I'm willing to test your theory. Not that I really buy into it, but we'll assume that tonka and myself are Spies. I'll let everyone see precisely where that assumption leads in the next vote or mission or so.
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.. but it makes sense to reject teams as resistance, too. As falc pointed out.
Let's try some other ways to analyse this:
- Spies wil try to give other spies cards. Especially stuff like strong leader and opinion influencer.
- Spies will try to avoid putting spymates on teams. However, that is a bit iffy since they don't actually know who is and is not on their team, and recent games make that relation even more dodgy.
- One spy should have TNT's name, if I understand the setup right. That spy would vote to approve the TNT/glio/randakar team from mission one: That'd be either Tamius, or cliges.
Cards:
- Tonkatoy handed NC to Cliges
- Tonka handed Spotlight to me.
- Tamius handed SL to JPR
- Tamius gave upward opener to TNT.
The latter bit is actually interesting. It would have been best if that upward opener was used to clear somebody (eg., me) but instead it goes to TNT. Why? For a spy that move made sense. For resistance, it was a toss-up.
Conclusions:
If tamius is a spy, JPR is a spy, too.
If tonka is a spy, cliges is possible also one. (This correlation is fairly weak, imho. That card isn't terribly strong.)
Teams:
- TNT proposed tonka, glio, me. (That actually speaks for glio..)
- Tonka proposed Cliges, and me for a team. (Direct contradiction with the correlation above - that was team 1, though.)
- Cliges proposed Aedan
- Aedan proposed tonka
- Tamius proposed JPR. (Again, a contradiction! Interesting.) (( I'm leaving glio and me off that right now, since we have become pretty much the default for team proposals right now.)
Conclusions: Interesting circle up there. Tonka -> Cliges -> Aedan -> Tonka.
Unfortunately it doesn't help much: If many of the proposals were converging on the same set of likely non-spies we could chance that, but as-is now we have very little to go on other than that there are quite probably one or more resistance members in that set ;-)
Based on gut feeling more than anything else I still think cliges isn't a spy. Ditto for tamius. But I can't say that case is very solid ..
I proposed the team of me, cliges, and randy though meaning I proposed a double spy team? Which I have done before but only after giving a hint that I was gonna sabotage through the preload action thing, which I didn't do here so how would I have guaranteed not getting two sabotages randy? Also Cliges why the hell did you just take that like that? it looks to me like your the spy cliges and your trying to take me down with you to increase the chance of getting a spy on the last team.
Either way I like this team and the only problem I see could be Aedan and honestly I'm willing to bet on him.
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Either way I like this team and the only problem I see could be Aedan and honestly I'm willing to bet on him.
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randakar, I am not sure what to think about your theory. You did lobby earlier to not allow jpr to make a final proposal so this has to be the one that you want to get approved. Excluding glio, yourself and me there are 5 players left. If you think that Cliges and tamius are not spies, 2 of the remaining 3 have to be according to your theory that I am one as well. That means that this team proposal WILL get sabotaged from your POV. A fact that your analysis/smokescreen does not touch on at all. Or do you want to wait to make this argument once a "sabotaged" result is returned to explain why this was a honest oversight and we should continue to trust you and glio?
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Cliges and Tamius are suspicious I think. There may be some weird stuff about Tonka, but he doesn't seem spyish this game. This was the exact team I proposed and I still think it's the best. May JPR would be good too, but the most suspicious people are off this team, so I'd say it's good.
Cliges and Tamius are suspicious I think. There may be some weird stuff about Tonka, but he doesn't seem spyish this game. This was the exact team I proposed and I still think it's the best. May JPR would be good too, but the most suspicious people are off this team, so I'd say it's good.
What? I gave 6 names. I basically said I'm happy with anyone except Cliges and TNT. It's almost as if you were trying to misread what I wrote.
If you reread my post you'll see that I note that your team composition directly contradicted with you giving cliges a card. And that association wasn't very strong to begin with.
I don't like betting. I tend to lose bets ;-)
Well, I change my mind a lot sometimes. Especially when I'm resistance ;-)
And I felt Glio is the most likely resistance out of the current set of leaders so his proposal is more likely to succeed than others. Doesn't mean I completely agree with the proposal right off the bat ;-)
.. which is why I am going over everything with a fine comb to see if I missed something. I don't think I did, but feel free to point out mistakes.
(That would amuse me, at the very least ;-) )
Yeah, well. That's the contradiction here.
Maybe you're right about tonka though. Cliges has done quite a lot to make himself look bad. As usual.
Misremembered, more likely.
Thing is, you're coming up with a pretty vague set of names there. Somehow I feel you could be doing better than this.
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Let's see. Current voters:
Glio: Approved his own proposal, probably.
How did you vote, TNT? Really, I am curious.
Scratch that 'voted' remark. I'm not voting until TNT answers that question. Or tries to dance around it, at the very least.
Glio: Approved his own proposal, probably.
How did you vote, TNT? Really, I am curious.
Scratch that 'voted' remark. I'm not voting until TNT answers that question. Or tries to dance around it, at the very least.
I accepted - for purely tactical reasons. If this proposal passes, jpr gets the next set of plot cards. If it fails, you'll get them. I'd rather take my chance with an unknown than a known (to me) spy.
You're failing to mention that JPR will get the next set of plot cards regardless due to that SL card that was played on him by Tamius.
Tsk.
Anyway, I've heard enough: If he accepts, this team is suspect.
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Should this be rejected, we have to accept whatever jpr proposes.
gliomarto is more or less cleared, and we have nearly nothing to clear or incriminate jpr.
I get the feeling that we won't do much better than this, though irritatingly I'm not on this team and I don't want to be shouting that I'm resistance and I'm not on the team for the rest of the game.
I'm growing suspicious of aedan mainly because he suspects me and his suspicions are unfounded.
Sadly, all this strange monologue is moot because Randy has rejected the team.
Voting.
gliomarto is more or less cleared, and we have nearly nothing to clear or incriminate jpr.
I get the feeling that we won't do much better than this, though irritatingly I'm not on this team and I don't want to be shouting that I'm resistance and I'm not on the team for the rest of the game.
I'm growing suspicious of aedan mainly because he suspects me and his suspicions are unfounded.
Sadly, all this strange monologue is moot because Randy has rejected the team.
Voting.
The GM is off to bed now and strongly doubts he'll be able to make an update at work tomorrow, so feel free to continue discussing things.
Actually, scratch that, I have 8 votes and for once, I'm not giving you a grace period to change your minds.
Votes tallied:
APPROVE: gliomarto, tonkatoy5, Trinitrotoluen, aedan777
REJECT: Cliges, jpr123, randakar, tamius23
Proposal is rejected 4 votes to 4.
Agent 007 jpr123 gets to make the next (and final) Proposal for this Mission.
Votes tallied:
APPROVE: gliomarto, tonkatoy5, Trinitrotoluen, aedan777
REJECT: Cliges, jpr123, randakar, tamius23
Proposal is rejected 4 votes to 4.
Agent 007 jpr123 gets to make the next (and final) Proposal for this Mission.
Who do people prefer out of Tonka and Aedan? Because I'm not sure which of the two to give the last slot to.
Rest of the team will be:
Myself
Randy
Glio
As I always said it would be. TNT seems a spy, Cliges is very dodgy, Tamius approved the failed team despite not being on it. That just leaves Aedan and Tonka.
Rest of the team will be:
Myself
Randy
Glio
As I always said it would be. TNT seems a spy, Cliges is very dodgy, Tamius approved the failed team despite not being on it. That just leaves Aedan and Tonka.
Obviously I'd support myself, but either way I think this team will work, since my guess for the spys is probably TNT, Cliges, and Tamius.