Tinto Talks #39 - 27th of November 2024

[Johan]

2. Why did you choose reduced food modifier for economic power? Seems a little particular, and I'm not quite sure of the connection.

Its for cheaper & longer military campaigns

 

[Johan]

Glad our feedback is heard,

however I must say I sincerely hope you will include proper debuffs for large nations instead of making them constantly stronger.

In EU4, once you get rolling nothing can ever stop you unless you want to stop yourself (or if youre going for an clinically insane campaign). So I hope you will ensure great powers can naturally lose power or fall apart, without having it be scripted like the Ottoman decadence.

If you in SP manage to become a GP with many hegemonies you now have a -100 to -150 opinion penalty with everyone. That is a significant way to get everyone else to attempt to stop you.

 

[Johan]

Now this. This is what the people asked for. I love it and I still cannot believe that our suggestions were implemented to such an extent that an entire mechanic was re-made from scratch. Un-hecking-believable, in this day and age.

Thank you. We do have an awesome community though.

 

[Johan]

Excellent changes all around! If I had any balancing requests it's that I'd like to see tweaks so the Ashikaga are no longer a GP in 1337, I still think this is very odd. Japan just wasn't important outside of well, Japan, at this time. So it's just a bit odd to see, IMO, Is it the clan vassals giving them GP points that causes this?

I'm not happy with them being a GP at start no.

 

[Johan]

The Holy Roman Emperor in 1337 has access to more resources than just those of Bavaria though.

before the Golden Bull its a bit more limited.

 

[Johan]

Also, maybe a third condition for a Hegemon simply should be that they are a great power.

So to be a K Hegemon, with max value k, a country A must satisfy:

i. A's k is bigger than any other k
ii. A's k is at least 50% as big as all other great powers' ks combined
iii. A is a great power

(actual % should be decided according to balance etc, 50% is an example).

Thats true.. GP is a requirement

 

[Johan]

Not possible to make it subcontinent based?

How many in each?

Which one is Austria in? Which one is Venice in?

 

[Johan]

So from my understanding for Great Powers is it correct to guess that say if Ashikaga magically disappeared, it wouldn't mean that everyone would move up a place and another country would pop up as a Great Power but rather it would keep things as is except with 4 great powers instead of 5? Given its based on distance in score from the number 1 power

if it was 6 then yes, but its a minimum of 5.

 

[Johan]

So since the Age of Discovery there will be ALWAYS up to 5 hegemons in the game? Or there will be some kind of a threshold to become THE FIRST hegemon even if you are the first in the list?

It would not be OK if England, Spain, Yuan and Ottomans would have 63, 62, 60, 59 heavy ships, respectively, and England becomes a naval hegemon. I think to become the first hegemon the 1st in the list should have more heavy ships than 2nd + 3rd combined.
Like with 135, 62, 60, 59 heavy ships. Then England becomes the naval hegemon because 135 > 62 + 60.

The same with income and army size.
Diplomatic and cultural hegemonies thresholds can be slightly modified.

Thats not really easily balanced.

 

[Johan]

Oh, just saw this.

What do you mean with "what is the local you look at"? Wouldn't it just need to check whether the nation is a Power in the region the scoped location/province/area is at? I know for every difficult question there's a simple answer that's also wrong, but I actually cannot visualize the issue here.

How are you a power in an area?

Is France a power in Genoa? Is Venice? Is Ottoomans? Is Genoa? Is Aragon? how why?

 

[Johan]

Wouldn't it be possible to define the regional restriction in such a way that, for example, Eastern Europe is the region and then include 10 provinces in each direction in the calculation itself? The same would then also apply to nearby coastal shores in Western Europe and a few provinces in North Africa as a result. And you define the great power list with the strongest country in the region and every country that has 80% of its strength then also counts as a great power in this region. And as the ages progress, you can ignore the regions and then focus on the whole planet. Also thia would mean there is a great power ranking in every one of those regions and GP actions could only be done in those areas where you are a GP. And it should be possible to be a GP in more than one region if being big enough even though only provinces in the mentioned are should contribute.

I know this could be difficult to implement, but since this game is supposed to be the studio's masterpiece, such a sophisticated system would be a perfect fit.

There is about 80 regions in the game atm. One of them as Portugal, Aragon and Castille. One of them has a single tiny OPM settled nation.

 

[Johan]

Overall, the changes are great. I have a slight issue with this part though:

So unless there are other requirements not mentioned, this means that if at the start of the age of discovery every country has a score of 100 in one area, and one has 101, they become the hegemon automatically, which would be weird since that can't be considered hegemonic in any way. I would argue even being 20% stronger than the next one isn't hegemonic either. It would be especially strange having a country be 10% stronger than you and you keeping the title of hegemon.

I think there needs to be a requirement to be X% stronger in an area than the next one at all times, otherwise you lose the hegemony. In these cases there shouldn't be any hegemons at all unless somebody passes the threshold. This threshold should be pretty significant, 50% or more depending on the balance. I think it would be a much better feel for the game if the appearance of hegemons would be more rare, but more impactful, rather than constantly having "hegemons" of middling power being present.

You always need to be 20% higher to not lose it.

 

[Johan]

Maybe have it so that your army size provides a base score, modified by stats associated with army quality?

probably a good idea to have an "army_score" and "navy_score"

 

[Johan]

So it wasn't totally clear to me - is becoming hegemon is automatic upon reaching eligibility? Or is it something the player needs to _claim_ as in EU4?

automatic

 

[Johan]

How about great powers of a region/continent? Like, Russia, Prussia, GB, Austria and France could be great powers in Europe, but some of them might not be a global great power.

Which continent is the Ottoman Empire in? Which continent is a strong Morocco in?