EU4: El Dorado - Development Diary 1: Nahuatl, Exploration & Treaty of Tordesillas | Page 15

josh127 · Jan 22, 2015

penco said:
That's why this mechanic is so silly. Because if IRL the Aztecs didn't do enough blood sacrifice, maybe some peasants would be pissed at the ruler and think he's bad, but otherwise nothing would happen! It's not like the Nahuatl gods are real.

They might as well introduce an event for Christian nations where Jesus swoops in and establishes the Millennial Kingdom. That's about how historical this thing is.

So no good on the Ghostbusters reference then?

It's a lot more interesting to consider whether the costs are worth the benefits. 10% morale, -2 unrest aren't bad baselines. Wiz said that you keep the reforms when you westernize, this is unlike native councils and provides the faith a substantial advantage. The symbols also lead me to believe that in the beta you have reforms impacting discipline, war exhaustion, and the stated colonist as well. Depending on what you can see, the combination of the post-reform benefits and the tech boost on reform might make Aztec more viable than previously, depending on how it's balanced.

I'm not sold that it would be Paradox's plan to let you keep all those reforms the entire game with no further strings attached. If that's the case, I'll rethink my position, but I just can't picture that.

DC123456789 · Jan 22, 2015

Has Mesoamerica been shown on the stream? If not, I suspect that they might end up adding more provinces and states to make the Doom mechanic more viable; this also looks likely since the first picture seems to have suspiciously scrolled away from Mesoamerica.

moscal · Jan 22, 2015

" - AI does not get naval attrition. It does avoid going too far out of range with most of its naval operations though, to somewhat simulate it."

From - http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?713856-AI-Cheats-Facts-and-misunderstandings

Thus, the AI will lose this cheat in the mission "travel around world"? Or modernized AI that does not need this cheat?

Golladan · Jan 22, 2015

DC123456789 said:
Has Mesoamerica been shown on the stream?

Mesoamerica has been show in the stream.

ehecatzin · Jan 22, 2015

Golladan said:
Mesoamerica has been show in the stream.

didnt they just show the Zapotec and Mayan area? there's plenty of nations they could add to central and western Mexico.

Mauer · Jan 22, 2015

Cèsar de Quart said:
Still, I think that most American cultures or religions should have a "no annexation" attached. Only confederations, alliances or vassalizations. I don't think direct conquest without vassal kings had ever been done in America before the Europeans arrived. The Cahokia hegemony system in the Mississipi valley relied on a network of subsidiary chiefdoms and the Triple Alliance had its myriad of vassal tributary kings. I don't know about the Inca empire, but it would surprise me if they didn't have a more or less decentralised rule base.

As long as they get unlimited vassals or at least a couple more diplomatic relation slots it would be a great idea, as well as switching to regular vassal mechanics after reformation of course.

DominusNovus · Jan 22, 2015

Another thing: Given that Castille and Portugal already have ideas, missions, and events that boost both their influence on the Papacy and their colonization efforts, will those two tags be modified to take into account the Papal Grant mechanic? For Castille, at least, Inter Caetera should be removed or nerfed (and renamed, most likely).

Keioel · Jan 22, 2015

The Inca were a centralized Monarchy, with a class based bureaucratic system.

Cèsar de Quart said:
I don't know about the Inca empire, but it would surprise me if they didn't have a more or less decentralised rule base.

Finnway · Jan 23, 2015

I really like the new "Papal grant" mechanic. It adds some more politics to colonizing the new world instead of simply being a rush for land.

Jokolytic · Jan 23, 2015

Mikalos said:
"Arbitrary religious beleif" you mean the core feature of the aztec religion? youre right, why have a pope for catholicism, its just an arbitrary part of the religion

Don't get so butthurt, the few people on Earth who still have remnants of that faith probably aren't playing this game.

I wonder, is there any Catholic-Mesoamerican pagan syncretism today? Besides that La Muerte saint in Mexico.

ehecatzin · Jan 23, 2015

Jokolytic said:
I wonder, is there any Catholic-Mesoamerican pagan syncretism today? Besides that La Muerte saint in Mexico.

The "La Muerte Saint", known as La Santa Muerte is actually syncretism from Santeria roots that got really popular amongst cartels and its narco culture. As for syncretism between catholicism and mesoamerican religion, there's a substantial amount, from the Guadalupe virgin, to dances, food, language, etc. pretty much every latin american culture is the result of that syncretism. As for more direct mixing of beliefs, many modern Mayans practice a Catholicism that uses ancient Mayan rites, like ancestor worship and peregrination to underground caves. There are also indigenous groups that mantain a strong component of their religion but with catholic influences here and there, like the Wixarikas (Huichol).

Wildcat_PL · Jan 23, 2015

Any word about that button? We already have privateer mission so what that might be? Pirate hunters perhaps?

Saintlukas · Jan 23, 2015

Cèsar de Quart said:
Many Good suggestions

most of these can be represented through Events that only that religion triggers, much like the Muslim Piety events and the orthodox events dealing with Patriarchy authority

Xinkc · Jan 23, 2015

Sounds like El Dorado will warrant me attempting a MesoAmerican playthrough.

Meeg · Jan 23, 2015

Mikalos said:
you mean how brazil is far to the west of the line, how theres these big non spanish post colonial states in north america and south of the border at various times too?

litterally nobody but spain cared about the treaty

I remember being taught in school that the Pope slipped up and moved the line in the Americas for Portugal further West than was intended. Maybe that was just what the Portuguese said?

Granite · Jan 23, 2015

I just hope that to balance this out, Aztecs start out with at least one or two vassals, or else, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!(God that's fun)

LordLoko · Jan 23, 2015

With the new naval exploration, you can still send manual commands, right?

TheDarkMaster · Jan 23, 2015

Is there a limit on how many CN zones that you can get Catholic control of? Will a catholic nation that has the statute in restraint of appeals ignore the treaty bonuses and negatives?

Freudia · Jan 23, 2015

josh127 said:
I'm not sold that it would be Paradox's plan to let you keep all those reforms the entire game with no further strings attached. If that's the case, I'll rethink my position, but I just can't picture that.

I assume the drawback is you lose them all if you flip to another religion, including a Christian denomination, and staying as Nahuatl will make getting any alliances with the Old World pre-1650 a chore, if not a nightmare.

Also not being able to luck into PU magic too.

ehecatzin · Jan 23, 2015

Granite said:
I just hope that to balance this out, Aztecs start out with at least one or two vassals, or else, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!(God that's fun)

Well by the start of the game Moctezuma I just got the throne and the Triple Alliance was limited to the Anahuac valley, we wouldnt start with any vassals, but thats part of the fun, the Aztecs were the new kids on the block anyway, much more fun to go on a conquering spree.

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