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HoI4 Dev Diary - France Rework

Bonjour! Today we will be talking about the upcoming rework of the French focus tree. At this point in development, not all the art is in, so some of the things you’ll see are still work in progress.

We are well aware that the France Focus Tree currently in the game is perhaps not the worst of the remaining vanilla trees, but we believe that reworking France allows us to better integrate some of the new features coming in the upcoming DLC. For that reason we have decided to split “the French Experience” (™ pending) across three weeks. Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

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While the basic French Focus Tree was good, we wanted to improve on it a bit. Specifically, a France that survived past about 1941 would find itself entirely out of focuses, so the new focus tree would have to be deeper. In addition, we wanted to have a more accurate representation of the many issues that impacted French policy-making in the period, and to have decisions you make come back to haunt you (“Short-term solutions cause long-term problems”).

We also wanted to give proper representation to the unusual state of affairs that existed between the Vichy government and the Fighting French under de Gaulle, but you’ll have to wait for a bit longer to see just what we have in store for them.

The French tree as it is currently in the game represents fairly well what has become the unofficial focus tree design philosophy: Separate branches for industry, the armed forces, politics and alternate ideologies. So the base structure should still look familiar.

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The Industry branch has been expanded by a system that I, in all humility, consider to be pretty clever: the “Invest in…” focuses give you building slots in a number of states in the area, with later focuses adding factories into each of the states previously invested in. That means the longer you wait in pulling the trigger on the Colonial/Civilian/Military Industry focuses, the bigger the payoff - but it comes later in the game. If you take all the investment focuses, you can get a whopping 18 civilian factories and 14 military factories in just three focuses (numbers are, of course, absolutely, 100%, final and won’t ever be changed for any reason).

In the political sphere, we decided not to introduce a fully new gameplay mechanic for France when we already have a perfectly functional stability and war support system that works fairly well in representing the internal politics of the Third Republic. To put it simply, you will have to tread a narrow line between raising your stability by lowering your war support and raising your war support by lowering your stability. Should your stability drop below 25% for too long, a civil war breaks out. To make matters worse, you have to contend with far-right and far-left groups taking to the streets in anger if you make decisions that they disagree with, potentially lowering your stability even further. You can ban these groups - at a stability penalty depending on their relative popularity, which might be difficult to recover from.

The threat of civil war is removed when you go to war with another country, and the political violence stops if you can get stability above 70% but it returns if stability drops below 50% without political action being taken to remove the causes.

And if all that wasn’t enough, France suffers from rather significant issues with manpower. The gruelling losses of the Great War had demographic effects down the line - fewer Frenchmen meaning fewer children being born, meaning fewer men reaching military age some 20 years after the war ended. This is represented by a national spirit reducing your recruitable population factor. Simply increasing your recruitment laws won’t save you, since you are now pulling workers away from their workbenches, causing a severe production penalty. You will have different ways of dealing with this issue, but expanding the citizenship and encouraging immigration might not be welcomed by everyone (the timescale of the game means you can’t make up the shortfall through new family policies).

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In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors. The new diplomacy branch will also allow you to not just invite countries to the Little Entente, but to also invest in them and grant them some military factories, and later invite Britain and the Commonwealth to join your faction. It also allows you to exchange guarantees with the Soviets, or try to form a common faction with Italy. The so-called Stresa Front was already pretty much over and done in 1936, due to differences in opinion between Britain, France and Italy about the Italian-Ethopian border (mostly because Italy believed it shouldn’t exist). To revive that alliance, you’ll have to make some concessions and hand over some territory to Italy. If you can convince Britain to back you, it will make Italy even more likely to join you.

All ideologies get the option to intervene in the Spanish Civil War, but as you might expect for such a historically contentious topic, it comes with a stability penalty, which, in the worst case, can tip you over the edge into your own civil war.

Should you, for reasons passing understanding, not want to experience the historically accurate French experience, we have greatly deepened the alt-history focus trees. Starting with the formation of the Popular Front under Leon Blum (no relation), you can choose to invite the communists to the government (instead of simply having them tolerate you). From there you go on to implement more of the communist agenda, such as legal equality for women, economic centralization and propaganda to prepare the population for the inevitable revolution (we are, after all, talking about France). After you have forced the issue by essentially breaking up the temporary alliance with more moderate forces and having communists take power directly.

After the revolution you essentially have three choices: You can either dial back the revolutionary vigor and try to reconcile with the rest of the country to pursue a broad-front approach to fighting fascism, or you can double down and decide to spread the revolution by any means necessary. Some of the stuff in this tree dips into some new mechanics which aren’t quite ready yet.

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On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France. Much like with the Popular Front, you can stay democratic and reform the country with a more market-liberal approach, or you can forge an alliance with the far-right elements and topple the republican government to start the “National Regeneration”, imagined as a less radical version of the National Revolution attempted by the Vichy government. Once the disgustingly republican form of government is removed, you can choose between two main branches.

One, under Francois de la Rocque, has you form a Latin Entente with Spain, Portugal and Italy and later split up Africa into zones of control, with France taking most of the west and Italy taking the east of the continent. With de la Rocque representing a more independent version of an authoritarian France (whether or not he was a bona-fide fascist can certainly be debated, that he has the kind of military background and authoritarian mindset that other fascists had is, I believe, less controversial), the other branch is lead by Jacques Doriot, and entails coming to an understanding with fascist Germany. After agreeing to split the low countries between you and joining the axis, you can put some pressure on Belgium. You can either anschluss Wallonia or force the entirety of Belgium to become your puppet. Once this is accomplished, you remind them that puppets don’t get to have colonial territories right next to their master’s. Beyond this, you mostly tag along with the German strategy by opening up a second front in North Africa.

Finally, there are the Monarchists. French monarchism at the time was closely related to the political far-right (being anti-republican made the idea of a monarchy a logical rallying point), so it makes sense that they spin off from the reactionary branch. The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (you have to be below 35% stability to take the first focus) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides. As such, you don’t immediately select a king - you first create the groundwork for a return to the monarchy by repealing the Law of Exile (which banned any pretender to the throne, or their heir, from setting foot on French soil) before picking one of three candidates (because having only one pretender is for the Boche!).

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The Orleanist candidate was perhaps the most moderate of the pretenders, ruling largely along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. As such, you focus heavily on social welfare and containing fascism - ironically, one of the first acts is to inform the arch-reactionary Action Francaise that they have served their purpose and will now no longer be needed. On the other end, the Bonapartist candidate has an ambitious program of reshuffling the borders of Europe and restore the family name. In the middle between the two are the Legitimists, which is a faction that split from the Orleanists in 1830 and which maintains that the Orleanist heir is not, in fact, the legitimate pretender to the throne. Through a number of dynastic events, the legitimate pretender to the throne of France, according to the Legitimists, is none other than the previously deposed King of Spain. As such, the obvious goal is to restore both his crowns to him, and potentially unite the two realms of France and Spain into a double monarchy (because that worked out so well for Austria-Hungary and Denmark-Norway).

Since the current French focus tree already has some (short) alternate ideology branches, these old branches will still be present if you don’t have the DLC, and replace the branches starting with “Invite Communist Ministers” and “Utilize the Leagues”, respectively.

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Finally, we also spent some time making sure France has the full lineup of design companies and some options in terms of naval designers.

That’s all for today. Next week we will talk about the rework of the Resistance and Occupation system coming with 1.8!
 
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SHaving Germany be the first target would boost the chance for France to hold its ground better. Also i would like to raise the idea of it being an optional side focus within the path like 'Disunite Germany' as besides Napoleon I the Bonaparts didn't have terrible relations with the UK and so would only regard them as a secondary target compared to Germany.

I'll add that the Bonapartist pretender at the time, Louis (Napoléon) Bonaparte, was born and raised in Belgium, and he spent quite some time in England with Napoléon III's widow Eugénie. And Napoléon III's son died serving the British army in South-Africa.
 
I personally hope that all 3 of the monarchist branches get just a liiittle bit more focuses. I mean the "Legitimate Heir" only had 2 after that, so it would be kind of empty, also the air tree is very lacking in my opinion. (At least from what we can generalize that is just 1-2 bonuses for a single plane type and 1-2 bonuses for an air doctrine).
Also like many have said, please make some focuses at least for vichy france ;)! (And possibly help the vichy ai not lose North Africa every game :D).
 
On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France.
I hope this is just a typo since Pierre Laval was the PM of France in 1936 who lost to the Popular Front. Speaking of which, how will Daladier and Reynaud come into play later on?
 
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That looks awesome! Thank you for adding more possible nations to the game!

Few questions (Sorry in advance for paragraphs)
1. I was wondering if it was possible in France too? Possibly adding Brittany, Corsica, The Basque country and the Catalonia, both in Spain and the French territory of Pyrénées-Orientales and the French Basque country respectively? (Possibly done with a Spanish focus showing releasable Galicia, Aaragon and Asturias too ;) )

2. As for the German nations, does this mean its possible there will be a rework of states in West Germany, as there was with East Germany and the Pre WW1 borders?
For example Eupen-Malmedy, North Schleswig (which the releasable Schleswig-Holstein would have cores on) and a closer border to that the German states had with the First French Empire to really bring back that Napoleon love, like was done with the Austro-Hungarian borders in the Balkans.

3. Now that it is possible to release Hanover, will it be possible for the UK under the monarchist path to have a small added focus, re-establishing the claim on the region and have Hanover as a puppet? (A new Personal union as it were)

Once again, brilliant work, thank you! I cant wait to bring back Bonaparte, expand France and make a confederation of the Rhine 2 electric boogaloo while also Taking back Louisiana and Quebec! :)
 
How many possible heads of state will you have to put in France after this rework? We will still start with Daladier or it will be Blum at the beginning of the game
 
I would prefer 40 widths to have more downsides. If people want big ones I think its fine, but there should be tradeoffs (that arent just economic). Its a deeply ingrained thing in HOI4 so dont expect a solution until we revamp land warfare

@podcat Revamping land warfare seems like a massive undertaking, how far would you be willing to go with this? As it stands land combat is still very similar to that of hoi3, are you thinking paradigm shift or something that is still grounded on what came before?
Looking forward to this next expansion, keep up the good work guys.
 
This looks pretty fantastic.

Two things aren't looking so hot: the communist portion of the tree looks pretty unspectacular. Communism wasn't just another national ideology, it had the aim of world revolution. We really, really need to seem some features regarding subversion, political propaganda, and sponsoring foreign revolutions. There also doesn't seem to be anything relating to decolonization which seems a bit odd. I know the French tended to view their colonies as integral parts of the homeland, but that view obviously wasn't shared by the Moroccans, Algerians, Vietnamese, etc.

It would have been nice to see something with having a choice between "national communism" and releasing the colonies, or destroying the French State and creating a Soviet style federal union of different nationalities, perhaps making this a dynamic process where only those nations who agree to the Union are incorporated, sort of like a modified Imperial Federation. Perhaps it is not too late to implement something like this? It would make the communist choice much more compelling and breathe a lot of life and excitement into it. The Soviets destroyed the Russian Empire, but reincorporated the former colonial subjects as part of a federation of nations. It's disappointing enough that we never saw this option for Britain or the Netherlands, but France has a strong opportunity here.

The part of the tree relating to Air warfare is frankly embarrassing. This is the case with most aerial portions of focus trees. They're really lacking much interesting and it's getting more difficult to overlook.



On the other side, I'm glad to see an option for Spanish intervention and that this will have drawbacks(one of the reasons it didn't happen historically is exactly this, there were many fascistic sympathizers of Franco), and it's also interesting to see an option to bring King Alfonso to the throne.

Alfonso shouldn't be a likely candidate for the Nationalists themselves to bring to power. Historically the Carlist Traditional Communion and its paramilitary, the Requetes, along with the fascist blueshirts of FE de las JONS of Primo de Rivera contributed the bulk of the war effort on the nationalist side. In the fall of 1936 the generals in charge of the Junta assembled to decide who should lead the nationalists. Franco came out top here, but this wasn't inevitable, and had a lot to do with the fact that a lot of Franco's potential rivals had conveniently died(as Primo de Rivera himself was in the Republican zone when the war began, and was arrested immediately, but obviously this shouldn't be inevitable!).

In any case, the prominence of both the Falange Española and the Carlist Traditionalist Communion meant that Franco merged them into a single organization, the Falange Española Tradicionalista, the last word being a nod to the addition of the Carlists. Restoring Alfonso wasn't a realistic prospect for the nationalists because of the huge significance of the the Carlists to the Nationalist coalition.

Of course it was Alfonso's grandson who eventually took the throne in 1975. Franco proclaimed Spain a Kingdom in 1947(IIRC, may have been 1948 or 49) but no King took the throne until 1975, nor was Juan Carlos decided as Franco's successor until around 1970. This was kept in the air for so long in part because Franco didn't want to undermine his own power and authority, but also because no 'Alfonsine' candidate could be chosen without alienating the Carlists. By 1970 they were all geriatrics or dead, so it no longer mattered. This was not the case in the 1930's and 40's.

I never noticed it until recently, but the current non-aligned party for Spain is the Radical Republican Party led by Alejandro Lerroux. Funnily enough this was arguably the only 'moderate' or centrist party in Spain at this time which was willing to cooperate with both the anti-clerical center-left and clerical center-right. It participated in a coalition which broke apart shortly before 1936, but was rocked by a huge corruption scandal in which Lerroux was implicated and destroyed the party's credibility.

I just mention this because it seems more likely we'll be seeing Spain in this DLC. By the time the Spanish tree is shown, the process of development will be far enough along that you'll have committed to a certain design beyond the point of no return, so I thought this may as well be mentioned now.
 
@Archangel85

Will there be all the leaders that were removed from power since the game start? The government changed leaders several times.

Laval, Sarraut, Blum, Chautemps, Blum (again), Daladier, Reynaud, and then Pétain.
 
Seems good... Especially monarchist focuses... Very curious if there will be some kind of rework of air warfare, not sure if it fits with France or Italy