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Tinto Flavour #21 - 26th of May 2025

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Mondays (some), Tuesdays & Fridays in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will take a look at the two most powerful Merchant Republics of Europe, Venice and Genoa!


Let’s start taking a look at Venice:

The Most Serene Republic of Venice is the most important and powerful of the merchant republics in the Mediterranean Sea. It controls important trade ports and islands in the Eastern Mediterranean, which form the Stado do Mar, and many inland territories in the North of Italy, which form the Domini di Terraferma.

Nonetheless, the lagoon city cannot lower its guard, as new threats arise around it. In the East, the once great Byzantine Empire will not easily forget the Fourth Crusade and the Venetian involvement in it. In the West, the Superb Republic of Genoa and the Crown of Aragon are continuing to expand their influence, conquering more territory and dominating trade routes. And at last, the Signoria of Verona have grown to be a noticeable threat to the Domini di Terraferma.

What will the future hold for the Most Serene Republic? Will it fall under the pressure of its enemies, or will it rise to the top and become the indisputable ruler of the Mare Nostrum?
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The 3 subjects of Venice are Candia, Ragusa, and Trieste. As usual, take any UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

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As you may have seen in one of my forum posts or Reddit, Venice is now an island! Here you also have the full extension of its Stado de Mar, with all its subjects (which, at the highest zoom levels, have their name replaced by that of the overlord, as it happens here with Candia).​

Venice is a very unique Republic, which starts with some unique reforms and privileges at the start of the game:
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Venice Privilege Zonta.png

Venice Privilege Avogadoria do Comun.png

Venice Privilege Libro dOro.png

Venice Privilege Libro d'Argento.png

It also hosts some works of art, some of them sacked from Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade:
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Here is a selection of the advances available for Venice:
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Venice Advance Thalassocracy.png

Venice Advance Stato do Mar.png

Venice Advance Venetian Palaces.png

Venice Building Venetian Palaces.png

Venice Advance Magistrato alla Sanita.png

Venice Advance Heavy Naval Tactics.png

And a few of its flavour events:
Venice Event Piazza San Marco.png

Venice Building Piazza San Marco.png


Event Promissione Ducale.png

Venice Reform Promissione Ducale.png


Venice Event Tizziano.png


Let’s now take a look at Genoa:

The city of Genoa stands out as the most important commercial port in the Western Mediterranean, its Republic having expanded its influence overseas through trade and war.

After defeating the Republic of Pisa, it gained the island of Corsica and established a foothold in Sardinia. However, this might have been a poisonous gift, as it may now face not only the opposition of its inhabitants, but also that of King Pere IV the Ceremonious de Barcelona, self-proclaimed sovereign of both islands.

Another challenge may arise from the east, as a network of possessions has created the conditions for a commercial dominance over the Black Sea, centered around the port of Kaffa; although dangerous neighbors such as Venice, Byzantium, or the Golden Horde might be a threat.

Relying on our numerous Fondaco and wealthy bankers, will Genoa overcome these challenges?
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The Genoese ‘mainlad’, plus its Mediterranean possessions.​

Genoa also starts with a couple of unique reforms:
Genoa Refomr Diarchy Republic.png

Genoa Reform compagna Comunis.png

Since we’re not able to have two or more rulers for a country in the game, we’re portraying the Genoese Diarchy by having Galeotto Spinola and Raffaello Doria present as characters at start, and the bonuses you see in the reform.​

Genoa also starts with some Works of Art:
Genoa Works of Art.png

It also has a quite important unique building:
Genoa Building Fondaco.png

And here you have some of the unique advances:
Genoa Advance Banking Traditions.png

Genoa Advance Slave Galleys.png

Genoa Building Slave Barracks.png

Genoa Advance Genoese Galley.png

Genoa Unit Genoese Galley.png

Genoa Advance Genoese Crossbowmen.png

Genoa Advance 28 Alberghi.png

Genoa Reform 28 Alberghi.png

Genoa Advance The Age of the Genoese.png

Here you have some of the flavour events of Genoa:
Genoa Event Merchant Republic.png

Genoa Event Merchant Republic2.png

Genoa Event Merchant Republic3.png

Genoa Event Merchant Republic4.png


Genoa Event Monaco.png

Genoa Building Rock of Monaco.png


Genoa Event Andrea Doria.png

Event Doge Andrea Doria.png

Genoa Reform Great and Minor Councils.png

An old EU4 friend, coming back in a revisited form!​

Oh, and last, but not least, and related to the Byzantine content that we’ll take a look at on Friday, both countries have some unique foreign buildings in Constantinople:
Venice Building Venetian Quarter.png

Genoa Building Galata.png

… And much more, but that’s all for today! And tomorrow, there will be a Tinto Flavour devoted to Serbia and Georgia!

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
 
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How defensible is Crimea navally? Like is their a straight we can block, or do ships give bonuses to resist sieges? While most of the Genoese holdings are islands and can be blocked by a strong navy, the black sea area and the tiny province in anatolia feel like you'll need to split your armies to protect those
 
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i know it is a bit off topic but i ask again, will Germany and italy be finally be formable earlier? it makes no sense to have the Kingdom of Germany and the kingdom of Italy already present at that time as parts of the HRE, but we are unable to unify it.
it makes no sense to conquer all of germany as brandenburg for example and be unable to proclaim myself as king of germany, obviously the same for italy
 
Álvaro Núñez de Lara said:
Some feedback on the map: I don't like the mixing of 3d and 2d in the same mapmode. It makes it look really weird. I love how you highlight the fog of war, but I think you should be able to stick to either 3d only or 2d only.
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Highly doubt it's gonna be a fog-of-war mapmode imo, I mean why bother changing sth that came all the wayfrom the first Clausewitz engine game.
 
Both venice and genoa have the same heir I see. Thats gonna be an interesting personal union when the rulers die/s
Jokes aside i guess it's gonna be changed to none at some point
 
titan.bevel said:
Ok, but then what is the benefit to ERE ? Is it just something they let stay because it makes Venetia and Genoa happy ?
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There should be little benefit, the main question is what are the downsides for them (they may be indirect, increasing Ven/Gen trade share) and what stops them from demolishing it day one... But perhaps we will learn about it from Friday TT on ERE.
 
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H2SO4 said:
How is trade income scheme for these Republics looking like in EUV? Genoa is facilitating goods export e.g. from Kaffa to Constantinople, generating profit? Then Venice reins in, facilitating trade from East Mediterranean upwards to Europe?
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A summary:
  • Both Venice and Genoa have tons of setup and structural advantages to get the 'capacities' you need to profit from trade (Trade Capacity, Trade Advantage, Maritime Presence, etc).
  • Thus, they start in a very good position to expand their initial trade network, and create very profitable trading between the Eastern Mediterranean/Black Sea markets, and the Western European ones, which demand lots of goods.
  • By the profit they get from these trades, and the early edge they have over the Capital Economy SV, they have a good incentive to not only keep expanding their trade profit, but also to reinvest the earnings into a 'Proto-Industrial' economy, compared to a more 'Traditional' or RGO-based economy.
 
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Mrfidl_66 said:
Is there any colonial flavor planned, as Columbus was (prbably) Genoese and both Venice and Genoa as merchant republics could potentially be interested in trade routes to the new world?
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Oof, the origin of Christopher Columbus, I'm not willing to get into that rabbit hole... We're following here the 100% accurate historical data, so there's an event in which Columbus offers his services to Portugal, and in case of being rejected (which is the historical, AI-default option), then he goes to Castile/Spain.
 
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Octopuses69 said:
Ragusa should not be a subject. They were at most an equivalent to tributary from EU4. They were paying small tribute to Venice in exchange for full autonomy. So not only that it's not accurate but you are also locking down a very flavorful nation with rich history.
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Correct, additionally Trieste was fully indipendent, Negroponte was a protectorate of Venice and Corfu was part of the Angevin Kingdom of Albania, there is a lot of stuff that needs to be reviewd here
 
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Pavía said:
A summary:
  • Both Venice and Genoa have tons of setup and structural advantages to get the 'capacities' you need to profit from trade (Trade Capacity, Trade Advantage, Maritime Presence, etc).
  • Thus, they start in a very good position to expand their initial trade network, and create very profitable trading between the Eastern Mediterranean/Black Sea markets, and the Western European ones, which demand lots of goods.
  • By the profit they get from these trades, and the early edge they have over the Capital Economy SV, they have a good incentive to not only keep expanding their trade profit, but also to reinvest the earnings into a 'Proto-Industrial' economy, compared to a more 'Traditional' or RGO-based economy.
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That sounds neat. Speaking of more traditional economies, I think it'd be cool if some trade-oriented buildings required you to have a certain amount of Capital Economy SV to start with so that you don't for example start the game as Korea and automatically turn your country into a proto-industrial hyper capitalist state. Make it so you have to work a little on breaking down Traditional Economy before you can build markets and warehouses and factories and what have you. Though as a traditional economy you can still profit off trade via the non-state controlled Burghers early on(and work to try and make them more powerful, thus pushing you to capital economy).
 
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funnyfritz said:
Anyway Pavia, you are always replying with extreme care, time to ask for a raise.
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It's now part of my job. And I'm glad to be able to do it, as I've been a forum user since 2006. :)
 
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stefffff1871 said:
i know it is a bit off topic but i ask again, will Germany and italy be finally be formable earlier? it makes no sense to have the Kingdom of Germany and the kingdom of Italy already present at that time as parts of the HRE, but we are unable to unify it.
it makes no sense to conquer all of germany as brandenburg for example and be unable to proclaim myself as king of germany, obviously the same for italy
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We want to have the old HRE-related kingdoms (Germany, Burgundy, and Italy) to be able to be granted by the HRE Emperor, as we think it's a decent compromise on the 'plausible' historical setting.
 
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yay venicce, one of my favorite nations. As a fan of the republic of Venice some questions:

1.) why does none of their reforms or advances give monthly republican tradition? Venice was a republic throughout all this time. An aristocratic one yes, but a republic and proud of it.
2.) Anything for the complicated nature of electing the venetian doge?
3.) Anything for the famous venetian glass on the island of Murano?
4.) Is there an event for the rebuilding of the Rialto Bridge with the different people who could have done it? Michelangelo, Jacopo Sansovino, Palladio and Vignola
5.) Any flavor for Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, aka the Ramhal/ramchal? and for that matter any flavor for the Venetian Jews?
6.) Will the Biblioteca Marciana aka the library of saint mark be able to be established?
 
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kubin22 said:
Both venice and genoa have the same heir I see. Thats gonna be an interesting personal union when the rulers die/s
Jokes aside i guess it's gonna be changed to none at some point
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Yup, bug, already reported and on its way to being fixed.
 
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