Are these bugs or features? Need advice.

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Hi

I'm a bit worried about what happens to my GC and I would like to ask if what happens is normal or if its a bug.

1. INFLATION

In version 1.08 going bunkrupt increases your inflation. I have gone 3-4 consequtive times bankrupt. After that I didnt take any new loan in order to bring order to my nation (Austria).

What happens is that around10 years after my last bankrupty I still have a whooping 190% inflation rate. Is that normal? Will it go down anytime soon?

It kills me, I just sit and whatch the yeas pass waiting for the inflation to drop a little so I can build an army.

2. RELATIONS

I declared war on a small country. Then his only ally declared war on me. A little after, 2 big alliances with 4 countries each were attacking me (all this around year 1500).

The war ends - me and my allies managed to survive

During this monsterwar my governor does embargo to all nations (the message said without penalties for me).

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So far I have declared war only twice: against Bohemia and against that 2nd nation I dont remeber his name, which was the beginning for the monsterwar.

Now I have -200 relations with virtualy every country in the world.

I believe its all due to the embargo my governor declared (although the message said there were no penalties) I have seen that happen again with an AI country. France did embargo on all nations and everyone was -200 with it. So my governors embargo does have penalties!
Is this a bug???

It's 1520, every country (except my allies has -200 relations with me and my inflation in constantly 190%. Now my game is ruined or what? What did I do wrong?


I dont want to start again coz it was teriffic experience to survive that great war with my allies and now to be ruined by a inflation and a relations/embargo bug.

 

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Originally posted by kav

1. INFLATION

In version 1.08 going bunkrupt increases your inflation. I have gone 3-4 consequtive times bankrupt. After that I didnt take any new loan in order to bring order to my nation (Austria).

What happens is that around10 years after my last bankrupty I still have a whooping 190% inflation rate. Is that normal? Will it go down anytime soon?

--- 3-4 times consequtively on bankrupt? Don't ask why. I never did go bankrupt, but there are tips to decrease it:
1- keep less possible monthly income in "treasury"--see research window. It doesn't matter if you have a monthly deficit. It will slow the increase of inflation
2- You have gold mine in Styria. Gold mines contribute to increase inflation.
You will always have inflation, but decreasing part of monthly budget in treasury would help.


2. RELATIONS

I declared war on a small country. Then his only ally declared war on me. A little after, 2 big alliances with 4 countries each were attacking me (all this around year 1500).

The war ends - me and my allies managed to survive

During this monsterwar my governor does embargo to all nations (the message said without penalties for me).

--- Your governor??? Since when a governor can act himself? It may be the Archduke. But is it part of his intervention field? don't know.

So far I have declared war only twice: against Bohemia and against that 2nd nation I dont remeber his name, which was the beginning for the monsterwar.

---Do you annexed these countries? It doesn't help. Also, consider religious element. You are in 1520? Luther event is passed? Maybe you are intolerant vs protestant or catholic. Check your religious window,

Now I have -200 relations with virtualy every country in the world.

I believe its all due to the embargo my governor declared (although the message said there were no penalties) I have seen that happen again with an AI country. France did embargo on all nations and everyone was -200 with it. So my governors embargo does have penalties!
Is this a bug???

---So weird this thing. For sure, to put an embargo is not a good way to improve diplo relations...


R.F.

 

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Thanks for your answer.

Yes I try to keep treasure at zero but it doest give negative inflation. the lowest treasure seting gives +0.0 inflation!


About the trade embargo, it is a commpn (I belive) random event. It has occured both times I played Austria.

The message say something along the lines "Our Monarch has declared trade embargo to all countries, but you'll suffer no penalties"

I dont know about the stability penalty (mine was -3 anyway) but there sure as hell is a relationship penalty. So this must be a bug (or a disastrous random event).

Also the bankrupty message says the bankrupty penaltys have a 5 year duration, but I'm 10 years after my last bankrupty and still with 190% inflation...

 

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Originally posted by kav
Thanks for your answer.

Yes I try to keep treasure at zero but it doest give negative inflation. the lowest treasure seting gives +0.0 inflation!


About the trade embargo, it is a commpn (I belive) random event. It has occured both times I played Austria.

The message say something along the lines "Our Monarch has declared trade embargo to all countries, but you'll suffer no penalties"

I dont know about the stability penalty (mine was -3 anyway) but there sure as hell is a relationship penalty. So this must be a bug (or a disastrous random event).

Also the bankrupty message says the bankrupty penaltys have a 5 year duration, but I'm 10 years after my last bankrupty and still with 190% inflation...

I don't recall any way to make inflation actually turn into deflation, apart from a random deflation event.

I still have yet to have to declare bankruptcy so I can't comment on the whole situation. In fact, it makes me question, how does bankruptcy come about, I've *ALWAYS* had the option to extend my loans, and have always done so. In fact, I had the maximum number of loans out for like 20 years once, and eventually got into a position to pay them back. Is it a case of just ignoring the message to repay the loan that eventually causes bankruptcy, or does it actually get to the point where you can't extend the loan anymore.

Finally, inflation is a real hot topic regarding this game. I know that I've always tried to control inflation. In fact ever since I got a fairly decent economy going, I've locked my treasury slider at 0.15 inflation, regardless of whether it gives me a negative or positive cashflow. I just deal with what money I have, and normaly I get by, the only time where I've taken out a bank loan after this fact is to build the Weapons Manufactory once it became available, rather than saving for it. In any event, all the contries tend toward my inflation value, and there are a number of threads regarding this phenomenon as being an AI cheat, or a natural tendency that occurs in the real world. Personally, I don't see this as a natural event, mostly witnessed during the Great Depression and the run-away inflation of Germany, or even during the 1970's with the huge inflation of the US, and the currency exchange that occurs. If all countries tended to the inflation amount, then why would the currency exchange change so drastically? Or is that just a recent phenomenon since the switch from hard currency?

 

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Originally posted by OSULugan


I don't recall any way to make inflation actually turn into deflation, apart from a random deflation event.

I still have yet to have to declare bankruptcy so I can't comment on the whole situation. In fact, it makes me question, how does bankruptcy come about, I've *ALWAYS* had the option to extend my loans, and have always done so. In fact, I had the maximum number of loans out for like 20 years once, and eventually got into a position to pay them back. Is it a case of just ignoring the message to repay the loan that eventually causes bankruptcy, or does it actually get to the point where you can't extend the loan anymore.
...

You can always extend your loans, but the interest increase each time you extend them. The interest will take a bigger and bigger part of your available income ubtil it can not be paid, since you can only have five loans at any given time this will cause you to go bancrupt.

 

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What happens is that around10 years after my last bankrupty I still have a whooping 190% inflation rate. Is that normal? Will it go down anytime soon?

Inflation in the game is the indexated cost of something relative inital start cost. This can only be lowered in 2 way, appointing govenors (1% each) and the defaltion event (-33%).
IOW, with a index price on 2.9x inital costs early in the game, your basicly screwed. You will never get it down to acceptable levels.
Don't get yourself in the same problem in your next game (bankrupcy is bad =).


I dont know about the stability penalty (mine was -3 anyway) but there sure as hell is a relationship penalty. So this must be a bug (or a disastrous random event).

It's not the event (it doesn't affect your relations AT ALL), it's you warmonging, country annexing politics that has made you the scorn of Europe.

 

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"...it's you warmonging, country annexing politics that has made you the scorn of Europe."

I hope you are jocking.
I declared war only twice, one of which for taking back land that was "rightfully" ours [Bohemia - CB].

BTW, why all other nations, although they are at war all the time doesnt suffer heavy stability penalties? Most nations have 3 or 2 stability most of the time. Is Austria some special case, as home of the Emperor or is it the AI cheating - or neither?

And one more question: what is the use of the negative messages in the diplomatic screen? Why would someone send an insulting message and decrease his relations rating with another nation?

Thanks for every kind reply.

 

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"...it's you warmonging, country annexing politics that has made you the scorn of Europe."

I hope you are jocking.
I declared war only twice, one of which for taking back land that was "rightfully" ours [Bohemia - CB].

Jokeing ?
Far from it.

The circumstancial evidence you give here suggests that you did far more the just DOW Bohemia. In fact you militarily forced annexation on the entire country, didn't you ?

That alone gives you 10BB points (+1 for the initial DOW) and -100rel to every catholic country in the game (which is basicly all of Europe in the first few decades). The high BB also makes your relations to drop with every one for the next 30-40 years or so ...

And you havn't even told us what that other country you DOWed was and what you did with them ...

BTW, why all other nations, although they are at war all the time doesnt suffer heavy stability penalties? Most nations have 3 or 2 stability most of the time. Is Austria some special case, as home of the Emperor or is it the AI cheating - or neither?

AI rarely DOWs without a CB or during peace treaties (ie 0 or -1 stab only).

And one more question: what is the use of the negative messages in the diplomatic screen? Why would someone send an insulting message and decrease his relations rating with another nation?

Right now it's use is quite limited, except for for instance getting a RM with a country that likes to hover near 0 relations with you or making shure that country B follows the Alliance treathy with country A when you DOW it (since you have a CB aginst A but not B, which is your real target ,)

 

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