Stellaris Dev Diary #159 - Galactic Community

[Iosue Yu]

We need an Event some random Empire's Admiral suggesting the Crisis is coming, and then we get the Resolution to "Dismiss that claim."

 

[Akamia]

There's a Brotherhood of Steel and Institute logo in those pictures.
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Probably teasing new flags.
Wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen flags in the game that came from somewhere else. There’s already a handful of those in the game now. The Earth Custodianship uses the United Federation of Planets’s flag (Star Trek) and there’s a Mantle of Responsibility flag (Halo) in the Round flag group. There’s also a flag based rather directly on the Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40,000) and I’m not talking about the Commonwealth’s flag. I think there’s a Terran Empire (also Star Trek) flag too. And that’s just the ones I recognize.

 

[alphamikefox]

Two questions:

1) can you add a resolution to repeal a resolution?

2) can you trade favors for favors?

 

[The Founder]

There's a Brotherhood of Steel and Institute logo in those pictures.
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This is teh Brotehrhood of steel logo:

The left one looks like Michelangelos "Human Body":

I think I saw it in the game before. Something to do with Machine Empires or Mechanical Ascension Path.

The right one does look like the BOS one, minues the Sword. Propably the closest the can get, while staying legally distinct. But again, I ahve the feeling I saw it before.

The rest of the Symbols on the flags are also unique/new.
However I get the feeling, those represent something other then Empires. None of them are used anywhere in the vote overview. So it is propably not dynmically generated based on member Empires/Members of the Galactic Council.
I bet on a static image that represents "artist rendition of a random stellaris senate".
The closest equivalent would be that Ship Image in the fleet manager. Or the one in the War Exhaustion Overview.
Generally the UI Windows do not have a lot of room to waste on pretty imagery, but this one might be the exception. It compares most to war exhaustion (because both have that tug of war bar).

 

[The Founder]

1) can you add a resolution to repeal a resolution?

Definetly. Of course you should only have the votes of teh "nay" sayers on your side.

2) can you trade favors for favors?

How would that work? I owe you a Favor for no longer owing you a Favor?

It makes little sense for 2 empires owing each other Favors. Once Empire A owes Empire B, A would prefer buying it back, rather then demanding one. And B would rather cash it in, then offering one of his.

 

[PirateJack]

Hey @grekulf, would it be possible for a member of the galactic community to call in favours with a council member so that their pet resolution becomes an emergency?

 

[Pointyearedgit]

Definetly. Of course you should only have the votes of teh "nay" sayers on your side.

I’m wondering if those resolutions were for a particular policy, as in you could have buzzword standardization *OR* leveraged privateering. Therefore, you might also be able to suggest a more popular resolution?

How would that work? I owe you a Favor for no longer owing you a Favor?

It makes little sense for 2 empires owing each other Favors. Once Empire A owes Empire B, A would prefer buying it back, rather then demanding one. And B would rather cash it in, then offering one of his.

It’s a commitment to help out the other party and vice versa, plus one empire might need to add some $$ to make the trade fair. Even as a diplomat ic heavyweight, I might want favors from small powers to push through important resolutions.

 

[Methone]

I’m wondering if those resolutions were for a particular policy, as in you could have buzzword standardization *OR* leveraged privateering. Therefore, you might also be able to suggest a more popular resolution?



It’s a commitment to help out the other party and vice versa, plus one empire might need to add some $$ to make the trade fair. Even as a diplomat ic heavyweight, I might want favors from small powers to push through important resolutions.

And as a diplomatic powerhouse, they might want you to owe them favors.

 

[Jarolleon]

I mean that tends to be the case with blanket policies right?

So the southern states didn't want slavery banned because they knew it would screw up their economy. The states that wanted abolishment had little or no slaves.

That's an extreme example, but my point is that this stuff will always apply asymetrically.

That said, I agree with the example you've given. One would think that empires with absolutely no stake in the decision would abstain.

Nitpick here, not only did the northern states have few slaves, they had already banned it decades earlier. Though if you continue that analogy, wouldn't empires with unpopular civics oppose anything that strengthens the GC, to keep their states' rights?

 

[kwheeler]

What I'd like to see is intermeshing of your local regime's factions with Galactic policies. Among your local political factions, you could have some that favor joining and some that don't, which adds to your green dots or red dots in how their demands are being met.

I'd also like to see your local factions be pleased or displeased by specific Galactic proposals you vote for or don't vote for. That way, the larger galactic politicking echoes down to your own empire's politics, either amplifying them or reverberating against them.

 

[The Founder]

I’m wondering if those resolutions were for a particular policy, as in you could have buzzword standardization *OR* leveraged privateering. Therefore, you might also be able to suggest a more popular resolution?

It did say this in the DD:

Resolutions exist in categories and have a couple of steps in each category.
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It is possible that "there can be only one" active Policy per category. But then I am unsure what the "Steps" mean. Is there like "Buzzword Standartization 2"? I mean we do had similar constructs for Faction approval.

But for your idea, you might be forgetting how the next resolution to vote on is choosen:
The one with teh highest Diplo Weight behind it is voted on next.
The more empires want it, the more likely one will propose it.
The more empires want it, the sooner it will be voted on.
If that other policy was really more popular, it would have been voted in long before the one you disliked.

 

[The Founder]

What I'd like to see is intermeshing of your local regime's factions with Galactic policies. Among your local political factions, you could have some that favor joining and some that don't, which adds to your dots or red dots in how their demands are being met.

I'd also like to see your local factions be pleased or displeased by specific Galactic proposals you vote for or don't vote for. That way, the larger galactic politicking echoes down to your own empire's politics, either amplifying them or reverberating against them.

I sure hope so. If the Military Readiness Act comes with a Miltiarist Ethics attraction for "50% Naval Cap used", then there is more to it then meets the eye.

The bulk of Ethics attraction factor are hard to control stuff. And wich resolution is passed or wich resolution you follow? That can be a interesting tradeoff.

 

[Pointyearedgit]

It did say this in the DD:

It is possible that "there can be only one" active Policy per category. But then I am unsure what the "Steps" mean. Is there like "Buzzword Standartization 2"? I mean we do had similar constructs for Faction approval.

But for your idea, you might be forgetting how the next resolution to vote on is choosen:
The one with teh highest Diplo Weight behind it is voted on next.
The more empires want it, the more likely one will propose it.
The more empires want it, the sooner it will be voted on.
If that other policy was really more popular, it would have been voted in long before the one you disliked.

First of all, politics shift constantly IRL. There are numerous reasons why something was popular earlier but this is no longer the case. Also, another empire could have grown diplomatically powerful, yet dislikes the policy.

What I am saying is, even if you can vote it out, it might be easier to replace it with something that is *currently* more popular. Obviously, this will depend on the minutes of how these mechanics work.

 

[Dmitrius]

Nitpick here, not only did the northern states have few slaves, they had already banned it decades earlier. Though if you continue that analogy, wouldn't empires with unpopular civics oppose anything that strengthens the GC, to keep their states' rights?

Probably.

 

[alphamikefox]

How would that work? I owe you a Favor for no longer owing you a Favor?

It makes little sense for 2 empires owing each other Favors. Once Empire A owes Empire B, A would prefer buying it back, rather then demanding one. And B would rather cash it in, then offering one of his.

Favors aren't spent immediately, and are spent on what you what when you want. It's like an IOU in the bank: I promise to support this thing you want so that later on you will support this thing I want. But as a game mechanic. So basically I use this much of your diplomatic weight to support buzzword standardization and you use this much of my diplomatic weight to support charter of workers rights. It's like diplomatic currency

 

[Knotz]

The left one looks like Michelangelos "Human Body":

I think I saw it in the game before. Something to do with Machine Empires or Mechanical Ascension Path.

Isn't that Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man though?



Anyway this kind of thing is exactly my crack and my Chosen One is going to have a lot of fun manipulating the galactic community over the centuries for their own good. Some things I'd like to know though are: is there a way to retract resolutions once they're passed? Are there events related to happenings at the senate (like, lets say you're pacifists and the galactic readiness one gets passed so your internal xenophobic peace factions gets a boost because they don't think your ruler did enough to oppose it OR two rulers at the senate start an affair and it's terribly salacious and you can decide to denounce them or spin it as a star crossed love affair etc)? Does the assembly happen at a specific place where, if you were so inclined, you could attack and leave the galaxy leaderless in one fell swoop? Will the interstellar assembly give you a boost to diplomatic weight?

 

[The Founder]

Though if you continue that analogy, wouldn't empires with unpopular civics oppose anything that strengthens the GC, to keep their states' rights?

We kinda already have that, but on Federation level.

I mean the whole thing with Federation Centralisation unlocking new law (levels)? I am pretty sure I have seen that one before

Favors aren't spent immediately, and are spent on what you what when you want.

But until they are spent during voting, they are still a Trade Currency. And if it was for both sides having a stockpile of alloys, A and B are very unlikely to buy alloys from one another.

By your , neither side would ever want to cash their Favors - except in the Senate. Everyone would just try to stockpile them. They would be as non-refundable as Systems are untradeable.

Isn't that Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man though?

I knew there was another guy as possible surce for this, I just could not remember his name.

 

[Pointyearedgit]

We kinda already have that, but on Federation level.

I mean the whole thing with Federation Centralisation unlocking new law (levels)? I am pretty sure I have seen that one before

Hopefully it will involve similar political maneuvering

But until they are spent during voting, they are still a Trade Currency. And if it was for both sides having a stockpile of alloys, A and B are very unlikely to buy alloys from one another.

By your , neither side would ever want to cash their Favors - except in the Senate. Everyone would just try to stockpile them. They would be as non-refundable as Systems are untradeable.

I think you are missing how these are special, they are *binding* contacts to help another empire diplomatically. Yes, they are tradable (just like loyalty in dev clashes ...), but swapping favors allows you to help another empire and *guarantee* they help you later. The fact you can trade them makes them more useful. Other goods like alloys are the same for every empire, but even then your statement could be revised, consider different time intervals. Getting alloys during a war could make the difference, which you can repay later, this is already *built into* favors.

 

[J.P.Cliffer]

2 rival super federation is more representative compared to 2 galactic council or add more things in federations.

 

[Lord Asa]

I wonder if the Interstellar Assembly will play a big role in all this, such as an empire having one in their territory has bonuses added such as less influence costs and diplomatic weight modifiers.