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HoI4 Dev Diary - France Rework

Bonjour! Today we will be talking about the upcoming rework of the French focus tree. At this point in development, not all the art is in, so some of the things you’ll see are still work in progress.

We are well aware that the France Focus Tree currently in the game is perhaps not the worst of the remaining vanilla trees, but we believe that reworking France allows us to better integrate some of the new features coming in the upcoming DLC. For that reason we have decided to split “the French Experience” (™ pending) across three weeks. Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

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While the basic French Focus Tree was good, we wanted to improve on it a bit. Specifically, a France that survived past about 1941 would find itself entirely out of focuses, so the new focus tree would have to be deeper. In addition, we wanted to have a more accurate representation of the many issues that impacted French policy-making in the period, and to have decisions you make come back to haunt you (“Short-term solutions cause long-term problems”).

We also wanted to give proper representation to the unusual state of affairs that existed between the Vichy government and the Fighting French under de Gaulle, but you’ll have to wait for a bit longer to see just what we have in store for them.

The French tree as it is currently in the game represents fairly well what has become the unofficial focus tree design philosophy: Separate branches for industry, the armed forces, politics and alternate ideologies. So the base structure should still look familiar.

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The Industry branch has been expanded by a system that I, in all humility, consider to be pretty clever: the “Invest in…” focuses give you building slots in a number of states in the area, with later focuses adding factories into each of the states previously invested in. That means the longer you wait in pulling the trigger on the Colonial/Civilian/Military Industry focuses, the bigger the payoff - but it comes later in the game. If you take all the investment focuses, you can get a whopping 18 civilian factories and 14 military factories in just three focuses (numbers are, of course, absolutely, 100%, final and won’t ever be changed for any reason).

In the political sphere, we decided not to introduce a fully new gameplay mechanic for France when we already have a perfectly functional stability and war support system that works fairly well in representing the internal politics of the Third Republic. To put it simply, you will have to tread a narrow line between raising your stability by lowering your war support and raising your war support by lowering your stability. Should your stability drop below 25% for too long, a civil war breaks out. To make matters worse, you have to contend with far-right and far-left groups taking to the streets in anger if you make decisions that they disagree with, potentially lowering your stability even further. You can ban these groups - at a stability penalty depending on their relative popularity, which might be difficult to recover from.

The threat of civil war is removed when you go to war with another country, and the political violence stops if you can get stability above 70% but it returns if stability drops below 50% without political action being taken to remove the causes.

And if all that wasn’t enough, France suffers from rather significant issues with manpower. The gruelling losses of the Great War had demographic effects down the line - fewer Frenchmen meaning fewer children being born, meaning fewer men reaching military age some 20 years after the war ended. This is represented by a national spirit reducing your recruitable population factor. Simply increasing your recruitment laws won’t save you, since you are now pulling workers away from their workbenches, causing a severe production penalty. You will have different ways of dealing with this issue, but expanding the citizenship and encouraging immigration might not be welcomed by everyone (the timescale of the game means you can’t make up the shortfall through new family policies).

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In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors. The new diplomacy branch will also allow you to not just invite countries to the Little Entente, but to also invest in them and grant them some military factories, and later invite Britain and the Commonwealth to join your faction. It also allows you to exchange guarantees with the Soviets, or try to form a common faction with Italy. The so-called Stresa Front was already pretty much over and done in 1936, due to differences in opinion between Britain, France and Italy about the Italian-Ethopian border (mostly because Italy believed it shouldn’t exist). To revive that alliance, you’ll have to make some concessions and hand over some territory to Italy. If you can convince Britain to back you, it will make Italy even more likely to join you.

All ideologies get the option to intervene in the Spanish Civil War, but as you might expect for such a historically contentious topic, it comes with a stability penalty, which, in the worst case, can tip you over the edge into your own civil war.

Should you, for reasons passing understanding, not want to experience the historically accurate French experience, we have greatly deepened the alt-history focus trees. Starting with the formation of the Popular Front under Leon Blum (no relation), you can choose to invite the communists to the government (instead of simply having them tolerate you). From there you go on to implement more of the communist agenda, such as legal equality for women, economic centralization and propaganda to prepare the population for the inevitable revolution (we are, after all, talking about France). After you have forced the issue by essentially breaking up the temporary alliance with more moderate forces and having communists take power directly.

After the revolution you essentially have three choices: You can either dial back the revolutionary vigor and try to reconcile with the rest of the country to pursue a broad-front approach to fighting fascism, or you can double down and decide to spread the revolution by any means necessary. Some of the stuff in this tree dips into some new mechanics which aren’t quite ready yet.

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On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France. Much like with the Popular Front, you can stay democratic and reform the country with a more market-liberal approach, or you can forge an alliance with the far-right elements and topple the republican government to start the “National Regeneration”, imagined as a less radical version of the National Revolution attempted by the Vichy government. Once the disgustingly republican form of government is removed, you can choose between two main branches.

One, under Francois de la Rocque, has you form a Latin Entente with Spain, Portugal and Italy and later split up Africa into zones of control, with France taking most of the west and Italy taking the east of the continent. With de la Rocque representing a more independent version of an authoritarian France (whether or not he was a bona-fide fascist can certainly be debated, that he has the kind of military background and authoritarian mindset that other fascists had is, I believe, less controversial), the other branch is lead by Jacques Doriot, and entails coming to an understanding with fascist Germany. After agreeing to split the low countries between you and joining the axis, you can put some pressure on Belgium. You can either anschluss Wallonia or force the entirety of Belgium to become your puppet. Once this is accomplished, you remind them that puppets don’t get to have colonial territories right next to their master’s. Beyond this, you mostly tag along with the German strategy by opening up a second front in North Africa.

Finally, there are the Monarchists. French monarchism at the time was closely related to the political far-right (being anti-republican made the idea of a monarchy a logical rallying point), so it makes sense that they spin off from the reactionary branch. The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (you have to be below 35% stability to take the first focus) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides. As such, you don’t immediately select a king - you first create the groundwork for a return to the monarchy by repealing the Law of Exile (which banned any pretender to the throne, or their heir, from setting foot on French soil) before picking one of three candidates (because having only one pretender is for the Boche!).

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The Orleanist candidate was perhaps the most moderate of the pretenders, ruling largely along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. As such, you focus heavily on social welfare and containing fascism - ironically, one of the first acts is to inform the arch-reactionary Action Francaise that they have served their purpose and will now no longer be needed. On the other end, the Bonapartist candidate has an ambitious program of reshuffling the borders of Europe and restore the family name. In the middle between the two are the Legitimists, which is a faction that split from the Orleanists in 1830 and which maintains that the Orleanist heir is not, in fact, the legitimate pretender to the throne. Through a number of dynastic events, the legitimate pretender to the throne of France, according to the Legitimists, is none other than the previously deposed King of Spain. As such, the obvious goal is to restore both his crowns to him, and potentially unite the two realms of France and Spain into a double monarchy (because that worked out so well for Austria-Hungary and Denmark-Norway).

Since the current French focus tree already has some (short) alternate ideology branches, these old branches will still be present if you don’t have the DLC, and replace the branches starting with “Invite Communist Ministers” and “Utilize the Leagues”, respectively.

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Finally, we also spent some time making sure France has the full lineup of design companies and some options in terms of naval designers.

That’s all for today. Next week we will talk about the rework of the Resistance and Occupation system coming with 1.8!
 
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Same thing worries me regarding Monarchies paths, i really hope there will be more stuff added to Legitimists regarding their foreign policy and Third Empire only has war goals and nothing else, maybe we will get some extra stuff in decisions instead.

I also hope this isn’t based on the American tree. I really didn’t like that one. The communist path felt boring and uninspired and most of their focuses just reduced the Great Depression. I hoped for more inspiration from Kaisseriech for some options about structuring the economy or have the Great Depression replaced with costs of establishing a better society and rebuilding combined with events and options for flavor and replayability. No internal party drama I or Trotskyist path either when they were vocal and influential in America during this period.
 
Imo France demographic problem iis already where it should be. Currently if they want to increase their military in any significant capacity they have to switch to 'Service by requirement'... that's without having a single casualty. If they exacerbate the problem and put only one spot in the national focus to address it (which what it looks like with the expand the citizenship branch) will make it a 'stay democratic or bust' proposition.
 
The only problem with AI France is they tend to convert all their divisions to very weak infantry formation. It needs to be fixed.
In settings option it also needs to have "AI division template auto creation disable" option.
 
Feels a bit weird for French communists not to have to decolonize like the British, or did I miss something?

Great updates though! I've been playing some France recently and it's actually really fun to build up and hold against the Germans, then eventually push them back with glorious heavy tanks. Will those have a bit of an extended role here as well? I saw a few tank-related focuses but of course I can't tell what they are about and what they do.
 
Feels a bit weird for French communists not to have to decolonize like the British, or did I miss something?

Great updates though! I've been playing some France recently and it's actually really fun to build up and hold against the Germans, then eventually push them back with glorious heavy tanks. Will those have a bit of an extended role here as well? I saw a few tank-related focuses but of course I can't tell what they are about and what they do.
Different countries have different situations. French colonies are to a large part integrated parts of their country in a way that the British colonies aren't.
 
France lost the war in the second year, their participation in WW2 was irrelevant.
On the contrary france fought the entire war just split between different sides. Continental France under the vichy regime fought for the axis and the free french, from their overseas holdings and volunteers, fought for the allies.
 
France lost the war in the second year, their participation in WW2 was irrelevant.

This is a fairly radical view. In many ways, Germany's victory in May/Jun/Jul 1940 was a product of French deployment decisions at the time, and French rearmament priorities beforehand. Even after France's capitulation, the Vichy fleet continued to be a significant factor, as did Vichy territories (Syria as a potential staging post for German aircraft in the Eastern Med triggering an Allied invasion, Madagascar as a potential base for Japanese forces in the Indian Ocean (granted, a tough ask for Japan to support, but looking at it in 1942, after the extreme Japanese advances and Vichy's capitulation to Japan in French Indochina, it's understandable why it was seen as a concern, particularly in the context of defending the Middle East and Persian oilfields by holding the Axis forces on the right side of the Suez canal - and, of course, French Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, the staging posts for the Allied return to Europe in force). Indeed, there's a very strong argument to be made that France was a more important nation in WW2 than Italy was, even despite their capitulation less than 12 months in.

Then, of course, French forces fought both with and against the Allies (often, when against the Allies, because the Allies gave them little choice, although the decision of the French Admiral in command at Mers el-Kabir not to let his Government know of what was possibly the most palatable political option during that crazy day is still something of a facepalm moment as best as I can understand it) post-July 1940. Multiple French divisions were in the Allied armies liberating France and moving into Germany in 1944-45.

Even if not interested in playing France, one you turn historical mode off, having a branching focus tree really opens things up as well - so even if you're going to be playing against them, unless all you do is play historical mode as Germany, Italy or Japan, having an interesting France to either fight against or try and support is, imo, well worthwhile.

In my view, the huge range of French 'what-ifs', combined with a decent challenge factor and plenty of early-war action, make them one of the most enjoyable nations in the game to play. Having a focus tree that doesn't 'peter out quickly' as the current vanilla one does reinforces this. Just my 2 cents of course, but while you personally may not be keen on playing for France, I suspect you'd have to perform a pretty decent argumentative miracle to provide a convincing case their participation in the Second World War was irrelevant, and even moreso that their role in HoI4 is (which, to be fair, isn't what you said).
 
France lost the war in the second year, their participation in WW2 was irrelevant.

just LOL. What about Poland, Czechoslovaquia, Norway, Low countries, Belgium ?

France was at the start of WW2 the 1st military in Europe. All plans made by other nations around were done with that in mind. Wehrmacht was designed to fight in France against the french army. Just because ot that impact on ww2 preparation France is a major nation.
And don't imagine other armies, in the same situation the french army had to fight (facing Blitzkrieg for the first time without strategical depth), would have stand much better. Just think how well performed the Commonwealth units during 40-41, SU during summer 41 or the US troops when they first battled against the Wehrmacht.
 
France lost the war in the second year, their participation in WW2 was irrelevant.
Czechoslovakia dissappeared from the map in 1938, Poland fell in a month, Denmark surrendered in less than 6 hours…. but guess what the entire point of the game is that it gives you tools that allows you to change that and saying France's participation in WW2 was irrelevant is not only incorrect but also insultive.
 
I would be surprised if Petain is not the leader of Vichy France.

I wouldn't be surprised if Petain, Laval and Weygand are essentially 3 of the options you get as Vichy France. Now my French WWII history isn't that great, but IIRC, even within the Vichy regime, there was quite a difference of opinion on the policy that was to be followed.
- Laval essentially turns you into a fascist, axis minor, with full collaboration with the Germans and active participation in the Axis war effort.
- Petain is essentially the historical path, mostly neutral, with volunteers to Germany, and effective defense of Vichy controlled territory.
- Weygand is the backstabbing alt history, which is about rebuilding the French army in North Africa, and when opportune, backstab the Germans.
 
- Weygand is the backstabbing alt history, which is about rebuilding the French army in North Africa, and when opportune, backstab the Germans.

I'd add that the army Weygand tried to build and reinforce in North-Africa later defected to the Allies and De Gaulle (first in Syria, then in North-Africa) and fought in Italy, landed in Provence, fought its way through the Rhône valley and then in Alsace and Germany.