HOI4 Dev Diary - 1.6.2 Update

[Pied-Noir]

@podcat

- ENG will avoid channel if it is at war with GER

What exactly is the justification for this? It's weird, and it sounds like something that might mess up the British AI and possibly even stop Overlord from happening.

The Channel was Britain's lifeline, and it was both heavily mined and patrolled by sea and air. It was the Germans that avoided the Channel in general, with the notable exception of Operation Cerberus.

Wouldn't it make more sense for GER to avoid the Channel if at war with ENG, and instead focus on the North Sea and Norwegian/Arctic Sea?

I'm just not really understanding what is to be gained by the British choosing to ignore the Channel. It makes no sense historically and it's bound to hinder their naval and air AI. Was there a particular reason you wanted to do this?

 

[cnwi]

@podcat



What exactly is the justification for this? It's weird, and it sounds like something that might mess up the British AI and possibly even stop Overlord from happening.

The Channel was Britain's lifeline, and it was both heavily mined and patrolled by sea and air. It was the Germans that avoided the Channel in general, with the notable exception of Operation Cerberus.

Wouldn't it make more sense for GER to avoid the Channel if at war with ENG, and instead focus on the North Sea and Norwegian/Arctic Sea?

I'm just not really understanding what is to be gained by the British choosing to ignore the Channel. It makes no sense historically and it's bound to hinder their naval and air AI. Was there a particular reason you wanted to do this?

My guess is that ships and troop convoys in the Channel were decimated by GER planes from France.

 

[ivhokie]

Really both should avoid the Channel. The Royal Navy was stationed in Scapa Flow for a reason. They wanted to be as far away from German bombers as possible. Yeah later in the war when the Luftwaffe didn't really exist it was safer for the Royal Navy, but still no reason to risk it.

 

[Sir.Dr.X]

Can you update small thinks for Poland.
1) If Poland conqer zaolzie it should trigger event about climing zaolzie even if munch conference never appel.
2) If Czechoslovakia reject Munch agreement Poland should still reqest Zaolzie from Czechoslavakia by a decizion.
3) Old areas of salesia uprisings (there where three of them) should be core for Poland or could by climed as souch by a decizion. The border with germany and Czechoslovakia where never set in stone. Specialy on Zaolzie and salesia area.
4) If Germany are in alaience with Poland before end of czechoslavakia German AI should always go with Danzig for Slovakia.
5) Change restored Polish-lithuanian comonwelfe flag (for comunist and fasict variation) now it is a russian flag ! It meake no sens.
6) Add decizion of exploatation Lviv oil. And add an oil in Lviv. It whas a strategic region for USSR and Germany.

 

[lavabo]

With Axis country (played NL) when I won against the Allies, while Vichy France had been created, just after the peace conference, an event fired fired : Liberation - France has been freed from German occupation.
Vichy France now owns the whole country, right, but it's a bit weird, as it's still a Reichsprotektorat.

 

[Rafled]

With Axis country (played NL) when I won against the Allies, while Vichy France had been created, just after the peace conference, an event fired fired : Liberation - France has been freed from German occupation.
Vichy France now owns the whole country, right, but it's a bit weird, as it's still a Reichsprotektorat.

Puppets come in all sizes...

 

[flowlanss]

It looks like Dev.team doing UI improvement, so I post an idea.
Could you implement Stop/Start training all air wings and/or navy button?
Maybe only the U.S. can do such full training at the view of fuel, but now many players play the U.S. and it is tiresome to start/stop all training air wings
in other countries too.

 

[Meglok]

@podcat

I don't know whether you've already considered this, but I think a good incentive for players to upgrade ships would be if the conversion techs (in the industry tree) also affected ship conversion speed. You need not grant huge bonuses with them, but it would give the player more incentive to research them, and also to convert/rebuild ships (which, from a gameplay perspective, is often not worthwhile compared to the time/cost of building a new one).

2 thumbs up on this suggestion.

Make Conversion Tech Useful (MCTU)

 

[Lord Hoosier]

Make China Great Again!

I really hope they put up a better fight.

 

[Ethanol]

- research companies research bonus 10% to 15%
- doctrine ministers research bonus 7% to 10% and 10% to 15%
- electron mechanical engineering research bonus 2% to 3%
- mechanical computer research bonus 3% to 4%
- computing machine research bonus 3% to 5%
- improved computing machine research bonus 5% to 8%
- advanced computing machine research bonus 5 to 8%
- focus: give refuge to scientist research bonus 3% to 5%


- It is now possible to select a theater as a deployment target which will put the newly created ships in that theater's reserve fleet
- Now showing the task force insignia when selecting a task force as deployment target
- Task forces created through the Move Ships Window now copy the insignia from the original task force

Thanks for that !

I really like how nearly all the small annoying issues have been corrected in the last month (only thing left I can think off is the refit cost of sonar/dept charge/AA and the admiral skill experience gain which is useless for anything other than convoy raiding).

 

[kinji0812]

Please Edit the ship design more close to historical main battery amount....

 

[TheNexxus]

Please Edit the ship design more close to historical main battery amount....

It’s probably not going to happen. To achieve this what you’d need to do is redo all the graphics such that the placement of various turrets actually gives you more than one. Using your example, placing a turret in the fixed turret slot would actually give you graphical turrets in the #1/#2 positions. Placing a turret in the rear1 slot would give you a single graphical turret in the #3 position (aka: Yamato). Placing a turret in the rear2 slot would again give you two graphical turrets in the #3/#4 slots (aka: Montana).

You then then need to do this for all ship hulls (at least for heavy, super heavy and possibly cruiser). Then you also have to factor in dual vs. triple vs. quad turrets (USA ran in sets of 3, Britain in sets of 2, 3 and 4, Japan sets of 2 or 3 depending on hull, France sets of 4, etc,)

Then you need to work out the new relative (down to the pixel) positions in the Equipment Designer so everything looks correct. It might be something I’ll tackle at a later date. We’ll have to see.

 

[kinji0812]

It’s probably not going to happen. To achieve this what you’d need to do is redo all the graphics such that the placement of various turrets actually gives you more than one. Using your example, placing a turret in the fixed turret slot would actually give you graphical turrets in the #1/#2 positions. Placing a turret in the rear1 slot would give you a single graphical turret in the #3 position (aka: Yamato).

I mean this:

3 turret plz...

 

[ThePHD]

I'm sorry to say it does not appear to have worked... In this game I've tried to play as UK, on historical mode. I've been lend leasing SU like crazy to keep him in the fight. Currently around 35% of all Artillery, 40% of all Trucks 20% of all Light tanks, 50% of all support equipment and 40% of all anti-tank in the red army have been produced in The British Empire and around 2k planes and 1k Convoys have been lend leased . Furthermore I've been giving them roughly 30 - 45 civ factories through trade since the war began.
I've also kept the Luftwaffe busy over the English Channel, UK, North Africa and Greece, downing in total more than 6k aircraft.
The Axis has been beaten out of Africa, more than 1 million Italians have died and a few german panzer divisions. The Axis Navy is more or less completly obliterated, and they are cut off from trading with South America and Asia.

Yet by November 1942, Leningrad is gone, Stalingrad is gone, the oil fields are gone and Moscow has fallen - And the Red army is doing this....
View attachment 466694

It doesn't matter what you give them because they won't stop shuffling around. I gave the Soviet Union 8,000 of the most modern medium tanks which they quickly turned into armored divisions... and they still lost by 1942 in the same way you mentioned. I would be satisfied with the state of the game if this was fixed. It just totally breaks everything when the Soviet Union is beaten by 1942. At this point they are little more than a speed bump for the Germans. They inflict almost no casualties on Germany so they are essentially almost 100% useless.

 

[Virgil Hilts]

It doesn't matter what you give them because they won't stop shuffling around. I gave the Soviet Union 8,000 of the most modern medium tanks which they quickly turned into armored divisions... and they still lost by 1942 in the same way you mentioned. I would be satisfied with the state of the game if this was fixed. It just totally breaks everything when the Soviet Union is beaten by 1942. At this point they are little more than a speed bump for the Germans. They inflict almost no casualties on Germany so they are essentially almost 100% useless.

It's also entirely ahistorical the soviets withdrew from the Japanese front after the non-aggression pact. I think the issue is that non-aggression pacts don't seem to flag "don't guard this border", while losing the war against Germany provokes them to want to pull units off the Japanese/Chinese borders, but then they realize that they don't have one unit a province in Mongolia anymore so they send them back.

Also moving all those units back and forth the Pacific front has to absolutely wreck their attrition, I imagine half of those medium tanks just rusted in the middle of Siberia.

 

[TheNexxus]

I mean this:
View attachment 466916
3 turret plz...

Yes, I know what you mean. The “real” Yamato (at least insofar as HOI4 is concerned) has two battery slots - otherwise you’ll never achieve the historical speed, etc. The problem is that two battery slots = 2 turrets displayed when you desire 3. Hence what I was trying to explain is that to retain the in-game setups for balance you need to redo the graphics. It’s a bit convoluted to explain, but suffice it to say it is possible (although I’m not sure if it’s worth the effort).

The graphics are easy enough to do - it’s the line-by-line manual coding editing that’s a PITA. I’m somewhat inclined to overhaul the whole hull display aspect so that it more accurately reflects the actual ships for each nation (at least the major powers, anyway).

 

[Pied-Noir]

It’s a bit convoluted to explain, but suffice it to say it is possible (although I’m not sure if it’s worth the effort).

With the greatest respect to Paradox (who make amazing games and content), convoluted is very much the word I'd use describe some of their design processes. Look at the way they handle DLC for example, with the infinite variables which cause overlap and therefore bugs. It's still the case that portraits from previous DLCs and the Anniversary Pack don't work, because their weird portrait path system (combined with it being case sensitive) means they're not being referenced by the game. I feel sorry for the artists assigned with making all these portraits that people never actually get to see.

And as for the new MtG vs. Legacy naval stuff... wow. I bet that one caused some arguments among the devs and beta testers.

 

[TheNexxus]

I’m pretty much giving up on the legacy stuff going forward (modding) There’s too much of a discrepancy between non-MtG and MtG ship variants to try and balance (especially with the new MtG technology that isn’t available without the DLC). I spent over an hour just going through the beta files to incorporate the new changes into my work, and I’ll probably end up doing it again next week with the official release. It would be great if there was a way to apply mod changes without having to completely overwrite an entire file, but I digress.

 

[Teadrinker]

"naval_avoid_region >= 600 will disable regions for missions as well now. Germany disables the channel if ENG is still a threat"

Thank you!

 

[Beagá]

Play more than 1 game before making incorrect statements.

I can post many screenshots if you want, or you can prove your theory. It´s OBVIOUS I played the patch more than once so don´t treat me as a moron, ok?