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Is anybody else suffering from an extremely murderous Catelyn Stark? I think it's because of her combination of having "Wroth" and "Family Oriented", but as soon as any of her family is in the line of succession for a title, she starts murdering everybody in front of them in my game.

I had granted some lands to Robb Stark, and then the next thing I knew they were no longer part of the North and were in fact Riverlands now. WTF? I reloaded a save and saw that Catelyn was methodically murdering everybody ahead of Robb in the line of succession for Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. Robb inherited the Riverlands from his uncle Edmure after Catelyn had him murdered. He was married to Margaery Tyrell in my game and, sure enough, Tyrells started dropping like flies.

She's not only murderous, she's GOOD at it. I know that after she died in the books she got pretty brutal, but I don't think this is really in-character for the earlier bookmarks.
 
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How exactly does she get brutal after she dies? She's dead. Oh wait... You don't mean... Oh God no.

P.S. I don't know how exactly this comment can be disagreed with in any way, but ok.

P.S.S. lol
 
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I would say that is perfectly in character for Catelyn.
 
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I think there are some Catelyn haters in the mod team. :)

Thought I would get away from all the scheming and murder, and play in Essos for a change. Set up a custom ruler in East Andalos, and when I go to find a bride, Sansa Stark is still available. That's a load of prestige, and I think the Iron Throne is happy to marry her off to some minor noble overseas to get her out of the way.

Unfortunately, her mom came to the wedding. Everything was going well, until she cut a servants throat for spilling wine on her. Had to bribe the servants to keep it on the down low.

Catelyn is probably the evilest character in the game. Ramsay Snow seems agreeable in comparison.
 
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Clear Air Turbulence said:
I think there are some Catelyn haters in the mod team. :)

Thought I would get away from all the scheming and murder, and play in Essos for a change. Set up a custom ruler in East Andalos, and when I go to find a bride, Sansa Stark is still available. That's a load of prestige, and I think the Iron Throne is happy to marry her off to some minor noble overseas to get her out of the way.

Unfortunately, her mom came to the wedding. Everything was going well, until she cut a servants throat for spilling wine on her. Had to bribe the servants to keep it on the down low.

Catelyn is probably the evilest character in the game. Ramsay Snow seems agreeable in comparison.
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We have rather different notions of whats agreeable :p Cutting a mans private parts off for fun is not among mine.
 
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Ramsay has never been anything but a good loyal Northman in my games, and hasn't cause me any headaches. Catelyn Stark became a kinslayer to steal power for my son and in the process made me lose Robb as a vassal not long after I landed him. And Ramsay has never killed anyone at any of the weddings I have invited him to.
 
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Yeah. That's always happened to me when I played a custom character in the North. Nothing I can do can stop it. Bribing her, gifting her, sleeping with her. Nothing!
 
Lady Stoneheart lives, and sees your through your lies ... ... ... :)
 
plainsfox said:
Yeah. That's always happened to me when I played a custom character in the North. Nothing I can do can stop it. Bribing her, gifting her, sleeping with her. Nothing!
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Alas, brave plainsfox, braving Catelyn's bed to keep his lands...
 
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Don't mourn me too much. In one play through the following happened.

1) Ned was knocked on the head and would soon be dead.
2) Catelyn was seduced and a bastard produced.
3) Somehow the bastard wound up as Lord of the RIverlands. I do not know if it was because of direct inheritance or more likely Catelyn became Lord and got deposed somehow.
4) The Robb in this play through was a weak and anemic thing who dropped dead not long after his eighteenth birthday, leaving the Lordship of the North to his only surviving relative, his half brother, the Lord of the RIverlands.
 
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So you literally fked your way up to the top
 
My bloodline, maybe. My character was still alive at this point and being worked to death by his son. IIRC there was a brother ahead of Catelyn's son and I'm not the type to kill off family members. I should've changed my main title over to elective though.
 
Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn, especially after you murder her husband, paralyze her son then proceed to send an assassin after said unconscious son, hold her two daughters captive, invade and occupy her home, kill her other two sons, burn her home, murder her other son, her daughter-in-law, her unborn grandchild, then murder her.

I think she's afforded the right to kill whomever she please after this experience.

Also, I know Bran and Rickon escaped Winterfel while Arya got out of King's Landing. But to Cat's perspective, Arya is still in King's Landing, and her two sons were killed on the orders of Theon.
 
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SBerger said:
Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn, especially after you murder her husband, paralyze her son then proceed to send an assassin after said unconscious son, hold her two daughters captive, invade and occupy her own, kill her other two sons, burn her home, murder her other son, her daughter-in-law, her unborn grandchild, then murder her.

I think she's afforded the right to kill whomever she please after this experience.

Also, I know Bran and Rickon escaped Winterfel while Arya got out of King's Landing. But to Cat's perspective, Arya is still in King's Landing, and her two sons were killed on the orders of Theon.
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I could understand if I was playing one of the later bookmarks but Catelyn is a homicidal maniac long before all the bad stuff happened to her family
 
SBerger said:
Also, I know Bran and Rickon escaped Winterfel while Arya got out of King's Landing.
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A totally unrelated sidequestion....where are the Stark cadet branches? How is it possible that after the Targaryens, Lannisters and Boltons pretty much the whole dynasty - one so incredibly ancient - is almost wiped out?
It seems to me that Martin didn't think of that all that fully. Ideas to have The North go to the Lannisters by way of Tyrion's marriage with Sansa seems an awfully ludicrous dream and I find it highly unfeasible that even the Boltons would have absolutely no contestant, who would oppose their claim through late lord Eddard's daughter...
 
Slavicist said:
A totally unrelated sidequestion....where are the Stark cadet branches? How is it possible that after the Targaryens, Lannisters and Boltons pretty much the whole dynasty - one so incredibly ancient - is almost wiped out?
It seems to me that Martin didn't think of that all that fully. Ideas to have The North go to the Lannisters by way of Tyrion's marriage with Sansa seems an awfully ludicrous dream and I find it highly unfeasible that even the Boltons would have absolutely no contestant, who would oppose their claim through late lord Eddard's daughter...
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The Karstarks are one but they're on the verge of becoming subsumed by the newly endowed Thenns. The Greystarks lasted a couple of centuries before they made the unfortunate choice of rebelling with the Boltons. In regard to other cadet branches, they may or may not exist; with greater emphasis on the latter. The lack of cadet branches however might be explained by the tendency for Stark males to join the Night's Watch but really this is just speculation on my part.
 
AjayAlcos said:
The Karstarks are one but they're on the verge of becoming subsumed by the newly endowed Thenns. The Greystarks lasted a couple of centuries before they made the unfortunate choice of rebelling with the Boltons. In regard to other cadet branches, they may or may not exist; with greater emphasis on the latter. The lack of cadet branches however might be explained by the tendency for Stark males to join the Night's Watch but really this is just speculation on my part.
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If i remember correctly Harrion Karstark should still be alive ?
 
Clear Air Turbulence said:
I could understand if I was playing one of the later bookmarks but Catelyn is a homicidal maniac long before all the bad stuff happened to her family
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It might be worthwhile to only give her the Wroth trait after certain events have transpired.
 
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Niander said:
If i remember correctly Harrion Karstark should still be alive ?
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Alive and under captivity by the Lannisters I think. I think I read it one of Brienne's chapters but I cannot say which one for sure.
 
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