Aussie Group Doomsday MP Game 20th April.

[mike8472]

Hi all.

I thought its about time to get a thread to see if we can start our first Aussie group DD game. I will try and organsie it for Thursday night, if not then Friday for sure depending if all can make it. Looking for at least 6 players. Game will start in 36 scenario, rules can be discussed once were all in the game. Game time would hopefuly be 7pm start.

Axis.

Germany - Me
Italy - Munster
Japan - Gunny
Nationalist Spain -
Hungary/Romania -

Allies

UK - Major
USA - BB
USSR -
Canada -
Australia -

So put your names down for a country.

 

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italy

 

[unmerged(5892)]

My copy still hasn't arrived, but it was posted today according to my sister.

I have only suggestion for a rule for DD:

Mike can never be Germany, Munster can never be Italy.

That is all...

 

[unmerged(17563)]

I played USSR in SP and got beaten by the AI so maybe I better not play them.

Italy
USA
Japan

 

[mike8472]

Major phoned me, he wont be home till 10 pm thursday so we will start on friday. Major wonts the UK, to prevent us axis nations smashing you allies AGAIN. Hahaha.

Also myself, major, munster are free all day on friday. We can start anytime. So list the times your free to start.

 

[unmerged(49192)]

Gunships , ok Japan then . will be fun pushing BB around the world
1 rules i would like is no , uk or usa troops in russia , lend lease is ok but witch is tanks , air planes and ships , but not troops
2 rules usa cannot attack till germany italy or japan attacks it
but if no rules then any think goes ok
after daniz

 

[him_15]

I would like to join the game as well. Either Canada/Australia.
But at the moment i am playing with the download version of DD.

Edited: Just got my copy today! guys i am certainly joining you!

 

[unmerged(49192)]

ok and another thing as we do play game so long
Win rules 2/3 of play have to be killed for game to quit or be a win
eg russia die player takes other country , but when other major country die eg uk or usa or country player second pick then , game over 2/3 win rules
this rule eg for 6 players game only .
this rules so players that are going for nukes and rocket as there way to win game can still be played out in time . eg russia can be killled in 1941 but uk and usa , canada etc would still be in game around 1944 , very hard for axis to win sea war in 1 year and land troops in usa or uk if uk makes till 1940 ok

 

[mike8472]

Well i think what gunny means is no attacking through nuetrals which i agree with.

As for when the US joins the war, well as long as the UK home islands havnt been invaded or one of the atlantic islands i dont think they would join. If the axis gets to agressive there are events to cover it. Unless that happen they should wait till Japan DOWs them. Also Japan should not join the war until after 1941 as its not fair on the UK player.

If we want Italy to remain outside the Axis until after france falls, then there needs to be restrictions on the UK moving forces to africa prior to italy joining the war. The main reason italy started joining the axis early is the UK player normaly had 80+ allied & CW divisions sitting there from day 1 of the war. Italy has no chance when faced with such odds. If we want a more blanaced game at least for the start then i propose the UK cannot move forces to the med other then its own until war with italy. Same restrictions apply to germany, no forces in the med until Italy is in the war. Italy should remain outside the war until the attack on france.

Also if we want to keep the game balanced and historical, then both the UK and Germany should not control any other nations forces until war breaks out. I think we have gone a bit far with all our forces rdy and in position for day 1 of the war. In reality we should still be moving forces from our minors once war breaks out. If we can agree to something like this then if we have a spainish player or other axis minor they should remain out side the alliance until war. So the UK would not need to cover all the extra areas such as gibralter, malta, alexandria for the start of war.

This would get our game back basics, were its basicaly Germany vs UK/France & Poland for the start of war and not Germany/Italy/Spain at the start of war. But to do this there cannot be all the CW forces deployed to the UK/France or africa on day 1 of the war. All CW forces will remain in there own nations under AI control until war starts, same with and German minors.

This would help keep the game balanced, really CW forces should take months to reach the battle front like they did IRL. If we cant agree to keep this Historical like most want and keeping Spain and Italy out of the Axis until war then it will be open season as it is at present and the UK will continue to get hammered.

Tell me what you think.

 

[mike8472]

I would like to join the game as well. Either Canada/Australia.
But at the moment i am playing with the download version of DD.

Edited: Just got my copy today! guys i am certainly joining you!

Sorry unless your in australia we wont be playing with you. This is due to lag problems and time differences. We have found it is ismply to hard and to slow with international players. This is why its called the aussie group.

 

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This would get our game back basics, were its basicaly Germany vs UK/France & Poland for the start of war and not Germany/Italy/Spain at the start of war. But to do this there cannot be all the CW forces deployed to the UK/France or africa on day 1 of the war. All CW forces will remain in there own nations under AI control until war starts, same with and German minors.

This would help keep the game balanced, really CW forces should take months to reach the battle front like they did IRL. If we cant agree to keep this Historical like most want and keeping Spain and Italy out of the Axis until war then it will be open season as it is at present and the UK will continue to get hammered.

Tell me what you think.

I agree with you completely here mike. Playing the UK in our short lived 4 player showed that the strategy for the UK to cope with an early belligerent Italy was simply to stack huge forces in key locations, and try and hold on for dear life, given it could expect to be overwhelmed from all sides from day 1.

The comments made in your other thread about uber-teched axis forces against the SU in particular seem to spring from 2 things as well - intelligent axis tech trading, and early axis alliances. Effectively, the tech trade between Germany, Italy, Spain, etc from day 1 means that the Axis gain the equivalent of what must be around 1 years tech advantage, in addition to their superior starting techs, and tech teams. Limiting the Axis to no early alliances prior to say, the fall of france, would re-balance the game.

 

[mike8472]

It wont slow down Germanies techs so much as it gets very little from eith Italy or Spain, it will slow down spain and italies techs some what. It wont prevent the axis though from reaching the same tech level at the same time as the previous game aginast the USSR. All that will change is we wont be able to swap techs till 1939 or 1940, we will still co-ordinate techs so there is no doubling up and simply tech those techs once there in the alliance.

It will reduce research for Italy & Spain in Tank and Aircraft techs, but this is offset now that germany can simply build the units for these nations and give them to them.

For example, Italy can focus on doing Naval and Land techs, no need to do air techs besides some docs as Germany can build aircraft for them and sell them to italy for the cost of supplies. Spain may focus soley on land builds and tech with germany also providing aircraft.

But this is also open to the allies if there are any minor nations being played. The US can also supply aircraft or tanks to both the UK and USSR in time. US techs and build are behind and alot more expensive then other nations until later on.

If we limit all sides forces from CW & Allies till war and Italies and Spain involvment in the war until Paris falls. It should go a long way to re-balancing the game. But keep in mind it not simple a re-balance for UK, it must be balanced for italy as well, it is very unfair for the UK to mass the entire CW in africa in the past. One game i saw 120+ allied divisions in africa in 1940.

Be good if we can get back to basics, then i can get back to being a Jew boy and sending ital nothing like i normaly do, well may just a few panzers and stukas. Im sure troy will like this, not.

 

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I like most of the proposals

However I am a bit hesitant about this trading of forces, is it only able to be done within an alliance? Otherwise I can see myself as USA giving the UK my entire fleet to smack Italy with...

Anyhoo we are defnetly playing on Friday night? So I can go ahead and say no to dinner invitation? Cos I thought we was playing tonight oh well.

 

[mike8472]

Yes we will start a game up on Friday for sure. Would have been tonight but majors not home till 10pm.

Well if the US wants to give there whole fleet away, thats there choice i guess but it will cost the dearly later on, as not even the mighty US can replace an entire fleet before war with out sacrificing its land and airforces.

I certaintly wouldnt give away my ships, if the UK player has lost so much to require large amount of US ships, i would be keeping them for myself then let some UK player self destruct them.

 

[him_15]

Sorry unless your in australia we wont be playing with you. This is due to lag problems and time differences. We have found it is ismply to hard and to slow with international players. This is why its called the aussie group.

OH, didn't realize that :wacko:

 

[unmerged(50486)]

What happened to our other game? I thought we were finishing that first.

I heard some BS about major pulling the pin..

Moscow has not been taken, London has not been taken and Washington is not even within the axis scope of capability.

I can understand major being upset with his ravaged Russia... but im not about to say "You win" to the axis when they quite simply have not. Its only early 44, and let me just say we played Historically yes? That means that the allies do shit all to June 44....

Regardless of what techno babble the Axis think they have at hand, counter offensive are about to rage though the Med and and the Caucases by the allies.

Please tell me this game isn't over..... I have not been annexed, therefore i have not lost and am no whre close to admitting defeat.

No air force no navy squalk squalk, ill ive lost is africa given my stunning tactical defeats. The Pink lands remain pink in general and i would be the one to say the game doesnt neccesarily depend on Russia. Uk preys that USA can still bring home the win and as ive said time and time again, time is very much on the allies side.

 

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Yes MG I agree. Our flexi game is very much at a climax. I see no reasons to quit the game.

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[mike8472]

Well speak to your ally major not the axis. Russia is prepared to throw in the towel due to little help from allies and having the crap kicked out of it.

Really there is little major can do to stop me, you guys havent seen the mauling he has tacken and how desperate his situation has become. The Russian army has reteated to the Urals to stay out of range of the luftwaffe. Its only a matter of time before we close and destroy or maul those forces as well. There is nothing the allies can do now to save russia, you will never get ashore in europe, we are far to strong in the west and spain. You can fight in the caucuses and bring your planes to russia to be destroyed.

Major has already told me he wishes to surreneder as he has no hope of suriving the german onslaught. Peace negioations have begun, and Germany makes plans to turn its full might aginst the allies after the succesful defeat of the USSR.

I will play this game out as long as every one else does, its our best game so far.

Anyway post in the right threat for this game, if russia has surrendered i cant see how the game can continue, the allies will never win once russia collapses.

Lets wait and see what major says first. If this was doomsday then yes there would be plenty of time and options to play on and have an axis & allies WWIII.

 

[Majorball]

Yes MG I agree. Our flexi game is very much at a climax. I see no reasons to quit the game.

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I loaded up both your countries UK and USA and you guys got no hope of doing anything to help Russia. Wrong build, troops all over the map in little bits and peices here and there, useless carrier builds etc etc Doesnt wory me wasting another 30 hours on this game so you guys can acheive absolutely nothing. I havnt quit any game only asking for oponion...If you have some great plan I like to know about it otherwise I will just surrender to Germany and you can fight without Russia on your side.
For a start Mighty building all rockets will acheive absolutely nothing while I lose 10 divisions a week to aircraft. And it will take your guys 18 months to reach the Suez. Play on if you like waste all our time I dont care.... I will just load up go watch TV while you 2 guys bumble around the world map doing absolutely nothing.
On top of all this I was afflicted by a known game bug for the first 12 months of the war with no compensation.

 

[mike8472]

On top of all this I was afflicted by a known game bug for the first 12 months of the war with no compensation.

It wasnt know until we found it during game play, and we edited it as soon as we realised it was a bug.

But i do agree with most of majors post. I guess you allies needs to send some long PMs to stalin to assure him of your plans or new plans and strategy to save russia. Other wise stalin is finished.