moving on. Old Age Pension had already been achieved sort of anyways. Social Security was passed in 1935 which did exactly this. That said in 1939 there was an amendment passed to Social Security that made it stronger, maybe this is a reference to that? Now the Accumulated Wealth Tax Act is the first fictional act sort of. The US was already confiscating and fining people for having gold in order to keep the US dollar strong. That said there was a number of ideas proposed during this time for a Maximum Income, Huey Long had proposed it for example. Now then we have the Guarantee the American Dream focus, I assume this is talking about the Second Bill of Rights that FDR put forward at the end of his life, if so why not call it that? If it is not about that, I am curious what it is about. Next are a trio of acts that are fictional and far more socialist in nature, I think, though I am curious as to what they are about exactly. Finally this section of the New Deal section ends with Reintegration which I am curious about.

Okay Moving onto the next main section of the New Deal path the WPA or Work's Progress Administration. Like with other stuff, the WPA was formed in 1935 not 1936 that said it was one of the major programs for this era. then you got the Agriculture Adjustment Act, which is curious. This was passed in 1933 and was actually declared unconstitutional in 1936 by SCOTUS. Now there was a similar named act passed in 1938 but it was not the same as the 1933 act, which is the one that had ties to the Ware Group. You might find it better to use the Farm Security Administration, which in its beginnings had quasi-collectivist stuff for Farming; this got changed when the conservatives in both parties took control of congress.

Then there is the Fair-Labor Standards Act, this is fine since this is historical(it was passed in 1938) the question is though why do you need to go down the commie branch for this act? Anyways, there is the Federal Housing Act which is curious since that wasn't passed till 1949. Maybe you were referring to the Housing Act of 1937 which created the United States Housing Authority? The scientific research and development Office and the Rubber Reserve Company stuff is fine though side not the scientific research and development Office should better be called Office of Scientific Research and Development.

So that is at the end of the stuff for the New Deal however, there were a number of important things that did happen during the New Deal that was not mentioned or Referenced. So lets go through them

  • Court Packing: In 1937 in response to the SCOTUS keep declaring his acts unconstitutional FDR came up with Court Packing which he proposed in 1937 as the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill. This was immensely controversial and in OTL it failed. However if it passed it might have allowed FDR to get some of his more controversial ideas through.
  • Medicare: Okay, FDR didn't call it that but in 1933 he tried to get a Publically funded Health Care program as part of social security, it failed. Truman would again try later in the 40s. So perhaps this can be one of the Acts that he passes. You could rename it to Americare if you want or something else but it was something that was strongly thought of as possible.
  • Civilian Conservation Corps: The Civilian Conservation Corps or the CCC was one of the more popular programs, you could make the argument as the most popular during its time, it lasted from 1933 to 1942. It helped provide young men a temporary job. It could help to improve infrastructure in the country, which was one of the many things it did. Perhaps even extending it past 1942 if you wish to go into Alt-history.
  • Tennesse Valley Authority: Now the TVA was created in the first New Deal however, in ww2 it was expanded in a dramatic way in order to provide aluminium for the war effort. It lead Harry Truman to retort "I want aluminum. I don't care if I get it from Alcoa or Al Capone" Moreover perhaps their could be more TVA agencies created throughout the US.
  • Second Bill of Rights: Near the end of the FDR's life, he supported creating a policy called the Second Bill of rights. This should be emphasized somewhere near the end of the radical New Deal stuff IMO.

Questions for the New Deal Path
  • What is the Suspend the Prosecution about?
  • What is the Union Representation Act about? Is it meant to be the Wagner Act?
  • Is Guarantee the American Dream about the second Bill of rights?
  • Why is this going commie, since they were things that either had already happened or were proposed?
  • What are the Worker Management Act, Militia Act, and Communal Property act about?
  • What is reintegration?
  • Why do you need to do the Suspend the Prosecution to get the Fair Labor Standards Act?


Suggestions for the New Deal Path(historicalish stuff)
  • Replace the AAA with the Farm Security Administration
  • Rename Federal Housing Act to United States Housing Authority
  • Include Court Packing somehow.
  • Include Medicare or some sort of national health care for the more radical new deal stuff
  • Include the CCC
  • Include the expansion of TVA
  • Include the Second Bill of rights

American Politics and Congress
First I wish to say that I love the Congress Mechanic. What I am curious though is what does the Support and Opposition parts repersent. On one hand at 1935 Roosevelt had a supermajority in congress on the other hand that also included southern democrats who were rather conservative, notably they would join with Republicans to form the Conservative Coalition in 1939. This is probably the most exciting mechanic IMO.
  • FDR not running in 1940: It was unexpected when FDR threw his hat into the ring in 1940 and it caused some controversy. In the 1940 Primary for President you had John Nance Garner, Cordell Hull, and Millard E. Tydings before FDR threw his hat back into the ring due to a stunt. Anyways perhaps in this timeline one of them can become President instead?
  • Keeping Henry Wallace: In OTL FDR had to replace Henry Wallace with Harry Truman. Perhaps we can keep Wallace instead.
  • adjusted compensation act: I am not quite sure what act that this is supposed to represent, that said, I would move the privatize the TVA and de-regulate the Banking sector under this section since I assume this is to represent the republicans policies.
  • Various Acts: This congress mechanic can be used to try and get various acts passed through. Such as for example militarizing the WASPs to be similar to the WAVEs or WAACs/WACs

American Isolationism
Okay now there is the ability to protest various foreign actions and after two strikes you can go to war. the problem with this is that the US during this period was intensely isolationist. You should first have to deal with getting rid of that before you can do anything of this sort. Obviously if you are attacked that is a different story. So what I would suggest is starting you out as Isolationist and then work to try and maneuver to increase war support, doing Lend Lease, doing Military service, and so on to raise War support and move out of being so isolationist.

  • the OSS and MAGIC: Both the OSS was created during ww2 and MAGIC was implemented, instead I think that this should be in the military section.
  • Focus on Asia/Europe: Should be renamed with Asia First/Europe First to reflect the decision policy that the US was actually debated, also moved to Foreign Policy.
American Foreign Policy

One of FDR's Policies was the Good Neighbor policy which was about improving relations with Latin American Countries. In the early 1930s he worked out to end the occupations of Nicaragua(1933) and Haiti(1934). He worked to remove the Platt Amendment in 1934 to improve relations with Cuba. Also Side note, the 1939 World's Fair played a decent role in America's Policy with her neighbors.

This is where I would stick say Asia First and Europe First policies.
  • Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs: This was one of the many agencies dedicated to supporting inter-american cooperation particularly in Economics. It was one of the many US propaganda agencies in order to support that the countries of Latin america would be on their side.
  • Bracero program: The Bracero Program was an immigration policy of short term agricultural work by Mexicans as well as Guamanians(people from Guam)
  • Pan-American Conferences: While OAS was not created till the later part of the 40s there were several conferences between the US and other Latin American countries. Of the various conferences the ones important for the ww2 era are:
    • Inter-American Conference for the Maintenance of Peace: This was in 1936 and about making sure that War did not come to the western hemisphere and more over, that should war come to the western hemisphere that all the countries of the Americas support one another. It was held in Buenos Aires
    • Pan-American Conference(1938): This was about ensuring that the various Latin American Countries did not go to war with each other.
    • Pan-American Conference(1942): This was about making sure that the various Latin American Countries would sever communications and trade with the Axis powers and support the US, it lead to many Latin american countries to enter the war.
  • Plan Rubber: In a bit more alt-history, their is Plan Rubber which was to invade Brazil in order to capture the rubber supplies there in case Brazil joined the Axis. It didn't happen due to the US helping to get them involved in ww2. This could be a potential plan to go after Brazil particularly if it has aligned itself against the US

American Communism
Okay now from what I can gather you have it going down the suspend the prosecution section and desegregation of the armed forces and the union representation Act. However, this seems to misread the far left in the United States particular during this period. So lets start with the CPUSA platform in 1936. It should be noted that similar sentiments were among the SPA as well.

The CPUSA in 1936 called for among various things:
  • Nationalization of Industries
  • 30 hour work week
  • Minimum wage
  • Nationalization of the entire banking system
  • Supporting Farmers and worker cooperatives
  • breaking with mulbary v Madison. "We support a constitutional amendment to put an end to the dictatorial and usurped powers of the supreme court"
  • destroying Jim Crow and full rights for African Americans, oh and death penalty for lynchers
  • Keeping america out of war
The Popular Front
In 1935, at the Behast of Moscow, the CPUSA adopted the Policy of the Popular Front against fasicism, this meant that they actually supported FDR and his new Deal. That said they did try to form a different one in 1936 between the SPA and CPUSA but Norman Thomas of the SPA said no.

If the Communists were to gain power it was going to be through such a policy among the left supporting the Farmer-Labor, the SPA, the SPL and so on. Of course dealing with the factional differences makes such a thing complicated. One of the ways IMO would be if the CPUSA truly embraced its slogan of Communism is 20th century Americanism and turned against the Soviet Union. Of course doing so would need to have a different leader then Earl Browder.

Of course since the CPUSA supported the New Deal and FDR that makes things complicated, but perhaps if FDR is defeated and the new deal starts to be repealed then this Popular front can have a shot at the white house?

American Communists and the USSR
The CPUSA as part of the Comitern supported the Soviet Union. Earl Browder, the Leader of the CPUSA during this period likens Trotskyism to "cholera germs" and calling the purge "a signal service to the cause of progressive humanity". He compared the show trial defendants to domestic traitors Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, disloyal War of 1812 Federalists and Confederate secessionists while likening persons who "smeared" Stalin's name to those who had slandered Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

This also extends to foreign policy. During the Spanish Civil War era, the CPUSA was a vocal supporter of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade/Battalion and supporting the Republicans. Before the M-R Pact was signed between Germany and the Soviets, the CPUSA strongly supported opposing fascism at every turn.

In fact when the Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the CPUSA followed likewise and dropped its boycott of Nazi goods. Many also during this time joined the America First Committee, though other socialists, communists, and far left people joined not just members of the CPUSA including Norman Thomas. That said this did deliver a huge blow to the morale to american Communists.

That said that wasn't the case for all american communists, a good number also supported Leon Trotsky with the biggest name being James P. Cannon. Who did not support the USSR and Stalin's policies. The leadership of the CPUSA actually pushed for them to be prosecuted and suppressed by the US government. Other socialist parties including the SPA would later turn against Stalin and the USSR. Norman Thomas in particular hoped to create a broad anti-Stalinist front despite the fact he did expel the trotskyites earlier(which took basically the entire youth section of the SPA with them)

Thus the Communist America should have the choice between supporting Trotsky's fourth International or the Third International. Moreover there should be stuff between more authoritarian communists and more democratic communists.

American Fascism
So it looks like the Silver Legion is the main Fascist Party, thing is the Silver Legion was tiny in size, it also didn't have the same public support as other right wing groups. Groups like the German American Bund was far more popular, and more over there was the American First Committee. So what I would do is replace the Silver Legion with the Bund and have things about the AFC drawing support from more conservative and right wing members and recruiting them. Germany if it is Nazi, could have decisions to covertly finance the Bund to keep america neutral or lead them to be pro-Germany. Naturally this will anger the Commies and the More left wing public. You can have Fritz Kuhn and Lindy as leaders, perhaps even Lindbergh becoming the President as prerequisite.

also you should drop the neo-confederate stuff for the Fascist path.

The Second American Civil War
The Whole Confederate second civil war thing is something that is silly, it is a fantasy during this time period; of course the whole civil war in general is silly and extremely unrealistic for this time period. I hope that it doesn't happen in a historical mode. Now if you really want it, you could have it between the government and either the commies or the Fascists in the America First Committee, depending on which way you go. Also if you are going to include the neo-confederates then they should get their own tree. Also there should be no 'unaligned United States' during the civil war, since that would make little sense for such a conflict.

I really hope that the civil war doesn't happen in historical games at all.


Hopefully this gives you some thoughts :)

Sincerely
~Vyshan~

Um... did you miss the part where this is alternate history? It obviously won’t happen on historical. That’s kinda the point.
 
Why? Of all the countries, why Mexico?
It seems they were the only country to really protest against it, most of the rest of the world either accepted it or at least did not voice much of their concerns
 
Wait, so you guys are adding a more complex political system to America? I hope you are doing it for other countries as well or that would just be plain un-fair.
 
Hello @podcat So this does look interesting, however I have some thoughts, feedback and concerns.


America and the New Deal

So First things, the United States was during this time following the New Deal and it apparently leads to the commie branch, curious. So the Suspend the Prosecution Focus is what leads to the communist branch; American Communism is addressed further down below.

So lets start with the Union Representation Act path, I think this might be in reference to the National Labor Relations act or better known as the Wagner act but from what I can gather it wasn't called that particular name. Moreover the Wagner Act was passed in 1935. Anyways moving on. Old Age Pension had already been achieved sort of anyways. Social Security was passed in 1935 which did exactly this. That said in 1939 there was an amendment passed to Social Security that made it stronger, maybe this is a reference to that? Now the Accumulated Wealth Tax Act is the first fictional act sort of. The US was already confiscating and fining people for having gold in order to keep the US dollar strong. That said there was a number of ideas proposed during this time for a Maximum Income, Huey Long had proposed it for example. Now then we have the Guarantee the American Dream focus, I assume this is talking about the Second Bill of Rights that FDR put forward at the end of his life, if so why not call it that? If it is not about that, I am curious what it is about. Next are a trio of acts that are fictional and far more socialist in nature, I think, though I am curious as to what they are about exactly. Finally this section of the New Deal section ends with Reintegration which I am curious about.

Okay Moving onto the next main section of the New Deal path the WPA or Work's Progress Administration. Like with other stuff, the WPA was formed in 1935 not 1936 that said it was one of the major programs for this era. then you got the Agriculture Adjustment Act, which is curious. This was passed in 1933 and was actually declared unconstitutional in 1936 by SCOTUS. Now there was a similar named act passed in 1938 but it was not the same as the 1933 act, which is the one that had ties to the Ware Group. You might find it better to use the Farm Security Administration, which in its beginnings had quasi-collectivist stuff for Farming; this got changed when the conservatives in both parties took control of congress.

Then there is the Fair-Labor Standards Act, this is fine since this is historical(it was passed in 1938) the question is though why do you need to go down the commie branch for this act? Anyways, there is the Federal Housing Act which is curious since that wasn't passed till 1949. Maybe you were referring to the Housing Act of 1937 which created the United States Housing Authority? The scientific research and development Office and the Rubber Reserve Company stuff is fine though side not the scientific research and development Office should better be called Office of Scientific Research and Development.

So that is at the end of the stuff for the New Deal however, there were a number of important things that did happen during the New Deal that was not mentioned or Referenced. So lets go through them

  • Court Packing: In 1937 in response to the SCOTUS keep declaring his acts unconstitutional FDR came up with Court Packing which he proposed in 1937 as the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill. This was immensely controversial and in OTL it failed. However if it passed it might have allowed FDR to get some of his more controversial ideas through.
  • Medicare: Okay, FDR didn't call it that but in 1933 he tried to get a Publically funded Health Care program as part of social security, it failed. Truman would again try later in the 40s. So perhaps this can be one of the Acts that he passes. You could rename it to Americare if you want or something else but it was something that was strongly thought of as possible.
  • Civilian Conservation Corps: The Civilian Conservation Corps or the CCC was one of the more popular programs, you could make the argument as the most popular during its time, it lasted from 1933 to 1942. It helped provide young men a temporary job. It could help to improve infrastructure in the country, which was one of the many things it did. Perhaps even extending it past 1942 if you wish to go into Alt-history.
  • Tennesse Valley Authority: Now the TVA was created in the first New Deal however, in ww2 it was expanded in a dramatic way in order to provide aluminium for the war effort. It lead Harry Truman to retort "I want aluminum. I don't care if I get it from Alcoa or Al Capone" Moreover perhaps their could be more TVA agencies created throughout the US.
  • Second Bill of Rights: Near the end of the FDR's life, he supported creating a policy called the Second Bill of rights. This should be emphasized somewhere near the end of the radical New Deal stuff IMO.

Questions for the New Deal Path
  • What is the Suspend the Prosecution about?
  • What is the Union Representation Act about? Is it meant to be the Wagner Act?
  • Is Guarantee the American Dream about the second Bill of rights?
  • Why is this going commie, since they were things that either had already happened or were proposed?
  • What are the Worker Management Act, Militia Act, and Communal Property act about?
  • What is reintegration?
  • Why do you need to do the Suspend the Prosecution to get the Fair Labor Standards Act?


Suggestions for the New Deal Path(historicalish stuff)
  • Replace the AAA with the Farm Security Administration
  • Rename Federal Housing Act to United States Housing Authority
  • Include Court Packing somehow.
  • Include Medicare or some sort of national health care for the more radical new deal stuff
  • Include the CCC
  • Include the expansion of TVA
  • Include the Second Bill of rights

American Politics and Congress
First I wish to say that I love the Congress Mechanic. What I am curious though is what does the Support and Opposition parts repersent. On one hand at 1935 Roosevelt had a supermajority in congress on the other hand that also included southern democrats who were rather conservative, notably they would join with Republicans to form the Conservative Coalition in 1939. This is probably the most exciting mechanic IMO.
  • FDR not running in 1940: It was unexpected when FDR threw his hat into the ring in 1940 and it caused some controversy. In the 1940 Primary for President you had John Nance Garner, Cordell Hull, and Millard E. Tydings before FDR threw his hat back into the ring due to a stunt. Anyways perhaps in this timeline one of them can become President instead?
  • Keeping Henry Wallace: In OTL FDR had to replace Henry Wallace with Harry Truman. Perhaps we can keep Wallace instead.
  • adjusted compensation act: I am not quite sure what act that this is supposed to represent, that said, I would move the privatize the TVA and de-regulate the Banking sector under this section since I assume this is to represent the republicans policies.
  • Various Acts: This congress mechanic can be used to try and get various acts passed through. Such as for example militarizing the WASPs to be similar to the WAVEs or WAACs/WACs

American Isolationism
Okay now there is the ability to protest various foreign actions and after two strikes you can go to war. the problem with this is that the US during this period was intensely isolationist. You should first have to deal with getting rid of that before you can do anything of this sort. Obviously if you are attacked that is a different story. So what I would suggest is starting you out as Isolationist and then work to try and maneuver to increase war support, doing Lend Lease, doing Military service, and so on to raise War support and move out of being so isolationist.

  • the OSS and MAGIC: Both the OSS was created during ww2 and MAGIC was implemented, instead I think that this should be in the military section.
  • Focus on Asia/Europe: Should be renamed with Asia First/Europe First to reflect the decision policy that the US was actually debated, also moved to Foreign Policy.
American Foreign Policy

One of FDR's Policies was the Good Neighbor policy which was about improving relations with Latin American Countries. In the early 1930s he worked out to end the occupations of Nicaragua(1933) and Haiti(1934). He worked to remove the Platt Amendment in 1934 to improve relations with Cuba. Also Side note, the 1939 World's Fair played a decent role in America's Policy with her neighbors.

This is where I would stick say Asia First and Europe First policies.
  • Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs: This was one of the many agencies dedicated to supporting inter-american cooperation particularly in Economics. It was one of the many US propaganda agencies in order to support that the countries of Latin america would be on their side.
  • Bracero program: The Bracero Program was an immigration policy of short term agricultural work by Mexicans as well as Guamanians(people from Guam)
  • Pan-American Conferences: While OAS was not created till the later part of the 40s there were several conferences between the US and other Latin American countries. Of the various conferences the ones important for the ww2 era are:
    • Inter-American Conference for the Maintenance of Peace: This was in 1936 and about making sure that War did not come to the western hemisphere and more over, that should war come to the western hemisphere that all the countries of the Americas support one another. It was held in Buenos Aires
    • Pan-American Conference(1938): This was about ensuring that the various Latin American Countries did not go to war with each other.
    • Pan-American Conference(1942): This was about making sure that the various Latin American Countries would sever communications and trade with the Axis powers and support the US, it lead to many Latin american countries to enter the war.
  • Plan Rubber: In a bit more alt-history, their is Plan Rubber which was to invade Brazil in order to capture the rubber supplies there in case Brazil joined the Axis. It didn't happen due to the US helping to get them involved in ww2. This could be a potential plan to go after Brazil particularly if it has aligned itself against the US

American Communism
Okay now from what I can gather you have it going down the suspend the prosecution section and desegregation of the armed forces and the union representation Act. However, this seems to misread the far left in the United States particular during this period. So lets start with the CPUSA platform in 1936. It should be noted that similar sentiments were among the SPA as well.

The CPUSA in 1936 called for among various things:
  • Nationalization of Industries
  • 30 hour work week
  • Minimum wage
  • Nationalization of the entire banking system
  • Supporting Farmers and worker cooperatives
  • breaking with mulbary v Madison. "We support a constitutional amendment to put an end to the dictatorial and usurped powers of the supreme court"
  • destroying Jim Crow and full rights for African Americans, oh and death penalty for lynchers
  • Keeping america out of war
The Popular Front
In 1935, at the Behast of Moscow, the CPUSA adopted the Policy of the Popular Front against fasicism, this meant that they actually supported FDR and his new Deal. That said they did try to form a different one in 1936 between the SPA and CPUSA but Norman Thomas of the SPA said no.

If the Communists were to gain power it was going to be through such a policy among the left supporting the Farmer-Labor, the SPA, the SPL and so on. Of course dealing with the factional differences makes such a thing complicated. One of the ways IMO would be if the CPUSA truly embraced its slogan of Communism is 20th century Americanism and turned against the Soviet Union. Of course doing so would need to have a different leader then Earl Browder.

Of course since the CPUSA supported the New Deal and FDR that makes things complicated, but perhaps if FDR is defeated and the new deal starts to be repealed then this Popular front can have a shot at the white house?

American Communists and the USSR
The CPUSA as part of the Comitern supported the Soviet Union. Earl Browder, the Leader of the CPUSA during this period likens Trotskyism to "cholera germs" and calling the purge "a signal service to the cause of progressive humanity". He compared the show trial defendants to domestic traitors Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, disloyal War of 1812 Federalists and Confederate secessionists while likening persons who "smeared" Stalin's name to those who had slandered Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

This also extends to foreign policy. During the Spanish Civil War era, the CPUSA was a vocal supporter of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade/Battalion and supporting the Republicans. Before the M-R Pact was signed between Germany and the Soviets, the CPUSA strongly supported opposing fascism at every turn.

In fact when the Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the CPUSA followed likewise and dropped its boycott of Nazi goods. Many also during this time joined the America First Committee, though other socialists, communists, and far left people joined not just members of the CPUSA including Norman Thomas. That said this did deliver a huge blow to the morale to american Communists.

That said that wasn't the case for all american communists, a good number also supported Leon Trotsky with the biggest name being James P. Cannon. Who did not support the USSR and Stalin's policies. The leadership of the CPUSA actually pushed for them to be prosecuted and suppressed by the US government. Other socialist parties including the SPA would later turn against Stalin and the USSR. Norman Thomas in particular hoped to create a broad anti-Stalinist front despite the fact he did expel the trotskyites earlier(which took basically the entire youth section of the SPA with them)

Thus the Communist America should have the choice between supporting Trotsky's fourth International or the Third International. Moreover there should be stuff between more authoritarian communists and more democratic communists.

American Fascism
So it looks like the Silver Legion is the main Fascist Party, thing is the Silver Legion was tiny in size, it also didn't have the same public support as other right wing groups. Groups like the German American Bund was far more popular, and more over there was the American First Committee. So what I would do is replace the Silver Legion with the Bund and have things about the AFC drawing support from more conservative and right wing members and recruiting them. Germany if it is Nazi, could have decisions to covertly finance the Bund to keep america neutral or lead them to be pro-Germany. Naturally this will anger the Commies and the More left wing public. You can have Fritz Kuhn and Lindy as leaders, perhaps even Lindbergh becoming the President as prerequisite.

also you should drop the neo-confederate stuff for the Fascist path.

The Second American Civil War
The Whole Confederate second civil war thing is something that is silly, it is a fantasy during this time period; of course the whole civil war in general is silly and extremely unrealistic for this time period. I hope that it doesn't happen in a historical mode. Now if you really want it, you could have it between the government and either the commies or the Fascists in the America First Committee, depending on which way you go. Also if you are going to include the neo-confederates then they should get their own tree. Also there should be no 'unaligned United States' during the civil war, since that would make little sense for such a conflict.

I really hope that the civil war doesn't happen in historical games at all.


Hopefully this gives you some thoughts :)

Sincerely
~Vyshan~


@podcat - hire this guy
 
Why? Of all the countries, why Mexico?
It seems they were the only country to really protest against it, most of the rest of the world either accepted it or at least did not voice much of their concerns.

Maybe they were still testy about the stunt the Germans pulled with the Zimmerman Telegram back in WW1? An attempt to bribe them into joining the war with the promise of Reconquista territories, that would only end with Mexico getting smacked down by the United States, wouldn't exactly endear Mexico to the Germans who're trying to go for Round 2.
 
I see a definite problem with the statement that sticking with the incumbent will tend to lower support. How do you reconcile that with FDR having been elected to 4 consecutive terms? Allowing for alt history is one thing, but a design that directly penalizes following the historical path seems wrong,
 
I'm not sure if this is the correct location, but seeing how this is a thread about the US I have two things to add.

1) The largest island in Lake Superior (Isle Royale) should be US controlled, attached to Michigan.
2) I remember from Michigan history class being told one of the most heavily fortified locations in the US was Sault ste. Marie. Because 90% of all the nations iron ore was shipped through the locks there (https://ss.sites.mtu.edu/mhugl/2016/10/16/3629/).


It would be interesting if US vast Mesabi and Marquettet iron ore deposits could become in jeopardy by the loss of this key lock system in the Soo.
 
completely. We are probably gonna cover some new mod capabilities in next diary so we can highlight some stuff there

Enter the script-based Congress Mechanic. The Congress mechanic is - for now - unique to the US and simulates the shifting majorities in both houses of Congress. It ties into a lot of things that we will get into in a bit. But on a fundamental level, taking the focuses that reduce the penalties from the great depression will require you to have a majority in both houses, but will also reduce your support once you have taken it to simulate members of Congress who voted for the proposal being unwilling to support you further without getting something in return.


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You can gain and lose support from random events as well as midterm and presidential elections. Generally speaking, going with the incumbent means you are more likely to lose support in Congress in the election, and if the situation is particularly dire, going with the challenger will flip support and opposition. Beyond this, a number of decisions allow you to gain support in congress, from simple lobbying to bribing members of Congress by investing in their constituencies to just regularly bribing them.


@podcat ,

you should add two focuses for gaining support:

'Divide Texas into 5 States'

'Divide California into 3/5/7 States'

That will increase the numbers of Congressmen and Senators on your side if those states support you already.
 
I'm pleasantly surprised, taken aback really, that there's development on a political mechanic. oh yeaaa
 
In practice Fascist countries were pretty big on privatisation. Germany, Italy, Spain, you name it

I'm pretty sure that's not true. Germany and Italy ran totalitarian corporatist economies, where there were very powerful state industries and, even in the case of "private industries," extremely heavy regulation that effectively gave the state full control.

Spain was very similar up until the Opus Dei period (around the mid-1960s), and the only reason it changed was because Franco basically abandoned Falangism. Note that, around that period, they not only canned autarky/heavy regulation, but also started canning the patriarchal policies, the diplomatic isolation...
 
Open podcat's profile and read his post history.
If it was only one dev to look out for...

It's a lot of God damn work when in a normal thread you can do it by just clicking a button.
I'm not an expert in how this works, but as far as I can tell, this really had no tangible benefit.
I hope they go back to usual next week.
 
I really dislike the USSA name that a lot of people are suggesting. It's too on-the-nose and I doubt that American Communists would deliberately mimic the Soviet Union.

I think the People's States of America, Revolutionary States of America, or American Revolutionary Republic make more sense. A Communist movement that gains mass appeal by taking the idea of the Founding Fathers and reinterpreting it as a populist revolt (like how some modern Leftists call upon Thomas Payne).

EDIT: Oh, and I think the most plausible route for the democratically-lead Communist path would be Roosevelt court-packing and then gradually moving towards the complete seizure of power (which I don't find that implausible, considering that he seemed to think the President should rule for life, what with his million terms). There could be something about the Business Plot being like the Leftist version of the Reichstag fire (a thing that nobody can prove, but which is used as an excuse to suspend democracy; I know it happened in 1933, but the lore could be that it didn't proceed until later). Maybe Roosevelt dies and some very Far-Left advisor, historical or not, takes over and shifts the party to Marxism-Leninism (at the least).
 
I'm not sure if this is the correct location, but seeing how this is a thread about the US I have two things to add.

1) The largest island in Lake Superior (Isle Royale) should be US controlled, attached to Michigan.
2) I remember from Michigan history class being told one of the most heavily fortified locations in the US was Sault ste. Marie. Because 90% of all the nations iron ore was shipped through the locks there (https://ss.sites.mtu.edu/mhugl/2016/10/16/3629/).


It would be interesting if US vast Mesabi and Marquettet iron ore deposits could become in jeopardy by the loss of this key lock system in the Soo.
The deposits would not be in any danger, just the shipping route. They would have had trouble (not to mention the expense) of using trains for more than a fraction of it.