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Hmmm, good question.
Don't have any idea about Avignon or anwhere else the Pope might have to reside. May be that the HRE can appoint an anti-pope if the election of the Supreme Pontif does not go his way. Then the fight is on to somehow get one or the other installed/recognized as the Pope.
Don't have any idea about Avignon or anwhere else the Pope might have to reside. May be that the HRE can appoint an anti-pope if the election of the Supreme Pontif does not go his way. Then the fight is on to somehow get one or the other installed/recognized as the Pope.
AFAIK Avignon wasn't the only residence of an Anti-Pope.
Wasn't there another one in Pisa? I remember reading about times where there were at least 3 different popes fighting for power!
Wasn't there another one in Pisa? I remember reading about times where there were at least 3 different popes fighting for power!
In 1409 a grouping of Cardinals from both Avignon and Rome met at Pisa, started a Council, and deposed both existing popes to elect a third pope, "John XXIII". He proved to be a bit of a disappointment, and failed to muster any support of substance.
He resided in Bologna, and transferred to Rome once his supporters had taken the city from Gregory XII. However, John XXIII was persuaded to convene the Council of Constance, which deposed all three existing papal pretenders and elected Martin V as Pope. Thus was the Great Schism ended.
Note that John XXIII (confusingly numbered identically to the great Pope of the 20th Century, also John XXIII, who convened the famed Second Vatican Council) was the subject a great quote from Edward Gibbon in his epic Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. In his book, Gibbon describes the deposition trial as follows: "The most scandalous charges were repressed; the vicar of Christ was only accused of piracy, rape, sodomy and incest." In spite of his deposition, this Pope is not considered an anti-pope, but is held to be the legitimate holder of the Papal throne from his election until the election of Martin V.
He resided in Bologna, and transferred to Rome once his supporters had taken the city from Gregory XII. However, John XXIII was persuaded to convene the Council of Constance, which deposed all three existing papal pretenders and elected Martin V as Pope. Thus was the Great Schism ended.
Note that John XXIII (confusingly numbered identically to the great Pope of the 20th Century, also John XXIII, who convened the famed Second Vatican Council) was the subject a great quote from Edward Gibbon in his epic Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. In his book, Gibbon describes the deposition trial as follows: "The most scandalous charges were repressed; the vicar of Christ was only accused of piracy, rape, sodomy and incest." In spite of his deposition, this Pope is not considered an anti-pope, but is held to be the legitimate holder of the Papal throne from his election until the election of Martin V.
Originally posted by Tambourmajor
AFAIK Avignon wasn't the only residence of an Anti-Pope.
Wasn't there another one in Pisa? I remember reading about times where there were at least 3 different popes fighting for power!
Benevento was another popular residence for popes.
And one of them (can't remember which one - Innocent II?) wandered through France and Germany IIRC until the anti-pope Anacletus II died after eight years in Rome (1130 - 1138).
Yep - that was Innocent II.Originally posted by Sonny
And one of them (can't remember which one - Innocent II?) wandered through France and Germany IIRC until the anti-pope Anacletus II died after eight years in Rome (1130 - 1138).
Originally posted by Tambourmajor
AFAIK Avignon wasn't the only residence of an Anti-Pope.
Wasn't there another one in Pisa? I remember reading about times where there were at least 3 different popes fighting for power!
But was'nt Avignon the residence of the "true pope"? At least at some point.
9 popes in the avignon captivity. basically the 14th C.
nice list of anti-popes (not "true" popes) at
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01582a.htm
nice list of anti-popes (not "true" popes) at
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01582a.htm
A shame the time fram exclude the renisance popes, nice bunch of people But the popes in Avignon lived pretty much like french princes?
But the popes in Avignon lived pretty much like french princes?
