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Stellaris Dev Diary #270 - Traditional Results (of Summer Experiments)

WARNING: This is a long dev diary, grab a coffee and enjoy!

Hello, it’s @Alfray Stryke again! Some folks might recall that back in DD#257 that we went over some of our plans for summer experiments. In particular, I planned to look at what could be done with tradition trees and gating them behind various requirements.

Eladrin said:

Traditions​

With the flexibility in how empires can choose traditions that we introduced in 3.1 "Lem", @Alfray Stryke is planning some experiments looking at introducing new tradition trees.

These are looking at how gating tradition trees behind various triggers might influence the game. There have been some ideas suggested about introducing tradition trees that are locked behind ascension perks or origins, and we're interested to see where these may lead.
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Now what wasn’t mentioned is that I’ve been wanting to rework how the Ascension Paths from Utopia have worked for quite some time, with the original design framework written during Summer 2021, and this seemed like a good opportunity.

For those of you who attended PDXCON, Eladrin and I gave a presentation previewing our summer experiments which some members of our community were kind enough to share.

It turned out that these experiments proved successful internally and we’ll be moving to test them in the 3.6 “Orion” Open Beta. As a note, due to the length of this dev diary, I’ll be splitting sections into spoiler tags to make it slightly easier to read. Note that the numbers and effects of these changes may still change depending on testing results.

I’ll start by summarizing the current state of the Ascension Paths in 3.5:

  • Psionics
    • Only available to regular empires.
    • Requires Utopia
    • Two routes:
    • Mind over Matter AP followed by the Transcendence AP.
    • Teachers of the Shroud origin followed by the Transcendence AP.
  • Genetics
    • Available to regular empires and hive-minds.
    • Requires Utopia
    • Engineered Evolution AP and Evolutionary Mastery AP.
  • Synthetic Evolution
    • Only available to regular empires.
    • Requires Utopia
    • Flesh is Weak AP and Synthetic Evolution AP.
  • Synthetic Age
    • Only available to machine intelligences.
    • Requires Synthetic Dawn
    • Synthetic Age AP.
    • This isn’t really an ascension path, but I’m including it for completion’s sake.


So we (sort of) have between three to five ascension paths depending on how you look at things (mostly if you consider being cyborgs to be on the route to becoming synthetic or a separate thing). These have now been reworked so instead of an Ascension Path having a structure of two Ascension Perks which require various technologies or special projects, they each have an Ascension Perk which gives a guaranteed research option upon selection and grants access to the Ascension Path in the form of a tradition tree. Thus, under the rework we have the following:

  • Psionic Ascension
    • Only available to regular empires.
    • Requires Utopia
    • Mind over Matter AP OR Teachers of the Shroud origin.
    • Psionic Traditions.
  • Genetic Ascension
    • Available to regular empires and hive-minds.
    • Requires Utopia
    • Engineered Evolution AP
    • Genetic Traditions
  • Cybernetic Ascension
    • Available to regular empires, hive-minds and driven assimilators.
    • Requires Utopia
    • The Flesh is Weak AP (regular empires) OR Organo-Machine Interfacing AP (hive-minds) OR assimilate 30 pops (driven assimilators).
    • Cybernetic Traditions
  • Synthetic Ascension
    • Available to regular empires and machine intelligences.
    • Requires Utopia for regular empires
    • Requires Synthetic Dawn for machine intelligences
    • Synthetic Evolution AP OR Synthetic Age AP.
    • Synthetic Traditions

Each of these tradition trees has incorporated all of the benefits of the previous Ascension Paths, with some new goodies added for those that we felt needed them. Due to how traditions within the trees are unlocked we’ve found that this leads to a more gradual route through the paths instead of saving up Ascension Perk slots and then taking an entire path while the game is paused!

As expected, all values and art shown here are not final, things can and most likely will shift about during testing.

With all that preamble out of the way, let’s dive into the Psionic Ascension Path.
And thus by the commutative property of multiplication, Mind over Energy

The power of the [Root.GetSpeciesAdj] mind compels you

We shall unlock the power within the [Root.GetSpeciesAdj] mind.

Flow charts, now in purple

To access this tradition tree we either need to take the Mind Over Matter AP or have the Teachers of the Shroud origin (from Overlord) and have researched Psionic Theory.

What’s remained from the previous version?
  • Mind over Matter still grants Telepathy as a Research Option, requires Psionic Theory and can’t be taken as your first Ascension Perk.
  • For Teachers of the Shroud empires, the path is still partially unlocked at the start of the game and to progress requires the Psionic Theory technology.
What’s changed?
  • Mind over Matter has had the bulk of its boons either moved to the opener (the Latent Psionic trait) or the Psi-Corps tradition.
  • Transcendence has had its boons shared between the three remaining traditions.
  • The +5%/+10% Energy from jobs provided by the Latent Psionic and Psionic traits have been replaced with +5%/+10% Unity from jobs as this was more in-line with the desired focus for Psionic and particularly Spiritualist empires.
  • Telepaths previously provided a planet-wide +5% Resources from Pops modifier, this has been replaced with a +5% Resources from Psionic Pops so that non-Psionic pops in your empire no longer have their performance improved by the presence of Telepaths. However, this modifier increases to +10% when the Breach the Shroud tradition is taken, meaning that the two Telepath jobs from a Psi-Corp building will provide +20% to the resource output of the planet if all pops working are Psionic. So although a Psionic empire may have fewer pops than the other Ascension Paths, those pops should be more efficient.
What’s new?
  • Thought Enforcement is now a guaranteed research option, with the Psi-Corp tradition.
  • The Mind Readers tradition grants a new empire edict, Sight Beyond Sight. This provides some rather nice bonuses as your navy’s navigators are supplied with an abundance of Zro.:
    • +1 Sensor range
    • -15% Hyper Drive Charge Time
    • -15% Hyper Drive Cooldown
    • -15% Jump Drive Cooldown
    • +15% Quantum Catapult Accuracy.
  • The finisher for the tradition tree grants 50 edict fund and more importantly a Special Project that when completed will allow you to form a Covenant with a random Shroud Entity.

Genetic Ascension Path

In comparison, the Genetic Tradition tree is slightly simpler as the traditions themselves aren’t locked behind special projects. This is because to get the most use out of it, you’ll likely be doing a fair few special projects to modify species.
Sometimes a guiding hand is needed

Would you change who you are, if you could?

What if we could obtain genetic perfection?

Reprogram your genetic code

What’s changed?
  • The boons from Engineered Evolution and Evolutionary Mastery have been arranged to follow a logical progression through the tradition tree, with you gradually unlocking more and more advanced species modifications.
What’s new?
  • Efficient Cloning doubles the output of Clone Vats without increasing their upkeep, which should make them somewhat more competitive with empires that favour a more metallic path.
  • Enhanced Expression allows you to add another trait pick on your modified species, meaning you can cram more traits onto a species.
  • Completing Genetic traditions allows you to research special Transgenesis technologies. These technologies allow you to add Lithoid traits to non-Lithoids, Plantoid traits to non-Plantoids/Fungoids, and if you’ve harvested the DNA from certain Leviathans, you can splice some rather special traits into your species’ genetic code. The Leviathan traits available are:
    • Drake-Scaled (Ether Drake, Shard, Sky Dragon)
      • This trait requires that the player has harvested the genetic material from a space dragon (Ether Drake, Shard, or Sky Dragon). This is presented as an event option when the leviathan is slain.
      • Cost: 3
      • Each pop produces 0.025 monthly Alloys.
      • +50% Army Health
      • Mutually exclusive with other resource generating traits.
    • Voidling (Voidspawn)
      • Cost: 3
      • This trait requires that the player has harvested the genetic material from the Voidspawn. This is presented as an event option when the leviathan is slain.
      • Replaces all Food or Mineral upkeep with Energy Upkeep.
      • Habitability Floor on all planets of 50%.
      • Mutually exclusive with Phototrophic, Radiotrophic traits.
    • Polymelic (Tiyanki Matriarch)
      • Cost: 3
      • This trait requires that the player has harvested the genetic material from the Tiyanki Matriarch. This is presented as an event option when the leviathan is slain.
      • As budding but 0.05 assembly per pop.
  • We’ve also added a few new Advanced traits that are unlocked by Genetic Creation to cover some missing bases.
    • Vat-Grown
      • Cost: 3
      • -25% Pop Growth Speed
      • +25% Pop Assembly Speed
      • -10% Housing Usage
    • Felsic
      • Requires Lithoid
      • Cost: 2
      • Minerals from Livestock and Processing: +2
    • Natural Machinist
      • Cost: 2
      • +10% Alloys from Jobs
      • +10% Consumer Goods from Jobs

Now onto Cybernetic and Synthetic Ascension. To start with, we’ve split the Synthetic path into the two paths because it felt like a better fit to be able to wholly devote your empire into embracing cybernetics without going down the mind-uploading route.

Cybernetic ascension is no longer unlocked via the robotics line of technologies, instead there are new technologies to represent basic cybernetic upgrades that your population has access to. This comes with a change to the Powered Exo-Skeletons technology as well.

Powered Exo-Skeletons Technologies/Improved Servomotors
Tier 1, Engineering - Industry
+5% Army Damage
+5% Worker/Menial Drone Output

Integrated Cybernetics/Adaptive Cybernetics
Requires: Powered Exo-Skeletons Technologies/Improved Servomotors
Tier 2, Engineering - Industry
+5% Habitability

Neuro-Quantum Links
Requires: Integrated Cybernetics Technologies
Tier 3, Physics - Computing
+5% Specialist/Complex Drone Output
This technology is not available to driven assimilators

Since Cybernetic ascension is now available to Hive-Minds and Driven Assimilators, they too get access to The Flesh is Weak, albeit with a changed name and description.

The Flesh is Weak/Organo-Machine Interfacing Ascension Perk
Available to regular empires, hive-minds and driven assimilators
  • Regular Empires and Hive-Minds:
    • Requires Integrated Cybernetics Technology
  • Driven Assimilators:
    • Requires: Have assimilated 30 pops.
  • Regular Empires and Hive-Minds:
    • Gain Neuro-Quantum Links research option
  • Driven Assimilators:
    • Gain Adaptive Cybernetics research option
  • Allows taking Cybernetic Traditions.
Because Cybernetic traditions are available to multiple empire types, there’s a number of tradition swaps used here to ensure they each get something different.
But the machine is strong

These upgrades will cost you an arm and leg

Our future lies in the fusion of flesh and machine.
So many tradition swaps!

  • Opener
    • Gain access to The Flesh is Weak Special Project
  • Tradition 1: Transubstantiation Synthesis
    • Requires that The Flesh is Weak Special Project has been completed.
    • Can assimilate organic species to Cyborgs (Including into/out of Hive-Minds).
  • Tradition 1: Organ Harvesting (Swap for Fanatic Purifiers)
    • Requires that The Flesh is Weak Special Project has been completed.
    • Planets with ongoing purges gain +10% pop growth speed.
  • Tradition 2: Metabolic Reprocessing
    • -10% Cyborg Upkeep
  • Tradition 3: Integrated Anatomy
    • Allows add/remove cyborg traits (based off of robot traits) to cyborgs
  • Tradition 4: Assembly Standards
    • Unlocks Assembly Standards policy, allowing roboticists to assemble cyborgs instead of robots.
  • Tradition 5: Modular Cybernetics
    • -50% Modify Species special project cost
    • +1 Biological Trait Picks
  • Finisher:
    • +10% cyborg output
    • +1 Biological Trait Picks

  • Opener
    • Gain access to The Flesh is Weak Special Project
  • Tradition 1: Transubstantiation Synthesis
    • Requires that The Flesh is Weak Special Project has been completed.
    • Can assimilate organic species to Cyborgs (Including into/out of Hive-Minds).
  • Tradition 1: Organ Harvesting (Swap for Devouring Swarms/Terravores)
    • Requires that The Flesh is Weak Special Project has been completed.
    • Planets with ongoing purges gain +10% pop growth speed.
  • Tradition 2: Metabolic Reprocessing
    • -10% Cyborg Upkeep
    • -10% Empire Size from Cyborgs
  • Tradition 3: Integrated Anatomy
    • Allows add/remove cyborg traits (based off of robot traits) to cyborgs
  • Tradition 4: Synaptic Sub-Processing
    • -50% empire size from districts.
  • Tradition 5: Modular Cybernetics
    • -50% Modify Species special project cost
    • +1 Biological Trait Picks
  • Finisher:
    • +10% cyborg output
    • +1 Biological Trait Picks

  • Opener
    • Assimilating Organic Pops now provides Engineering Research,
    • All resources provided from Assimilation are increased..
  • Tradition 1: Inevitable Assimilation
    • Can now assimilate Hive-Minded pops.
    • +1 Pop assimilated (per planet, per year).
  • Tradition 2: Metabolic Reprocessing
    • -10% Cyborg Upkeep
    • -10% Empire Size from Cyborgs
  • Tradition 3: Integrated Anatomy
    • Allows add/remove cyborg traits (based off of robot traits) to cyborgs
  • Tradition 4: Crucible Worlds
    • Gain access to the special Crucible World planetary designation.
    • Crucible Worlds have greatly increased pop growth, provided by Crucible Drones, but have penalties to pop upkeep and output and have restrictions on certain buildings.
  • Tradition 5: Modular Cybernetics
    • -50% Modify Species special project cost
    • +1 Biological Trait Picks
  • Finisher:
    • +10% cyborg output
    • +1 Biological Trait Picks

To expand upon Cybernetic Ascension, we have added Cybernetic Traits that are only available to Cybernetic pops, after taking the Integrated Anatomy tradition. These traits make use of normal biological trait point and pick limits, but are not blocked by any biological traits. The traits available to cyborgs are based off of the traits available to robotic species, however they are slightly cheaper in terms of trait points while giving the pops a small amount of energy upkeep. These traits are as follows:

Positive traits
These all increase pop upkeep by 0.5 energy/month.
  • Power Drills, Cost 1, +15% minerals from jobs
  • Harvesters, Cost 1, +15% food from jobs
  • Superconductive, Cost 1, +15% energy from jobs
  • Efficient Processors, Cost 2, +5% resources from jobs
  • Logic Engines, Cost 1, +10% research from jobs
  • Loyalty Circuits, Cost 1, +10% happiness
  • Double-Jointed, Cost 1, -10% pop housing usage, +15% pop growth from immigration, -25% resettlement cost
  • Enhanced Memory, Cost 1, +2 leader level cap,
  • Durable, Cost 1, pop amenities usage -0.5
  • Learning Algorithms, Cost 1, +25% leader experience, +1 leader level cap
  • Streamlined Protocols, Cost 1, -10% empire size from pops
  • Trading Algorithms, Cost 1, +25% trade value from jobs.

Negative traits
  • Bulky, Cost -2, +10% pop housing usage, -15% pop growth from immigration, +25% resettlement cost
  • High Maintenance, Cost -2, pop amenities usage +0.5
  • Power Intensive, Cost -1, increases pop upkeep by 1 energy/month.
  • Neural Limiters, Cost -2, -25% leader experience, -1 leader level cap
  • High Bandwidth, Cost -2, +10% empire size from pops

Additionally, the Trading Algorithms trait is available to both robots and cyborgs.

Onto the path of the machine…

The first thing with this that I want to address is comparing the Synthetic Age AP with the options available to regular empires was rather damning. Only +2 trait points and -33% species modification cost left a lot to be desired for any machine intelligence. Thus one of the first things I wanted to do with this was make the Synthetic path available to machine intelligences. The APs required to access this tradition tree are

Synthetic Evolution Ascension Perk
Available to regular empires
  • Requires: Droids Technology
  • Gain Synthetics as a research option
  • Allows taking Synthetic Traditions.

Synthetic Age Ascension Perk
Available to machine intelligences
  • Requires: Machine Template System Technology
  • Gain Binary Motivators as a research option
  • Allows taking Synthetic Traditions.
We're all just cogs in the machine

Beep boop beep

It is the dawn of a Synthetic Age.​
A synthetic dawn approaches

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  • Opener
    • Allows recruitment of robotic leaders
  • Tradition 1: Maintenance Protocols
    • −10% Robot Amenities Usage
  • Tradition 2: Optimization Algorithms
    • +10% Robot Output
  • Tradition 3: Synthetic Age
    • Requires the Synthetics technology to be researched
    • For Non-Purifiers:
      • Grants the Synthetic Evolution Special Project
      • Can assimilate organic, robotic and machine species to Synths (after completing the special project).
    • For Fanatic Purifiers:
      • +10% Robot Assembly Speed
  • Tradition 4: Prefabricated Components
    • -50% Modify Species special project cost
  • Tradition 5: Solid-State Actuators
    • +2 Robot Modification Points
  • Finisher:
    • +1 Trait Pick for Robots.
    • +1 Roboticist job added to capital building

  • Opener
    • Can assimilate robot and machine species into your primary machine species.
  • Tradition 1: Maintenance Protocols
    • −10% Machine Amenities Usage
  • Tradition 2: Optimization Algorithms
    • +10% Machine Output
  • Tradition 3: Efficient Power Systems
    • +1 Trait pick for Machines
  • Tradition 4: Prefabricated Components
    • -50% Modify Species special project cost
  • Tradition 5: Solid-State Actuators
    • +2 Machine Modification Points
  • Finisher:
    • Machine leaders gain the Synthetic trait.
    • +1 Replicator jobs added to capital building

Some of the changes we’ve made here could be considered fairly spicy as we’ve reduced the sheer amount of robot assembly that you could gain by no longer scaling the number of roboticists by the tier of the capital building. Though, of the changes we’ve made, the ability to convert all species (including other empires’ robots) into your synths is one of my favorites.

Another change we made alongside this rework was that the Mechanists origin has lost their -5% robot upkeep modifier in exchange for +15% robot build speed, +1 robot trait pick and having the Machine Template System technology available as a research option from the start of the game.

That's it for this week! Be sure to join us Monday, October 10th on twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive at 3 PM CEST (UTC + 2) where Game Director Eladrin will be showing off the Combat Rebalance live on Stream!

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The5lacker said:
So ignoring how Overtuned would allow you to have this simulation run literally every game tick for ever pop across your entire empire, doesn't that make the likes of Venerable *actively detrimental* for gene-modding empires?
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One thing that really ought to be represented here is that lifespan influences productivity and reproductive rate. Currently these concepts are entirely distinct in Stellaris aside from some obsolete flavor text on one of the Campaign edicts (the old pop growth one). The only thing that lifespan influences is leader deaths.

This doesn't make sense, though. if you extend viable adulthood, you "automatically" get an increase in productive workers (e.g. instead of entering the workforce at age 20 and retiring at 65 for 45 years, you enter at 20 and retire at 80 for 60 years). Stellaris already models this for leaders; increasing lifespan means not needing to recruit as many leaders over the game, because they keep working longer, and if leaders were automatically generated (like pops are) rather than being something you actively recruit, longer lifespans would mean just straight up having more of them.

Similarly, if you're reproducing from 20 to 40, and then gain the ability to do so from 20 to 60, it's reasonable to expect that some people who wouldn't otherwise reproduce instead do, and people who would reproduce many times before will now do so many more times (meanwhile people who would reproduce anyhow but only a few times might do so more, and at worst are probably only going to put it off longer, rather than choose not to). All species base reproductive rate would probably be constant (including Lithoids being nerfed, despite their long lifespans, but genetically increasing lifespan should in face mean an increase to total reproduction.

Also, it straight up shouldn't be possible to overtune your species to non-viability. A species that doesn't live long enough to reach reproductive age goes extinct immediately!

Anyhow, point is, Venerable should already come with more benefits than it does, and I think it would be fine for this to in turn be balanced somewhat by species that breed younger also adapting/mutating faster.
 
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I think the final project of psionic ascension should allow player to re-trigger it or done via situation. That way at least the player can keep rolling the dice instead of it being one-off all or nothing.
 
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Are there any plans to update the GUI for adding/removing traits? Even now, it's possible to have so many 0 cost traits that some traits get pushed to a second line, that cannot be interacted with.
 
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Sutopia said:
I think the final project of psionic ascension should allow player to re-trigger it or done via situation. That way at least the player can keep rolling the dice instead of it being one-off all or nothing.
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Yea, let you reject the offer and then 20 years later roll again. That way you can reject eater of worlds or whisper in the void if you don’t want to lose random planets to the eater or rebellions
 
"The finisher for the tradition tree grants 50 edict fund and more importantly a Special Project that when completed will allow you to form a Covenant with a random Shroud Entity."

Wait, seriously?

That's a worse deal than the Abandoned Terraforming Equipment; the Whisperers and the Eater are worse than not having a covenant at all.
 
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grommile said:
the Whisperers and the Eater are worse than not having a covenant at all.
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what? How about no? The whisperer is imo the best possible covenant and the one i want to have!

It always depends on that you want to do! All covenants are worth it depending on your empire and goals.
 
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A2ch0n said:
It always depends on that you want to do! All covenants are worth it depending on your empire and goals.
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Great! You just drew the covenant you hate, that is totally incompatible with your goals.
 
grommile said:
Great! You just drew the covenant you hate, that is totally incompatible with your goals.
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And that is why i asked for an option to choose a covenant. From my point of view is the eater is not really valuable and i would not choose it but for an militarist player it's probably quite good. So i agree that rng isn't a good solution technically. But on the flavor side the dev team have a point.

The problem i had with your post just was that you said that having one of those two is less useful than having none and that is neither true nor objective.
 
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One thing I don't like about the new telepaths is that they only provide benefits to psionic species. In other words, you've got to give psionics to everyone, which makes my xenophobic, authoritarian tentacles twitch.

I would rather keep the telepaths' bonuses for everyone, to allow a playstyle like the Ethereals from X-Com, where the dominant species employ mind control over their subjects.
 
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Ramidel said:
I would rather keep the telepaths' bonuses for everyone, to allow a playstyle like the Ethereals from X-Com, where the dominant species employ mind control over their subjects.
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What i would like is an option to set a species automated back to their living standard after the assimilation is done. Actually it switches to full citizenship. That's fine until you have a empire with slaves. Than, like you said you have to think twice ;)
 
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A2ch0n said:
what? How about no? The whisperer is imo the best possible covenant and the one i want to have!

It always depends on that you want to do! All covenants are worth it depending on your empire and goals.
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Whisperer creates -100 stability on a planet 10% of the time which basically guarantees a rebellion that will take a large chunk of your empire with it
 
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Whisperer creates -100 stability on a planet 10% of the time which basically guarantees a rebellion that will take a large chunk of your empire with it
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I had this event once in two playthroughs. And yes it triggered a rebellion that wasn't successfull. The new situation mechanic is quite good to stop a rebellion if you invest enough resources. And if you don't use slaves it is a annoyance but not a risk i guess. I would still choose the whisper because of the influence and codebreaking bonus.

Yes the codebreaking is actually for flavor but i still hope to get finally some infos about the espionage rework (looking at you custodian team ;)). It's about time!
 
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I see a lot of -50% modify species project cost modifiers. Honestly the cost itself wasn't ever a problem to me, it's the flat part of it, that would be nice to reduce. The reason why I generally dislike having robots or using genetic ascension, is that while the cost of modifying species large in number is manageable, modifying species with not many pops is pointless. The cost depends on amount of pops modified * difference in traits + flat amount, and that flat amount can sometimes make the largest part of project cost for small changes. It would be really nice and make perhaps more sense, if the ascensions would mainly reduce that part (by like 75%), instead of the overall cost.
 
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A2ch0n said:
I had this event once in two playthroughs. And yes it triggered a rebellion that wasn't successfull. The new situation mechanic is quite good to stop a rebellion if you invest enough resources. And if you don't use slaves it is a annoyance but not a risk i guess. I would still choose the whisper because of the influence and codebreaking bonus.
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yea last time i played with it was in early 3.4 so it was like, you couldn't DOW the rebels until the truce was over
 
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Echo Candor One said:
Definitely seen gene-modded pops from AI empires. May I ask where you are getting this information, or what I am seeing if this is the case?
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They definitely create new templates, I think @Silesian Burd is saying that they never run the genemod projects on their old pops. I don't know if that's true but I wouldn't be surprised. It's honestly rarely worth the research so if the developers decided it's not worth the effort to code AI logic for it I wouldn't blame them.
 
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Whisperer creates -100 stability on a planet 10% of the time which basically guarantees a rebellion that will take a large chunk of your empire with it
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The new rebellion situation plus martial law makes soldiers produce a whopping 8 stability each. Just throw down a Fortress or two, and you'll keep the planet (6*8=48, enough to get you above 25 unless you had below 77 before).
 
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Echo Candor One said:
Definitely seen gene-modded pops from AI empires. May I ask where you are getting this information, or what I am seeing if this is the case?
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Critical Ethics said:
They definitely create new templates, I think @Silesian Burd is saying that they never run the genemod projects on their old pops. I don't know if that's true but I wouldn't be surprised. It's honestly rarely worth the research so if the developers decided it's not worth the effort to code AI logic for it I wouldn't blame them.
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Yeah... I mean, I saw it mentioned on the wiki, and I have yet to see any AI in my games do any gene-modding.
 
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the superb dev diary, thanks for the great ideas for the rework and I appreciate you interacting and fielding the follow up questions. Really looking forward to finding out more about this, but my initial thoughts are very positive.
 
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