Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #73 - Open Beta and Update 1.2 overview

[Kensai7]

Regarding this point in specific, you need to remember that an open economy has no power to enforce absolute control over international trade done by autonomous agents, besides protectionist policies (which not only are limited but also haven't been working properly so far due to the strange trade route prices and profitability calculations, but that should be solved by 1.2). If you really want to avoid any conflict of economic interests between pops and the State (or 'der landgeist', whatever suits you), you should abstain from participating in international trade, that is, going for a closed economy, a glorious self-sufficient hermit kingdom.

There have been many instances in history, where countries indirectly got weapons from their own enemies. So I guess the single point of "correction" should be to not allow a direct trade of weapons between countries at war. But if countries A and B are at war and both trade weapons with C; the A and B could actually end up indirectly trading weapons as well.

 

[Svenska Super]

A few things to improve the game:

• Enable production of a single goods for all goods (Dynamite, wine etc.)
• Introduce a diplomatic option to lower infamy or move infamy to a "by country" attitude adjuster. If you open the "conquest door" it never closes unless you clear it with a revolution switching sides - which is super gamey and silly... and it clears your statistics graphs, which is suuuuper annoying.
• Weaponry should be unique to each country and default to non-tradeable. It should be tradeable, but not by default. I've had enemies import guns from me - again silly.
• Weaponry should have some kind of quality besides production methods. It should encourage trade for the best guns. Or poor weapons because you need quantity over quality.
• Luxury goods should also have a quality stamp. I want wine from Europe, cars from the US and porcelain from China. Or settle for some poor cars from Russia. It would add a lot more interesting trade dynamics.
• Railroads should be required to form a continuous route back to your capital or where ever it is consumed. As it is now, goods teleport all over as long as you have railroads in the region that you produce a lot. Consumption isn't at all factored in.

I have no idea what to do with combat, but I feel like a complete overhaul might be required.

Look, importing guns is incredibly typical of victorian time etc. plenty of suggestions have been given for devs to make three types of quality categories:
low / regular / good or how you want to call it
What you do can do is say if you keep building weapon manufactories say in austria and you reach a certain treshold as such it are several gun manufacturies you give the gun a name (brand) like steyr or männlinger what they had at time, hoi does this well with infantry equipment you incl. a flag.
And how wonderful if combat is revised and stockpiling exists, you fight somewhere in remote lands and can confiscate and take over weapon depots etc and see who delivered it. I actually like the feature on hoi4 and often look at opposing units what is in their inventory.

When stockpiling is never fully implemented within vic its a sign to me, they complete trade system is not to my interest anymore and has lacked an innovative approach.

 

[Burma Jones]

President Abraham Lincoln would like to have a conversation with you about the - control - over - the - military.

nonsequitir

Why is the idea of another player having the option to directly control their military so painful to you people? The game is obviously much worse for not having it. Then all the time the devs have to waste trying to make their AI not horrible just so the game is remotely playable without player control. The whole thing is so absurd and there's this really obnoxious group with people like you who for some reason have made it their life purpose to harass anyone who wants control over their own military in a strategy game. Insane.

 

[Svenska Super]

nonsequitir

Why is the idea of another player having the option to directly control their military so painful to you people? The game is obviously much worse for not having it. Then all the time the devs have to waste trying to make their AI not horrible just so the game is remotely playable without player control. The whole thing is so absurd and there's this really obnoxious group with people like you who for some reason have made it their life purpose to harass anyone who wants control over their own military in a strategy game. Insane.

When you play as a dictator and you want to control every bits and piece of a war is definitely something similar to a plan economy, you are spot on both need to be looked into.

And i repeat it again stockpiling across the board every resource, more resources, resources measured in tonnage and high valuables in pieces

 

[Star Seeker]

Why is the idea of another player having the option to directly control their military so painful to you people? The game is obviously much worse for not having it. Then all the time the devs have to waste trying to make their AI not horrible just so the game is remotely playable without player control. The whole thing is so absurd and there's this really obnoxious group with people like you who for some reason have made it their life purpose to harass anyone who wants control over their own military in a strategy game. Insane.

Like I keep mentioning, you are getting some control with "Strategic Objectives for planning military campaigns". I also think direct control is a little too much to ask at this point, the devs made it clear in the post-release DD that this system is going to stay. It's not like the only solution to the problems you have is to go back to a more tatical system, the aforementioned strategic objectives are already going to solve some problems people have. On top of that, I have doubts that what you're asking would be easily done.

 

[marxwasright]

Are pop demands going to be looked at? Maybe wanting more services so that urban centers don't go broke with advanced methods, along with not wanting to eat 1K of glass or whatever they do with it, for example.

 

[Svenska Super]

Are pop demands going to be looked at? Maybe wanting more services so that urban centers don't go broke with advanced methods, along with not wanting to eat 1K of glass or whatever they do with it, for example.

A much more sophisticated approach is needed, more resources/goods mean a split up expansion of current things is unavoidable

 

[tiomor]

This patchnote has a strong Imperator Vibe.
It looks like it will be patched to a usable state (today is a game for one run, Victoria has 0 replayability, all coutries are the same) and the game will be abandoned.

Mark my words.

 

[grommile]

This patchnote has a strong Imperator Vibe.
It looks like it will be patched to a usable state (today is a game for one run, Victoria has 0 replayability, all coutries are the same) and the game will be abandoned.

They literally can't do that.

They've sold two gameplay DLCs in advance (and don't have any reasonable method for refunding everyone).

 

[Sighfer]

Are pop demands going to be looked at? Maybe wanting more services so that urban centers don't go broke with advanced methods, along with not wanting to eat 1K of glass or whatever they do with it, for example.

You could nerf the Urbanization points buildings give you, adding them back in as you upgrade production methods, slowing down the overproduction of services. Also, population growth needs to be buffed way up, as rural population has much bigger families, while urban population has smaller ones, and until modern sewage system is invented, are where pops go to die from disease. Cities did not grow from their own population until 1914, it's all from immigration.

 

[Oglesby]

Are pop demands going to be looked at? Maybe wanting more services so that urban centers don't go broke with advanced methods, along with not wanting to eat 1K of glass or whatever they do with it, for example.

You know that you do no _have_ to run the most advanced method that you have unlocked, right?

 

[marxwasright]

You know that you do no _have_ to run the most advanced method that you have unlocked, right?

Right. I rarely ever upgrade automation, steam donkey, rail transport etc because it seems better to keep more people employed.. unless you're Belgium or something and really microing pops. In the case of urban centers though, it's too easy to overproduce services just from using the 2nd levels (covered markets and gas lights). I put electric lights in my capital just as something to use electricity, and the overproduction of services is over 1000 now. I would like to use more electric lights to gain some of that coal back, but it would kill the urban centers.

 

[Oglesby]

Right. I rarely ever upgrade automation, steam donkey, rail transport etc because it seems better to keep more people employed.. unless you're Belgium or something and really microing pops. In the case of urban centers though, it's too easy to overproduce services just from using the 2nd levels (covered markets and gas lights). I put electric lights in my capital just as something to use electricity, and the overproduction of services is over 1000 now. I would like to use more electric lights to gain some of that coal back, but it would kill the urban centers.

go back to market stalls or unlit streets if you feel they are over produced. or set some to electric lights while setting others to unlit. You can always go back to an older PM

 

[veryalien]

This patchnote has a strong Imperator Vibe.
It looks like it will be patched to a usable state (today is a game for one run, Victoria has 0 replayability, all coutries are the same) and the game will be abandoned.

Mark my words.

It's not so bad.

I think the beta releases are being done because they seem to fix two things and add four more problems. They want to get somewhere stable in a specific area before pushing out more updates on the main branch.

But yeah -- I think my days of buying paradox games at launch may be over. This could have gone way better if they delayed.

 

[Brinf]

Somebody please justify why autocracy should automatically buffer aristocrats and abolish parties, so that a Communist Party ruling a command economy has to abolish itself now that it has to be autocratic first. Makes zero sense, but mobile gamers want to downvote a pretty good proposal fixing this.

 

[agaabrieel]

Are pop demands going to be looked at? Maybe wanting more services so that urban centers don't go broke with advanced methods, along with not wanting to eat 1K of glass or whatever they do with it, for example.

What do you mean? You DON'T eat 1 metric ton of glass per day?!

 

[adil3tr]

Can regime change be fixed? Right now it has no purpose, it needs to change the governing laws and economic law of the country in question, right now it just places a interest group in power, although if they're marginalized then it just has no government. The whole appeal of it is is that if you're a republic, council republic, or communist state then you can change other countries to be the same, but it doesn't do that at all. It would also make sense to let players change the government of their puppets. This is all hard coded right now so modders can't fix it.

 

[Contested_Betrice]

Improvements and bug fixes

• Performance optimization

Will my macbook m1 finally be able to afford the game again? Haven't been able to progress every 40 minutes of memory insufficiency after the 1.1 patch, the current state of optimisation is really atrocious on macOS...

 

[GrafKeks]

IS there an ETA for the time of release for the beta?

 

[Notme1]

Somebody please justify why autocracy should automatically buffer aristocrats and abolish parties, so that a Communist Party ruling a command economy has to abolish itself now that it has to be autocratic first. Makes zero sense, but mobile gamers want to downvote a pretty good proposal fixing this.

Its simplicity - now it uses static modifiers like all other law related modifiers.

If you made it dynamic, like Autocracy/Oligarchy empowers pops, that support rulers/in goverment IGs, then it would be much more complex compared to everything else in law modifiers.
If this was inline with other laws, then you would need Single Party as new law.