CK bugs?

[Alhazen]

NO matter how much i plug CK to many friends, both IRL and online, many of them seem to shrug off the game since its being published by Paradox, as being "too buggy to play", obviously dissatisfied with Other Titles that shall remain unnamed... How will this be answered by the publishers? I have faith.. but I cannot discount those who think the game wont even be playable for a year or more after release.

 

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Originally posted by Alhazen
NO matter how much i plug CK to many friends, both IRL and online, many of them seem to shrug off the game since its being published by Paradox, as being "too buggy to play", obviously dissatisfied with Other Titles that shall remain unnamed... How will this be answered by the publishers? I have faith.. but I cannot discount those who think the game wont even be playable for a year or more after release.

This is a decent point an issue I have had myself. I have told 3 friends about HOI when it first came out in Nov in the states. We all bought it all 4 of us still have it, none of us play it anymore. One of the guys keeps tabs on these forums the other 2 are just WWII gamers really. I think what you can do is is direct them to the developer updates and impress upon them the fact that Sergei and snowball are doing the game then giving it to Paradox for beta, then it goes to whomever publishes it.

Thats 3 layers of QC there, in addition one cant deny that Paradox supports thier games and issues many patches. To most that isnt desirable they want the finished product out of the box. To those I would ask them to direct you to the software company that produces historical simulations like PAradox that can achieve perfection, dosent exsist.

One thing I have learned in my tenure here on the boards is that its really what value it is to you. Are you a casual gamer? do you play for a month and shelf? Most people here arent, they are here because of the Historical simulation. Its a niche market, and really you cant get games like this just anywhere, there are a few but not many on the scale that CK will offer.

Basically you have 2 options, buy and ride out the storm for the love of the game and the appreciation of PAradox, or wait until a few patches are released. I say option 1 is preferrable because the deeper your investment in time and energy into the forums the more understanding you get that these guys are trying the best they can with the means they have to bring you the best game ASAP.

Thats really all you can ask, unless of course you can program your own game, I cant so I have commited myself for the long haul. I will more then likely buy almost every game Paradox or associates put out, if they screw up I will let them know, if they excel I will let them know as well but in the end I get I game I cant get anywhere else and they get paid to do something they like to do. We both win, because in the end I need them to make the games, and they need me to buy them and so its not like buying a cofee, you have to invest a little into the relationship to get the most out of it.

my 2 cents

 

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Re: Re: CK bugs?

Originally posted by Odin1970
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One thing I have learned in my tenure here on the boards is that its really what value it is to you. Are you a casual gamer? do you play for a month and shelf? Most people here arent, they are here because of the Historical simulation. Its a niche market, and really you cant get games like this just anywhere, there are a few but not many on the scale that CK will offer.

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Excellent point and one to which I subscribe. It is a matter of what you want. I want historical games and there is no one producing them anywhere near what Paradox does. Don't play HOI anymore - never did play it too much. Coulda taken it back but didn't - I want to support Paradox (and the associated game makers Slitherine and Snowball). Sure I bitch and moan about things I don't like but in the end I want them to stay around and produce more games. Since they do a great job following up (open beta in EU2 was terrific) I'll stick around.

 

[Powerslave]

I was disappointed with the release of HOI myself. Picked it up again in a month or so with the v1.04 patch and I was amazed by the progression. Now it's a great game and I play it every now and then.

Well I agree with Sonny and I think that any games like the ones Paradox make is worthy of support. I don't think HOI could have progressed to become v1.05 if they had waited to release it until it is the state at where it is now.

Thanks to the great community at Paradox forums they can perfect their games. I think they and perhaps Snowball as well should launch their future games as giant beta tests to all their forum members before releasing it to the shops. We could iron out all the problems so that when the game is officially released it would be at the state like EU2 is at v1.07 or HOI with v1.05.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Powerslave
Thanks to the great community at Paradox forums they can perfect their games. I think they and perhaps Snowball as well should launch their future games as giant beta tests to all their forum members before releasing it to the shops. We could iron out all the problems so that when the game is officially released it would be at the state like EU2 is at v1.07 or HOI with v1.05.

and then when everybody on this forum got their hands on a beta copy exactly how many additional copies do you think paradox will sell?

 

[Alhazen]

Oh, I am definately a hardcore historical gamer myself. and i am willing to deal with bugs personally if the game is enjoyable to me as a strategy gamer.. my question really applies to people whom i think of as at least moderately interested historical gamers, but will not give the game a chance because of past failures. Ill post a reply i got after suggesting CK on another forum:
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This game will suck.

Or maybe it will go like this ...

- Al purchases copy of game after game is released, game is buggy as shite laying on the ground in an African village.

- Al will say 'well, these guys are good they always patch their games and care about their fan base. Maybe I will go over to the official boards and see what I can learn.'

- Al will be banned from the official boards for saying 'Hey guys, love the idea of the game, big fan of EU2 ... I noticed bug A, B, C ------ and M. I was wondering if this is something happening to me alone or ... is this common?'

- One year will pass and the game will finally be remotly playable for Al ... but Al won't care anymore. He will just remember the $50.00 he lost because he trusted this company to release a PLAYABLE version of the game.

 

[kurtbrian]

well, I think that Paradox have learned the lesson from HoI.

I truly hope so anyway.

I think it really hurt their reputation, that HoI was in the state it was in when released. However, I don't think it was paradox's decision to launch the game, I believe it was their publishers.

 

[Quivis]

I hope this game will have universal patches that will bring all languages and versions. I really don't like to wait one month or more than other players for my version .

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Alhazen

- Al will be banned from the official boards for saying 'Hey guys, love the idea of the game, big fan of EU2 ... I noticed bug A, B, C ------ and M. I was wondering if this is something happening to me alone or ... is this common?'

Just for the record: Noone has ever been banned here just for stating something as polite as "Al" supposedly did here.

 

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It was SF's fault the game went out early, the betazoids told SF it wasn't ready, but SF forced it out for the Christmas rush...

Also, it wasn't that bad at v 1.00.

So blame SF not Paradox.

 

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Originally posted by historycaesar
It was SF's fault the game went out early, the betazoids told SF it wasn't ready, but SF forced it out for the Christmas rush...

Also, it wasn't that bad at v 1.00.

So blame SF not Paradox.

The problem with that is twofold - 1) Paradox took the reputation hit not SF (or the other publishers) and 2) blaming the publisher gets you nowhere because there is no other way to get the game than through the publisher.

So if SF determines when the game is released then Paradox had better get the game in shape because they are the ones taking the heat for a buggy game.

And yes, it was that bad at v1.00.

 

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Originally posted by Alhazen
............ my question really applies to people whom i think of as at least moderately interested historical gamers, but will not give the game a chance because of past failures. .................

What I have started doing is to not tell my friends about a game until I think it is playable. Most fo my friends are not hard-core gamers and do not keep up with what is going on in the gaming world. So when i consider a game to be in a playable state I start hyping it to them. Not a great solution but that way they at least believe me when i say something is a good game.

 

[Amadís de Gaula]

I´m going to quote the spanish moderator Chema-Cagi here:

"I´d rather have a good game that needs ten patches than a bad one that doesn´t need any".

I fully agree, obviously.

Specially when this games are sooo good. See HoI today, it´s really a very good game after 1.05.

 

[kurtbrian]

Doesn't change the fact that HoI was not in a great state when it was released....

 

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Originally posted by kurtbrian
Doesn't change the fact that HoI was not in a great state when it was released....

Correct. And that is where your reputation comes from, the first impression. Those folks (o.k. we folks) who get a game hot off the press make an initial judgement on what we get right out of the box. Follow up may regain some reputation but not nearly as much as reviews and word of mouth on the 1.00 version.

 

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Originally posted by Sonny
Correct. And that is where your reputation comes from, the first impression. Those folks (o.k. we folks) who get a game hot off the press make an initial judgement on what we get right out of the box. Follow up may regain some reputation but not nearly as much as reviews and word of mouth on the 1.00 version.

Well I was pretty unhappy when I got HOI, it was my first Paradox game one I had been anticipating. I made plenty of noise about it and got talked to bu the Duck more then once in private.

My point is your rep can take a hit, but you can repair it, which I believe Paradox has with the patching of HOI. There was a lot of other things that happened in the HOI community that left some disillusioned but in the end looking where we are now with HOI its a solid game.

So its reasonable to assume based on the HOI expirence that CK will be a concern upon release. Well I hate to break it to everyone but its going to have bugs, and some will make us pull our hair out. In the end you probably wont be able to find another game like it anywhere else and even if you do it wont be bug free. Its better to make your valuation, purchase when you can and then get on the boards and note the bugs so they can be patched.

 

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Originally posted by Odin1970
Well I was pretty unhappy when I got HOI, it was my first Paradox game one I had been anticipating. I made plenty of noise about it and got talked to bu the Duck more then once in private.

My point is your rep can take a hit, but you can repair it, which I believe Paradox has with the patching of HOI. .........................

You kept at it. Just think of all the gamers who are much more casual than you who got the game and told their friends what a piece of crap it was. Big rep hit for paradox and non of them will follow up to see if it is patched and may not bother with the next Paradox game.

 

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Originally posted by Sonny
You kept at it. Just think of all the gamers who are much more casual than you who got the game and told their friends what a piece of crap it was. Big rep hit for paradox and non of them will follow up to see if it is patched and may not bother with the next Paradox game.

Of course your right, I defer to my earlier point that its a niche market. Now a lot of the WWII gamers only play WWII games, but for the most part the people that are here are "Historians" for lack of a better term. Its been my observation that most people here buy all of the games because of the historical simulation.

Thats thier market, I am sure they would love to expand it gets sales like the sims series but most people arent intrested in the crusades, or the historical backround of the period. So yes there is a rep hit, but if your in the market for historical simulation games that are event driven Paradox has that niche cornered as best I can tell.

Perhaps a poor example but Windows from 3.1-98 was god dam buggy I dont know how many fatal errors I got that know one could answer. But Microsoft had the best product going for what it did, and they improved on it over time and still are an industry leader. You still hear jokes about the stability of old windows apps, but most of the computers are still running it.

Reputation is important but when your the only one in the game, its less important.

 

[stibogis]

I would like to know how the regents numbers will be handled. I mean if u are allowed to chose your succesors name in ck what will happen in eu2 when u for example only are on the regent number 5 as luis of france in ck but in eu2 the first monarch to be called luis gets the regent numbeer 11 wont that be wierd!
how will this be handeled