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Tinto Maps #24 Korea and Japan Feedback

Hello and welcome to another week of Tinto Maps Feedback. Today, we will take a look at Korea and Japan. This area has required less rework than other ones, but still some adjustments have been made.

ADDITIONS

Added the following:
  • Locations
    • Tamura
    • Seongwi
    • Jindo
    • Heungyang
    • Namhae
    • Geoje
  • TAGs
    • Shěnyáng
  • Characters
    • ssg_jo_hwi
    • ssg_jo_yanggi
    • ssg_jo_rim
    • ssg_jo_sosaeng
    • ssg_jo_don
    • ssg_jo_inbyeok
    • kor_ja
    • kor_ko
CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:
  • Locations:
    • Renamed Aira to Kuwabara
    • Renamed Jeju to Tamna
Areas and Provinces
  • Total rework of areas and provinces of Korea
  • Renamed Tōhoku to Ōu
Cultures
  • Renamed Jeju culture to Tamna
Raw Goods
  • Changed several Raw Goods as suggested
Terrain and Vegetation
  • Total Review
Locations
  • Redrew several Locations
Minorities
  • Added someminorities

Countries:
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Not many changes here, only the addition of Shenyang.​

Dynasties:
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Not many changes here either, but you can see that Shenyang has the same dynasty as Goryeo.​

Country ranks and Government Types:
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Locations:
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As I said, no major changes here, only minor adjustments.​
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Provinces and areas of Korea is what has received the most change here.​

Terrain:
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Development:
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Harbors:
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Cultures:
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Not much change in the major cultures, although a bit of adjustment of minorities.​

Languages:
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Location’s language first, Court Language second.​

Religions:
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Raw Materials:
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Markets:
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And not much has changed with the clans distribution, but here you have it:
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That is all for today, this week we will not move far from these areas, here’s the schedule:
  • Tuesday: Tinto Flavour for Korea and Manchuria
  • Wednesday: Tinto Talks for Shintō and the Shogunate
  • Thursday: ‘Behind the Music of Europa Universalis V - Composing the Grandest Score’ video!
  • Friday: Tinto Flavour for Japan and the situations of the Nanbokuchō and Sengoku Jidai

And always as a reminder: Wishlist Europa Universalis V now!
 
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Roger Corominas said:
You have to search in Japanese: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/安藤氏の乱
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I found another English source mentioning it, shouldn't the locality of Inaka also have a visible Ainu minority?

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www.academia.edu

The Ainu of Tsugaru : the indigenous history and shamanism of northern Japan

In presenting this thesis in partial fulfilment of the requirements for an advanced degree at the University of British Columbia, I agree that the Library shall make it freely available for reference and study. I further agree that permission for
www.academia.edu

There is no real concrete evidence but I think if you go with this interpretation Inaka seems a good center of Ainu presence too.
 
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According to the shugo appointment list I'm currently editing, the Hatakeyama clan came to possess Noto in 1391. The source I referenced is from Tokyo Shuppan Publishing: https://www.tokyodoshuppan.com/book/b79498.html. Please note that the list itself is in Japanese.

Additionally, while referring to "Ishikawa Prefecture Surnames and Historical Figures Encyclopedia (Kadokawa Japanese Surnames and Historical Figures Encyclopedia Vol. 17)", no records were found of the Hatakeyama clan being active in Noto during the Nanboku-chō period.
Roger Corominas said:
The Hatakeyama clan is already present in Noto. For the rest of issues, I'd say wait for the Tinto Talks and Tinto Flavor of the rest of the week.
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The Manchurian region should be looking something like this:

(Dark Green is Yuan)
(Everyone is a vassal of Yuan, but some are colour-coded to represent their own spheres of influence)

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Country information table:
(feel free to contribute)

NOTE: Indentations represent subject hierarchy

CountryTitle (Ruler Title)RulerHeirDynastyCultureReligion
YuanKhaganate (Khagan)Toghon Temür-BorjigidMongolBuddhism
Shenyang​
Kingdom (Wang)KoDeoksuWangKorean-
Ssangseong​
Commandery (Marshal)LimSo-saengJoKorean-
Goryeo​
Kingdom (Wang)ChungsukYongsanWangKorean-
Tamna​
Lordship (Seongju / Star Lord)SeokSun-ryangGoKorean-
Belgutei Ulus​
Ulus (Wang)An HunchaTemür BuqaBorjigidMongol-
Hachiun Ulus​
Ulus (Wang)Munanzi-BorjigidMongol-
Qasar Ulus​
Ulus (Wang)Shiliemen-BorjigidMongol-
Otchigin Ulus​
Ulus (Wang)YanaširiAǰaširiBorjigidMongol-
Bugū​
------
Hūlan​
--XiyanghaNara--
Sibe​
--NacibuluGūwalgiya--
Hūrga​
---Wanggiya--
Towūn​
-Bu'eryu-Hešeri--
Wanlin​
---Hitara--
Odoli​
--FanchaGioro--
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Roger Corominas said:
I'm not sure what you expected...View attachment 1315845
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This reminds me: have you considered adding a separate Tsunami natural disaster type? They have quite a different and unique way of spreading. They should likely start from certain sea (or coastal) locations, and spread through the sea tiles, affecting coastal locations to a certain distance (lowland locations might be more affected than higher locations)
 
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Zerodv said:
The dark gold regions stay the same?
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Which ones do you refer? I have dark green for Yuan, light green for Yuan vassals.

Other vassals have different colour-coding to represent their own spheres of influence, although they are all still vassals of Yuan.

 
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Zerodv said:
I found another English source mentioning it, shouldn't the locality of Inaka also have a visible Ainu minority?

View attachment 1315859
www.academia.edu

The Ainu of Tsugaru : the indigenous history and shamanism of northern Japan

In presenting this thesis in partial fulfilment of the requirements for an advanced degree at the University of British Columbia, I agree that the Library shall make it freely available for reference and study. I further agree that permission for
www.academia.edu

There is no real concrete evidence but I think if you go with this interpretation Inaka seems a good center of Ainu presence too.
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There are Ainu there too, it's just not reaching the minimum to show the stripes (barely though)
 
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Its quite a pleasant surprise to see my location suggestions for South Korea's southern archipelagos be realized considering all the recent flops for map feedbacks, makes me ever so slightly optimistic for the map feedbacks that Corominas oversees, but i wont get my hopes up too high les i get disappointed.

Although none of my Japanese island suggestions like for Iki Island(splitting from Higashimatsuura circled in white), Hirado Island(splitting from Nishimatsuura circled in pink), Fukue Island/Goto (splitting from Minamitsuura circled in purple) and Shōdo Island (splitting off from Jōtō circled in red) were implemented is it possible for the implementation of this or is it not technically possible? or is it a design choice im sure youve read my argument regarding why island locations should have a bit more leeway in granularity due to how geographically distinct they are, if you guys were to have a pirate based DLC later on it would be really good to implement this in my opinion.

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Also Jeju island having 2 locations from 1 still feels really underwhelming is it possible if you could make it to 3 and have a location representing the mountainous center on it?



Considering further would it be possible to add just 2 more locations to Southern Korea? Ive made a revised map of my initial feedback and suggested getting rid of 8 and combining 7 and 2 into the Sinan archipelago and having 1 be another location



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Also it it possible for Ulleung Do to be depicted? Or is it too small, a conclusive answer to this would be appreciated

Thank you for your work Corominas.
 
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itoma_aikon said:
According to the shugo appointment list I'm currently editing, the Hatakeyama clan came to possess Noto in 1391. The source I referenced is from Tokyo Shuppan Publishing: https://www.tokyodoshuppan.com/book/b79498.html. Please note that the list itself is in Japanese.

Additionally, while referring to "Ishikawa Prefecture Surnames and Historical Figures Encyclopedia (Kadokawa Japanese Surnames and Historical Figures Encyclopedia Vol. 17)", no records were found of the Hatakeyama clan being active in Noto during the Nanboku-chō period.
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They are indeed not considered to have enough presence in Noto yet, they are only present in a single location
 
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ZigTheNorweigan said:
Its quite a pleasant surprise to see my location suggestions for South Korea's southern archipelagos be realized considering all the recent flops for map feedbacks, makes me ever so slightly optimistic for the map feedbacks that Corominas oversees, but i wont get my hopes up too high les i get disappointed.

Although none of my Japanese island suggestions like for Iki Island(splitting from Higashimatsuura circled in white), Hirado Island(splitting from Nishimatsuura circled in pink), Fukue Island/Goto (splitting from Minamitsuura circled in purple) and Shōdo Island (splitting off from Jōtō circled in red) were implemented is it possible for the implementation of this or is it not technically possible? or is it a design choice im sure youve read my argument regarding why island locations should have a bit more leeway in granularity due to how geographically distinct they are, if you guys were to have a pirate based DLC later on it would be really good to implement this in my opinion.

View attachment 1315876


Also Jeju island having 2 locations from 1 still feels really underwhelming is it possible if you could make it to 3 and have a location representing the mountainous center on it?



Considering further would it be possible to add just 2 more locations to Southern Korea? Ive made a revised map of my initial feedback and suggested getting rid of 8 and combining 7 and 2 into the Sinan archipelago and having 1 be another location



View attachment 1315878


Clearer Image



View attachment 1315883

Also it it possible for Ulleung Do to be depicted? Or is it too small, a conclusive answer to this would be appreciated

Thank you for your work Corominas.
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Unfortunately, all these are too small to be able to be properly represented.
 
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Cotoshky said:
The deep ocean's graphic style looks beautiful... maybe you could add some reflections to the other seas as well?
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They all have reflections; this is just how reflection often looks like, it usually creates a circle like this where the Sun is directly reflected
 
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Roger Corominas said:
They are indeed not considered to have enough presence in Noto yet, they are only present in a single location
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Sounds good. My research only covered up to the prefectural histories, so I wasn't aware of that level of detail.

But if you're going to add this much detail, I think it would be good to include clans like the Chō, Tokuda, Togi, Tokue, and Amano as well.
 
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