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Where does it say that? I wrote that definition of Liar and I'm pretty sure I didn't intend it to say that.

Heh, you're right, it's just those trait groups that are listed. My reading skills are really deteriorating. Whoops. :blush:
 
There came one weird moment when johho publicly didn't know his own rules, and marty asked yet again if we were hunting and had me explain what a back-up hunt was..
I got confused because EURO told cultist pack affiliation in the update when a cultist died and I never do when I have these cultist rules - so I figured he had attached cultists in his rules (even when I knew he had copied my rules and marked out the difference - yeah, not my proudest WW moment, this game...).
 
Huh, I won.

Cool I guess.

Winning by not losing is a winning of a kind.
 
Disappointed I didn't win, but damn this was a fun game. Thanks for hosting and congratulations on an excellent game EURO. :)

Seconded. This was a really nice game. Even though my weekend away spoiled it a bit for me. Can't really blame anyone else for that, though.
Oh, and btw, Johho, that distiller claim you say I made? Wasn't a distiller claim. I was in contact with the seer, if he scanned a wolf I figured I'd hear about it anyway ;-)


Well, he also thought I was a wolf days before I actually became one, so I wouldn't put too much stock keep in his gut :p

Time to break out that graph again:

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Unfortunately, I might not get away with openly getting the Priest lynched in a Big again. I hunted Skobie the Seer and got the first Priest tamius lynched in one night/day cycle. :D

I was really disappointed that nobody used the "militant faction" password I gave Xarkan to try and contact us, though. I mean, nobody even tried? Damn.

Heh, facepalm * 2 for me. Yeah, since your pack had two members in the guild I don't think the GA protection for me would have passed the vote... :p

No, you don't say..

Speaking of which, Randy's contacting Skobie saying he had sorc-scanned him as the seer, then claiming distiller powers in the thread, then distilling Skobie that night...in hindsight that was a bizarre move. :D Lucky Skobie didn't notice it because that would've been a pretty obvious sign of evil.

But .. I didn't actually do that. That entire distiller thing? Yeah, I considered it for about 2 seconds, but then discarded it. The "distiller claim" wasn't even -intended- to be a distiller claim. It was just me roleplaying a bit.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Oh really? I could've sworn he said he had. If you're right, then that was a bizarre coincidence. Randy did claim distiller powers, or if not, he posted in the thread something which would be the textbook way of doing it - he was offering people a bottle of 80% grain alcohol or something.

Yep. It was pretty bizarre. And it never actually occurred to me it could be interpreted that way. :rofl:

RP. And like linked above, Liar can't distill.

Uhm, why not? He can claim any trait, not just the ones that are listed as "counting as" powers.

Interesting about Randy. Why all the RP about distilling then?

I didn't even consider it possible that someone might view it that way. Honestly.

Where does it say that? I wrote that definition of Liar and I'm pretty sure I didn't intend it to say that.

It doesn't.
 
That is a weird coincidence. Because I honestly viewed - through my insider lens - every RP post you made as setting up to sneak in a claim somewhere. You also seemed to use the exact same format for that claim as you did for every other one. It seemed...I mean I still can't believe that was coincidental. :rofl: :rofl:


We'll find out soon enough I'm sure, but anyone know what Dexander's scans were? What he was doing? A bit disappointed when he was one of the people lynched in my Cloaktie, but we weren't even aware of another Sorc existing at any point.
 
BTW marty, what *would* have happened if I had logged on in time and snipe-claimed cloak of invisibility? Quite a bit of havoc, I gather?
 
BTW marty, what *would* have happened if I had logged on in time and snipe-claimed cloak of invisibility? Quite a bit of havoc, I gather?
I had a plan that you would unvote to Esemesas, I would have unvoted to you (I could have unvoted MC and made the tie even bigger, but it would be a bit too obvious on me) .

This would mean, apart from the votes on you, there was a five-way tie of people with 1 vote. Including the Priest, Ese, our club member Dadarian, and maybe one other point of interest. Let me check. If you had played the cloak, they all would have died. Also, some hunter bullets may have shot thin air.

You would also have claimed brutal the next day, I was hoping.

EDIT:

happycats517: 2
brovahkiin [1131]
randakar [1153]

Dexander: 2
johho888 [1156]
marty99 [1161 happycats517 -> 1186]

Wagonlitz: 1
Dadarian [1115]

Dadarian: 1
enkhuush [1183 Lemeard -> 1190]

If I had switched to you and you to Ese, we would have lynched the Priest, a club member, and two werewolves from other packs. And the Sorcerer.



I should probably say that I also wasn't online in time either, because I was held up. But I had been planning some havoc with our cloaks for a few days prior to this. Not sure if anyone realised the sheer destructive power it could have.
 
That is a weird coincidence. Because I honestly viewed - through my insider lens - every RP post you made as setting up to sneak in a claim somewhere. You also seemed to use the exact same format for that claim as you did for every other one. It seemed...I mean' I still can't believe that was coincidental. :rofl: :rofl:

Most of it was just me trying to create a proper cover where I could basically pull any kind of rabbit out of my hat and still look clean where claims are concerned. It was really a lot of fun.

Also, for the record: I did *not* expect to survive this game. In a pickpoint game the odds of too many dead villagers showing up with 9 or 9+ points are just too high, and keeping that trait a secret for long if you're actively using it are very very low. Even if I did manage to kill the priest the reveal of said dead priest would give the village too big a clue towards where my real allegiance lied.
My plan was to show off the PL trait, make clear how that thing can be a really big boon to whatever side picks it, and also show how it actually improves the game experience a lot if it's played properly.

So as far as I'm concerned this game is a success.
 
You would also have claimed brutal the next day, I was hoping.

Brutal one-eye-open van helsing, actually. With a standing order to claim either brutal or van helsing depending on whether the village decided to lynch me or not.
Have fun trying to shoot me, suckers. I will take someone with me no matter what you do if you try.

That would have bought me another day, I reckon, since the only sensible thing for the village to do in that situation is to *not* lynch me, but lynch somebody else and come back the day after (after the one eye open expired).

I really get why not many baddies choose that trait. It's an extremely high risk trait to have. But damn it has a lot of power.
 
Brutal one-eye-open van helsing, actually. With a standing order to claim either brutal or van helsing depending on whether the village decided to lynch me or not.
Have fun trying to shoot me, suckers. I will take someone with me no matter what you do if you try.

That would have bought me another day, I reckon, since the only sensible thing for the village to do in that situation is to *not* lynch me, but lynch somebody else and come back the day after (after the one eye open expired).

I really get why not many baddies choose that trait. It's an extremely high risk trait to have. But damn it has a lot of power.
You can only claim one a day though, or so the rules imply.


The reason why not many baddies chose it is because not many had the pickpoints. In fact almost every baddie that had the pickpoints to do so DID choose it. :p
 
You can only claim one a day though, or so the rules imply.
He would obviously just state all three clear for everyone to see, and then tell Euro of the one which would make sense. i.e. not lynched - claim OEO, lynched - brutal.
 
He would obviously just state all three clear for everyone to see, and then tell Euro of the one which would make sense. i.e. not lynched - claim OEO, lynched - brutal.
Oh I know that, but the way Randy was saying it, he actually would have had all three. There was no way to be certain of taking someone with him. Only bluffs and double-bluffs.
 
But I had been planning some havoc with our cloaks for a few days prior to this. Not sure if anyone realised the sheer destructive power it could have.
I don't think it has caused that much havoc when I've had it in games earlier. Mostly it was just used to save someone from lynch, much like a leader that can save himself one day.

Cloaking a whole guild I figured would give some unexpected effects since their votes were taken out of the equation as well. I never really thought it through when I gave a guild a cloak last game.

Most of it was just me trying to create a proper cover where I could basically pull any kind of rabbit out of my hat and still look clean where claims are concerned. It was really a lot of fun.

Also, for the record: I did *not* expect to survive this game. In a pickpoint game the odds of too many dead villagers showing up with 9 or 9+ points are just too high, and keeping that trait a secret for long if you're actively using it are very very low. Even if I did manage to kill the priest the reveal of said dead priest would give the village too big a clue towards where my real allegiance lied.
My plan was to show off the PL trait, make clear how that thing can be a really big boon to whatever side picks it, and also show how it actually improves the game experience a lot if it's played properly.

So as far as I'm concerned this game is a success.
And a good job you did with it too. :)

IIRC I put Liar as somewhat cheaper pickpoint wise for baddies than for goodies since it should be much harder for a baddie to get away with lying. Did EURO do that too?

Brutal one-eye-open van helsing, actually. With a standing order to claim either brutal or van helsing depending on whether the village decided to lynch me or not.
Have fun trying to shoot me, suckers. I will take someone with me no matter what you do if you try.

That would have bought me another day, I reckon, since the only sensible thing for the village to do in that situation is to *not* lynch me, but lynch somebody else and come back the day after (after the one eye open expired).

I really get why not many baddies choose that trait. It's an extremely high risk trait to have. But damn it has a lot of power.
OEO doesn't protect you against hunters/assassins though.
 
You can only claim one a day though, or so the rules imply.

Put up one post, make my exact claim conditional, the way you can send in conditional orders. So if I was lynched I would just claim brutal, if I wasn't I would just claim Van Helsing.
It should work. Really.
And if the GM would have said I can't do that, I would still claim it just to make the village believe it. :D

The reason why not many baddies chose it is because not many had the pickpoints. In fact almost every baddie that had the pickpoints to do so DID choose it. :p

I was really surprised to see Aedan choose that. I expected to see absolutely nobody else on team evil choosing it, just because using this is such a fickle thing and so liable to get you lynched for it.

Oh I know that, but the way Randy was saying it, he actually would have had all three. There was no way to be certain of taking someone with him. Only bluffs and double-bluffs.

Not really. I would just have had whatever was the most useful at deadline. ;-)
 
IIRC I put Liar as somewhat cheaper pickpoint wise for baddies than for goodies since it should be much harder for a baddie to get away with lying. Did EURO do that too?

I think it was basically the same table for packs as in your game. It was 6 points, same as assassin. Which is a bit weird when you think about it, since this does so much more ..

OEO doesn't protect you against hunters/assassins though.

It doesn't? I'm pretty sure I've seen it go off that way, though.
Maybe this is just like brutal chains - completely GM dependant.
 
I was really surprised to see Aedan choose that. I expected to see absolutely nobody else on team evil choosing it, just because using this is such a fickle thing and so liable to get you lynched for it.
I would definitely have chosen it if I had the points.

I only chose wolf because I had a feeling no-one else would bother. Ended up being the right call. What if none of us chose wolf?
 
I don't get why baddies don't choose wolf more often. The fact that priest is cheaper than seer, and that sorc/priest powers are cheaper than seerish, makes it much more likely that there are fewer goodies who can scan you if you decide to spend the points on wolf.

Also, Path Liar is awesome. I want to have another game where every villager claims something to protect the real PL.
 
I don't get why baddies don't choose wolf more often. The fact that priest is cheaper than seer, and that sorc/priest powers are cheaper than seerish, makes it much more likely that there are fewer goodies who can scan you if you decide to spend the points on wolf.
Because as a cultist you have better prospects of victory. You can switch sides, you get better traits and in lynchings wolves are a priority.