Tinto Maps #24 - 25th of October - Japan and Korea

[Roger Corominas]

How exactly does that Snegoku Jidai work and country breaking apart?
Will it be like some disaster that ticks up slowly? Or some own form of mechanic? With some form of support and opposition tied together with the Samurais getting too much power and some other stuff I'm unable to think of currently?

You will unfortunately have to wait for future Tinto Talks when for a talk into detail on the mechanics.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Can you play as the Southern Court, or is it more of an allegiance and mechanic?

It is a tag as any of the other clans (and so is the Northern Court)

 

[Roger Corominas]

Why is the Ssangseong Prefecture ruled by the "Muju" family? As far as I know Muju has never been a Korean surname. Muju seems to be a place name in Jeolla Province. We know the rulers of the prefecture, it was the Cho family.
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The rulers of Ssangseong have not been created yet so they currently are randomly generated. But thank you for the heads up, we'll definitely add them.

 

[Roger Corominas]

How exactly will it work if the southern court wins? Restoration of imperial power?

Will the damyio still rise ik that situation ?

Can you tell us this or will it be covered in a future tinto talk?

That will have to wait for the future.

 

[Roger Corominas]

I can’t seem to find the Matsura clan on the map, they should be in the Hizen/Hirado area I believe

Matsura clan - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Matsura-to, or the Matsuura-to, was a group of petty military families that had roots in the 11th century in Hizen Province on the island of Kyushu. In the 1220s, they were known as pirate bands who sailed to Korea to "destroy people's dwellings and plunder their property."[1][2] From the 13th century onwards, they ran Hirado Domain in Hizen.[3] By 1371, the Matsura became allied with the shugo of Totomi Province, Imagawa Sadayo, along with the Shimazu and the Ouchi clans.[4] By the 1400s, the group's leadership was mainly made up of petty barons.[5] In the 1440s and 1450s, Korea attempted to make peace with the Matsura by issuing them ceremonial copper seals, given to those in maritime affairs that the Koreans had a "favored status" for.[6]Eventually, the group's leaders became samurai and daimyo.[7]

We have unfortunately not been able to put ALL clans in the game, but I'll take note of this one too and see if I can add it too.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Does this mean an imperial restoration is feasible? Or is that too counterfactual for the game to seriously entertain?

I want it to be a possible path too.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Not directly related to Japan and Korea, but would you say Project Caesar is the most flexible, scriptable, and moddable game PDS has made so far? All signs point to yes, and I'm incredibly excited by how things seem to be open to modifications (EU4 mods, for example, had to wrangle with the game to do advanced systems like MEIOU & Taxes).

The flexibility of the script is certainly astonishing, as almost anything can be done with just script.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Is Korean Shamanism/"Muism" present in the game?

Yes.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Is the Ikkô faith represented through events or situations later on in the game? As a faith and also as a movement (Ikkô-ikki)

Yes, there is content for them.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Could they supplant the Ashikaga in the event of a Southern Court victory? If he was more successful militarily and the Ashikaga fell I don't see why he couldn't re establish his clan

That could be an interesting possible option. We'll have to see if it can be implemented.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Not sure how much you can say besides a yes/no, but:



Is this only for Shinto/Eastern/Buddhist religions, or for every religion in the game?



Are daimyos/clans the only kind of extraterritorial tag that can become settled? Thinking of SoPs here.

1. For all religions, in the sense that each country decides what's happening on the religion inside the country.
2. SoPs are not extraterritorial countries, but they can also settle.

 

[Roger Corominas]

No Nihonsiki? How disappointing...

On a serious note: I'd advise you to not use the term "Ryūkyū", as that is the (mainland) Japanese version of the archipelago's name, and instead use the endonym "Rūchū", or perhaps better yet, the historical anglicization "Lewchew" instead. I also notice you're using Japanese toponyms in Ezo instead of Aynu ones, but I imagine that's just a case not having fully revised the map yet.
More than wanting to be "woke" I suggest these changes because they'd help make it clear that chunks of what we now call Japan weren't really "Japanese" in the way we might think of the word today.

It's the consequence of using Japanese sources, but we'll add dynamic localization for those places eventually.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Does each clan have a historical character, or do most famous clans have historical leaders + relatives?

Not all of them have them yet, but the plan is to put as much historical characters as possible.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Is Northern Court considered a seperate tag from the Ashikaga? The comments make it sound that way.


Agreed. More impassables=more interesting strategic gameplay. Definitely needs to be more in both countries.

Yes, the Northern Court is a separate tag too.

 

[Roger Corominas]

The samurai clans in Japan represented as Extraterritorial Countries stole my heart. Will we have the options of restoring the empire and overthrowing the shogunate?

The plan is that there is an option for that, yes.

 

[Roger Corominas]

In that case if you do that then the Dynasty tag would be the dynasty of the Emperor and not the Daimyo correct? I always found it weird in EU4 you could create the empire of Japan but it would stay as the clans last name. Is there an option to create a new “shogunate” “empire” and restore the old imperial dynasty name or decide to keep the name of the clan and make a new “dynasty”? Or for that would you have to win as the separate imperial factions?

The imperial courts already have the imperial dynasty in them.

 

[Roger Corominas]

two questions:

1: Are the Sanada Clan one of the smaller tags that doesn't have land at the start?

2: Will there be any mechanics in Shinto-Buddhism to handle the religious disunity between the different branches of Pure Land Buddhism. The Tendai Lotus School, Jodo Shu & Jodo Shinshu are the most famous but there was at least a dozen different branches that had very tense relationships with eachother at this time.

1. No, the Sanada are not present at start
2. Yes, specifically Jodo Shinshu has quite a bit of content related to the ikko-ikki

 

[Roger Corominas]

any content on the Kirishitan converts in southern Japan, evangelized by Portuguese traders and missionaries?

Yes

 

[Roger Corominas]

Correct me if I'm wrong but does it mean that players will be able to:

1. play as "Japan" (Shogun) and have various clans and two imperial courts controlled by AI inside their country to deal with
2. play as one of the imperial courts while the AI will take control of the entire state and clans
3. play as one of the clans while the AI will control state and both imperial courts?

If so, then it's really mindblowing how much has changed and how much you've prepared for us. This will be your magnum opus, guys.

Yes, it's exactly as you say.

 

[Roger Corominas]

If you decided on using macrons in romanization, you're missing one in "Nanpo" Sea (and presumably also the islands)

Thank you, it must have slipped. Fixed.