CK newbie here

[Saoirse]

I have played Eu3 and Victy 1 along with HOI series but I am trying the CK which i have made huge regret of not buying CK complete for 14 quid instead CK for 8 quids and adding DV expansion on top of it with extra 14 so I cant seem to get refund to rebuy complete instead of CK.

Now I am irish so I am working as count in one of 13 province in Ireland and want to achieve my dream of unify Ireland then take wales/scotland before taking on the bastrad english!!!!!!

I pick Leinster(should have pick ulaid but the red hand icon doesnt rub well with me), but the issue is trying to claim teritorys and hardest thing for me is wardecing etc - there is no way of seeming to do proxy wars that I do in Eu3 to avoid triggering series of alliance fighting me.

SO any advices for new player of CK of how to play this game in basic sense of economy and diplomacy etc.

 

[Flammehav]

You could always take a look in the first posts in this AAR. Not exactly the same starting position, but not far from it.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326458

Also if you wondering about anything, You can see through the post here on the first page. I started playing 4 days ago, and I think I've made about 9 threads or something in those days, spamming the very nice guys here on the forums with questions on just about everything you might wonder as a newbie CK player.

As a general advice though. Don't start as a count in a rather poor province for your first game. Pick one of the reccomended once, like king of Spain or Duke of Apulia for the first game to learn the ropes. When you mastered the basics and got a grasp of game mechanics, you will have a much better chance of unifying Ireland, then you have on your first game.

As for getting attacked though.
1.Try and pick an Irish count with a strong ang nearby ovelord, that might help you in your wars.
2. Try and get into a might alliances. Most of the time they don't seem to help much, but others country will think twice about attacking you if you got a powerfull friend.
3. Make sure you pick on a one province count with no overlords and no alliance if possible. Or atleast weak once.
4. If you are unsecure of someone taking advantage of you beeing vourneble and in war, make sure you wait until either your target or the count/duke/kingdom you fear is busy elsewhere.

 

[Saoirse]

I did look at AAR which is huge help but now I playing as Ulaid and there are quite some issues - some mistakes which I am not repeating again but I notice the badboy reps - any way of reducing it?

Any advice playing in irish king/duke in end? Had lot of issue declaring war which I need to set claim on county then invading etc. Is it easier as King/duke? Any other way of declaring war outside of that method?

 

[unmerged(124674)]

I did look at AAR which is huge help but now I playing as Ulaid and there are quite some issues - some mistakes which I am not repeating again but I notice the badboy reps - any way of reducing it?

Any advice playing in irish king/duke in end? Had lot of issue declaring war which I need to set claim on county then invading etc. Is it easier as King/duke? Any other way of declaring war outside of that method?

High piety will decrease badboy over time. Also giving land to vassals gives you a onetime badboy reduction.

No matter what level your primary title is (count, duke, king) you can't declare war on a Christian unless you have a claim on one of his titles, he is fighting your ally, or he is fighting one of your vassals.

You can always declare war on nonChristians at anytime, without needing a claim.

 

[unmerged(84239)]

I did look at AAR which is huge help but now I playing as Ulaid and there are quite some issues - some mistakes which I am not repeating again but I notice the badboy reps - any way of reducing it?

Any advice playing in irish king/duke in end? Had lot of issue declaring war which I need to set claim on county then invading etc. Is it easier as King/duke? Any other way of declaring war outside of that method?

The difficulty as an irish ruler is mainly your poor provinces. Aim your research for techs which give you +1 gold improvements (mines).

The other difficult thing is to amass enough prestige to grab claims. This can be done:
- having lots of girls and marrying them to dukes and kings
- getting events
- having lots of vassals


If you fear that you might get overrun by an irish alliance, choose a temporary liege who will protect you. I would choose someone who is powerful to be a threat to Ireland, but is not wealthy.

This is because if you hold 2/3 or ireland you and your liege have the opportunity to create the irish crown. If you do it, you are free, if he does it, good luck taking it from him.
Therefore choose Scotland (or even Norway) instead of England.

 

[Saoirse]

Got a problem with this start of Ulaid - I manged to seize 3 province in north of ireland and claim duchy of Ulster title but now prestige title cost is high compare to last time i tried - it cost 600+ per province in prestige cost - what give? My reputation is honourable the cost of claiming title didnt rise that fast in my first go?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Got a problem with this start of Ulaid - I manged to seize 3 province in north of ireland and claim duchy of Ulster title but now prestige title cost is high compare to last time i tried - it cost 600+ per province in prestige cost - what give? My reputation is honourable the cost of claiming title didnt rise that fast in my first go?

Whenever your primary title changes, you need to save and reload. Else weird things like this happens.

 

[Saoirse]

Cheer for that advice - it manage to fix the situation i had encountered.

Another issues - rampaging rebellion from my vassals espically dukes - I kindly need them to increase my prestige but putting them down also put up prestige vastly but every vassal are kept being disloyal etc, I reducing scuttage to 1/3 but I fear i have to set it to 0 now

 

[Flammehav]

Cheer for that advice - it manage to fix the situation i had encountered.

Another issues - rampaging rebellion from my vassals espically dukes - I kindly need them to increase my prestige but putting them down also put up prestige vastly but every vassal are kept being disloyal etc, I reducing scuttage to 1/3 but I fear i have to set it to 0 now

As I said look at the threads below for answers.

1. Whenever you get a new ruler, all vassals lose 50% loyalty. So when you get a new ruler, pause the game and see what the loyalty is of your vassals and check what the monthly chance is. To increase loyalty you can sent gifts to your most disloyal vassals.

For all your BB-question, check the FAQ

BadBoy: What gives it and what takes it

When vassals start to rebel, taking all their titles is usually not a good idea since you then get into to the 'spiral of doom'. You have BB, a vassal rebels, you take his titles, you get more BB, another vassal rebels, you take his titles, you get more BB and so on.

Sometimes you just have to let them go, if you hold the higher title (f.e. the kingdom-title and their counties are in that kingdom, then after your reputation has improved they will offer to become your vassal again).

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

That last post by me, is for non-DV games only.

If you have DV and get rebels because of a bad reputation, then you must follow a different strategy.

In DV you can force-vassalize vassals without any badboy-gain. And if a vassal rebels, you automatically get claims on his titles.

So what you do in DV is this:
- defeat your rebel vassal
- force him to be your vassal
- give up your claims on his titles

That way, you keep your vassal and your reputation improves.

 

[Flammehav]

I know, but after what he said in the first post I doubt he got DV.

I have played Eu3 and Victy 1 along with HOI series but I am trying the CK which i have made huge regret of not buying CK complete for 14 quid instead CK for 8 quids and adding DV expansion on top of it with extra 14 so I cant seem to get refund to rebuy complete instead of CK.

 

[Saoirse]

I dont have DV because i or gamersgate mess up and offer CK for 8 quid then DV could be cheaper but oversight in my part not seeing DV costing 14 quid then CK complete costing 13 quid so i got screwed or messed up here tbh

 

[unmerged(84239)]

Cheer for that advice - it manage to fix the situation i had encountered.

Another issues - rampaging rebellion from my vassals espically dukes - I kindly need them to increase my prestige but putting them down also put up prestige vastly but every vassal are kept being disloyal etc, I reducing scuttage to 1/3 but I fear i have to set it to 0 now

What you shouldn't do is to start punishing them one by one, inmediately.


Let them go, and if your badboy score is lower reconquer. Reconquer the next when your BB went down again.



It is sometimes necessery to set scutage to 0 for periods, to keep your vassals. (new ruler, bad trait like heretic)

 

[TempestDK]

It is sometimes necessery to set scutage to 0 for periods, to keep your vassals. (new ruler, bad trait like heretic)

I always keep Scutage at zero. At the start of the game I get too little in to really matter, and later on I rarely need it.

It helps loyalty immensely and also gives you bigger armies from your vassals which are always useful

 

[Ivan Rogov]

From my observation, it appears that setting scutage below a certain point has no additional effect. The maximum effect to loyalty from lowering scutage seems to be +1%, and any additional changes do nothing.

 

[TempestDK]

From my observation, it appears that setting scutage below a certain point has no additional effect. The maximum effect to loyalty from lowering scutage seems to be +1%, and any additional changes do nothing.

That is because it is rounding off. So you can keep scutage at probably 4-5% and still get full loyalty bonus ... but the amount of money you will save on that is mostly miniscule.

I tested this on a save as Duke of Barcelona. When Scutage was 100% I got 2,4 gold. And once I got it down around 0,2 gold I got full loyalty bonus.