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HoI4 Dev Diary - France Rework

Bonjour! Today we will be talking about the upcoming rework of the French focus tree. At this point in development, not all the art is in, so some of the things you’ll see are still work in progress.

We are well aware that the France Focus Tree currently in the game is perhaps not the worst of the remaining vanilla trees, but we believe that reworking France allows us to better integrate some of the new features coming in the upcoming DLC. For that reason we have decided to split “the French Experience” (™ pending) across three weeks. Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

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While the basic French Focus Tree was good, we wanted to improve on it a bit. Specifically, a France that survived past about 1941 would find itself entirely out of focuses, so the new focus tree would have to be deeper. In addition, we wanted to have a more accurate representation of the many issues that impacted French policy-making in the period, and to have decisions you make come back to haunt you (“Short-term solutions cause long-term problems”).

We also wanted to give proper representation to the unusual state of affairs that existed between the Vichy government and the Fighting French under de Gaulle, but you’ll have to wait for a bit longer to see just what we have in store for them.

The French tree as it is currently in the game represents fairly well what has become the unofficial focus tree design philosophy: Separate branches for industry, the armed forces, politics and alternate ideologies. So the base structure should still look familiar.

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The Industry branch has been expanded by a system that I, in all humility, consider to be pretty clever: the “Invest in…” focuses give you building slots in a number of states in the area, with later focuses adding factories into each of the states previously invested in. That means the longer you wait in pulling the trigger on the Colonial/Civilian/Military Industry focuses, the bigger the payoff - but it comes later in the game. If you take all the investment focuses, you can get a whopping 18 civilian factories and 14 military factories in just three focuses (numbers are, of course, absolutely, 100%, final and won’t ever be changed for any reason).

In the political sphere, we decided not to introduce a fully new gameplay mechanic for France when we already have a perfectly functional stability and war support system that works fairly well in representing the internal politics of the Third Republic. To put it simply, you will have to tread a narrow line between raising your stability by lowering your war support and raising your war support by lowering your stability. Should your stability drop below 25% for too long, a civil war breaks out. To make matters worse, you have to contend with far-right and far-left groups taking to the streets in anger if you make decisions that they disagree with, potentially lowering your stability even further. You can ban these groups - at a stability penalty depending on their relative popularity, which might be difficult to recover from.

The threat of civil war is removed when you go to war with another country, and the political violence stops if you can get stability above 70% but it returns if stability drops below 50% without political action being taken to remove the causes.

And if all that wasn’t enough, France suffers from rather significant issues with manpower. The gruelling losses of the Great War had demographic effects down the line - fewer Frenchmen meaning fewer children being born, meaning fewer men reaching military age some 20 years after the war ended. This is represented by a national spirit reducing your recruitable population factor. Simply increasing your recruitment laws won’t save you, since you are now pulling workers away from their workbenches, causing a severe production penalty. You will have different ways of dealing with this issue, but expanding the citizenship and encouraging immigration might not be welcomed by everyone (the timescale of the game means you can’t make up the shortfall through new family policies).

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In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors. The new diplomacy branch will also allow you to not just invite countries to the Little Entente, but to also invest in them and grant them some military factories, and later invite Britain and the Commonwealth to join your faction. It also allows you to exchange guarantees with the Soviets, or try to form a common faction with Italy. The so-called Stresa Front was already pretty much over and done in 1936, due to differences in opinion between Britain, France and Italy about the Italian-Ethopian border (mostly because Italy believed it shouldn’t exist). To revive that alliance, you’ll have to make some concessions and hand over some territory to Italy. If you can convince Britain to back you, it will make Italy even more likely to join you.

All ideologies get the option to intervene in the Spanish Civil War, but as you might expect for such a historically contentious topic, it comes with a stability penalty, which, in the worst case, can tip you over the edge into your own civil war.

Should you, for reasons passing understanding, not want to experience the historically accurate French experience, we have greatly deepened the alt-history focus trees. Starting with the formation of the Popular Front under Leon Blum (no relation), you can choose to invite the communists to the government (instead of simply having them tolerate you). From there you go on to implement more of the communist agenda, such as legal equality for women, economic centralization and propaganda to prepare the population for the inevitable revolution (we are, after all, talking about France). After you have forced the issue by essentially breaking up the temporary alliance with more moderate forces and having communists take power directly.

After the revolution you essentially have three choices: You can either dial back the revolutionary vigor and try to reconcile with the rest of the country to pursue a broad-front approach to fighting fascism, or you can double down and decide to spread the revolution by any means necessary. Some of the stuff in this tree dips into some new mechanics which aren’t quite ready yet.

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On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France. Much like with the Popular Front, you can stay democratic and reform the country with a more market-liberal approach, or you can forge an alliance with the far-right elements and topple the republican government to start the “National Regeneration”, imagined as a less radical version of the National Revolution attempted by the Vichy government. Once the disgustingly republican form of government is removed, you can choose between two main branches.

One, under Francois de la Rocque, has you form a Latin Entente with Spain, Portugal and Italy and later split up Africa into zones of control, with France taking most of the west and Italy taking the east of the continent. With de la Rocque representing a more independent version of an authoritarian France (whether or not he was a bona-fide fascist can certainly be debated, that he has the kind of military background and authoritarian mindset that other fascists had is, I believe, less controversial), the other branch is lead by Jacques Doriot, and entails coming to an understanding with fascist Germany. After agreeing to split the low countries between you and joining the axis, you can put some pressure on Belgium. You can either anschluss Wallonia or force the entirety of Belgium to become your puppet. Once this is accomplished, you remind them that puppets don’t get to have colonial territories right next to their master’s. Beyond this, you mostly tag along with the German strategy by opening up a second front in North Africa.

Finally, there are the Monarchists. French monarchism at the time was closely related to the political far-right (being anti-republican made the idea of a monarchy a logical rallying point), so it makes sense that they spin off from the reactionary branch. The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (you have to be below 35% stability to take the first focus) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides. As such, you don’t immediately select a king - you first create the groundwork for a return to the monarchy by repealing the Law of Exile (which banned any pretender to the throne, or their heir, from setting foot on French soil) before picking one of three candidates (because having only one pretender is for the Boche!).

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The Orleanist candidate was perhaps the most moderate of the pretenders, ruling largely along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. As such, you focus heavily on social welfare and containing fascism - ironically, one of the first acts is to inform the arch-reactionary Action Francaise that they have served their purpose and will now no longer be needed. On the other end, the Bonapartist candidate has an ambitious program of reshuffling the borders of Europe and restore the family name. In the middle between the two are the Legitimists, which is a faction that split from the Orleanists in 1830 and which maintains that the Orleanist heir is not, in fact, the legitimate pretender to the throne. Through a number of dynastic events, the legitimate pretender to the throne of France, according to the Legitimists, is none other than the previously deposed King of Spain. As such, the obvious goal is to restore both his crowns to him, and potentially unite the two realms of France and Spain into a double monarchy (because that worked out so well for Austria-Hungary and Denmark-Norway).

Since the current French focus tree already has some (short) alternate ideology branches, these old branches will still be present if you don’t have the DLC, and replace the branches starting with “Invite Communist Ministers” and “Utilize the Leagues”, respectively.

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Finally, we also spent some time making sure France has the full lineup of design companies and some options in terms of naval designers.

That’s all for today. Next week we will talk about the rework of the Resistance and Occupation system coming with 1.8!
 
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Napoleon was a career officer with artillery training from the military academy. He was extremely talented as an artillerist, and later used well also his elite infantry, the Old Guard. But he was not a cavalryman. Napoleon was so taleted as a young officer that he was promoted directly from Major to Brigadier General after winning the British in Toulon. At that time, it was for his skills, he became politician later.

Napoleon wasn't trained as a cavalrymen, but he used cavalry liberally in his campaigns. He also blamed his Russian failure on his lack of light cavalry for reconnaissance, which allowed the Russian Army to evade him and keep harassing his troops whether he advanced or retreated.
 
P.S. The Old Guard was only used once - at Waterloo and got their French asses kicked to hell by the BRITISH Foot Guards
The Old Guard wasn't called that for nothing; they were the veterans of many campaigns, with a core that had fought with Napoleon in Italy when he was still a Republican French officer; they fought at Marengo in 1800 (suffering heavy losses to Émigré French cavalrymen serving in the Austrian army), they famously fought the Russians at Austerlitz in 1805 and Eylau in 1807; they were one of the few effective units left during the 1812 retreat through Russia, and fought in the vanguard at the Berezina; they also played a key role in the desperate battle of Hanau in 1813; during the 1815 campaign they served well at Ligny and part of them was busy fighting the Prussians in Plancenoit while the rest was kept in reserve for the "final push". Eventually, it took at least three different allied units to defeat them:
The Guards first received fire from some Brunswick battalions, but the return fire of the grenadiers forced them to retire. Next, Colin Halket's brigade front line consisting of the 30th Foot and 73rd traded fire but they were driven back in confusion into the 33rd and 69th regiments, Halket was shot in the face and seriously wounded and the whole brigade retreated in a mob. Other Anglo-allied troops began to give way as well. A counterattack by the Nassauers and the remains of Kielmansegge's brigade from the Anglo-allied second line, led by the Prince of Orange, was also thrown back and the Prince of Orange was seriously wounded. General Harlet brought up the 4th Grenadiers and the Anglo-allied centre was now in serious danger of breaking.

It was at this moment that the timely arrival of the Dutch General Chassé turned the tide in favour of the Anglo-allied army. Chassé's relatively fresh Dutch division was sent against them, led by a battery of Dutch horse-artillery commanded by Captain Krahmer de Bichin. The battery opened a destructive fire into the 1st/3rd Grenadiers' flank. This still did not stop the Guard's advance, so Chassé ordered his first brigade, commanded by Colonel Hendrik Detmers, to charge the outnumbered French with the bayonet; the French grenadiers then faltered and broke. The 4th Grenadiers, seeing their comrades retreat and having suffered heavy casualties themselves, now wheeled right about and retired.

To the left of the 4th Grenadiers were the two squares of the 1st/ and 2nd/3rd Chasseurs who angled further to the west and had suffered more from artillery fire than the grenadiers. But as their advance mounted the ridge they found it apparently abandoned and covered with dead. Suddenly 1,500 British Foot Guards under Maitland who had been lying down to protect themselves from the French artillery rose and devastated them with point-blank volleys. The chasseurs deployed to answer the fire, but some 300 fell from the first volley, including Colonel Mallet and General Michel, and both battalion commanders. A bayonet charge by the Foot Guards then broke the leaderless squares, which fell back onto the following column. The 4th Chasseurs battalion, 800 strong, now came up onto the exposed battalions of British Foot Guards, who lost all cohesion and dashed back up the slope as a disorganized crowd with the chasseurs in pursuit. At the crest the chasseurs came upon the battery that had caused severe casualties on the 1st and 2nd/3rd Chasseurs. They opened fire and swept away the gunners. The left flank of their square now came under fire from a heavy formation of British skirmishers, which the chasseurs drove back. But the skirmishers were replaced by the 52nd Light Infantry, led by John Colborne, which wheeled in line onto the chasseurs' flank and poured a devastating fire into them. The chasseurs returned a very sharp fire which killed or wounded some 150 men of the 52nd. The 52nd then charged, and under this onslaught, the chasseurs broke.
 
There is an option I would like to see in the focus tree or as an event chain. At the moment germans break through northern french lines, French could take the option of fighting a defensive battle in continental France while the governement lead by Renaud and de Gaulle as war secretary of state organize the move of industry, men, prototypes, supply and anything else that can be moved in North Africa in order to keep fighting the Germans.

This options was studied by a group of historians in an uchrony called "1940 Et si la France avait continué la guerre..." and then "1941-1942 Et si la France avait continué la guerre..." both published ( The title means "What if France keeps fighting the war..."). The autors, mainly professional historians, explore the political, strategical, and logistical feasability of such a choice. You can check their great work in this website : "1940lafrancecontinue", although it is written in french.
I think that such an option could provide an interesting way to keep a France defeated in 1940 in the fight, with a not so ahistorical path.

To throw an idea on the blackboard...
 
yeah we had those B1-bis but how are you donna build them starting with 6 mil and some awful modifiers (like -0.8PP/day that takes 2 years to remove...)
 
yeah we had those B1-bis but how are you donna build them starting with 6 mil and some awful modifiers (like -0.8PP/day that takes 2 years to remove...)

Yes, France really need more military factories at the begining of the game. Because the first military power in Europe in 1936 (or maybe the second after USSR), who has the same number of military factories than Belgium, it's just ridiculous, and historically wrong.

The probleme from France it isn't industrial in fact (except for aeronautics whose productivity is very insufficient), but it's his command unsuitable for modern warfare.
 
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Yes, France really need more military factories at the begining of the game. Because the first military power in Europe in 1936 (or maybe the second after USSR), who has the same number of military factories than Belgium, it's just ridiculous, and historically wrong.

The probleme from France it isn't industrial in fact (except for aeronautics whose productivity is very insufficient), but it's his command unsuitable for modern warfare.
Are we talking about the same France that couldn't even replace the Lebel Model 1886 and Berthier rifles (another turn of the century design) with sufficient MAS-36 (design approved in 1929, production not started until 1937, only 250,000 produced prior to the Battle of France (about enough to equip 1/2 of its frontline forces)).
 
Are we talking about the same France that couldn't even replace the Lebel Model 1886 and Berthier rifles (another turn of the century design) with sufficient MAS-36 (design approved in 1929, production not started until 1937, only 250,000 produced prior to the Battle of France (about enough to equip 1/2 of its frontline forces)).

Well, it's not like the Great Depression had anything to do with that...
 
Are we talking about the same France that couldn't even replace the Lebel Model 1886 and Berthier rifles (another turn of the century design) with sufficient MAS-36 (design approved in 1929, production not started until 1937, only 250,000 produced prior to the Battle of France (about enough to equip 1/2 of its frontline forces)).
Because in the early 30's, the French army judged the production of a new rifle as prohibitive after the Great Depression and had chosen a program of transformation of weapons in stock. But it was a failure, because it's too complicated to modify them, which has delayed the commissioning of a new rifle.
So yes in 1940 the French lacked of MAS-36, but at the same time, they had 3 582 tanks vs 3 119 germans tanks, and had 10 700 artilleries versus 7 378 germans artilleries.

When I say that France lacks a factory, I do not necessarily say that it takes so many more factories. But seriously, France has the same number of military factories as Belgium , it's a joke.
 
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Because in the early 30's, the French army judged the production of a new rifle as prohibitive after the Great Depression and had chosen a program of transformation of weapons in stock. But it was a failure, because it's too complicated to modify them, which has delayed the commissioning of a new rifle.
So yes in 1940 the French lacked of MAS-36, but at the same time, they had 3 582 tanks vs 3 119 germans tanks, and had 10 700 artilleries versus 7 378 germans artilleries.

When I say that France lacks a factory, I do not necessarily say that it takes so many more factories. But seriously, France has the same number of military factories as Belgium , it's a joke.

It seems that France will now start with more industry:
In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors.
 
i hope we'll be able to at least match cezch and polish 9 factories if it needs to be nerfed to get a historical collapse?
and yeah France does start with the 3rd number of civs, after USA and SU
 
Question for the devs though.

Are you finally going to make Leclerc a Free French only General? His rank as captain in the pre war years isn't enough to allow him as a general.
 
I feel like Orleanists don't have a lot to do in terms of foreign policy. They need a 'Wilheminism' focus of their own!

and a way to rekindle the ancient anglo-french rivalry...
And the bonapartist branch lacks of an Italian campaign, Napoleon was also King of Italy so the new emperor could claim the title.