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Setsuna

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All right, I finally looked through my population numbers and their ideology. The overwhelming majority of my Dutch population is Liberal. Aside from two small states, their voting block is clearly the liberal party.

So why is it the Conservatives win every election in a landslide?

I've examined other factors that could cause these people to vote for other things - uh uh. Nope. These POPs are very conscious are are GOING to vote for their favorite party, the Liberals. There's only one answer:

The Natives are voting. :wacko:

I was under the understanding that colonies and natives simply did not get to vote, and that only POPs in your states could vote. But the 99.9%-100% Conservative natives of Malaysia in the state of Sumatra (Not an actual state) must be swinging the vote in favor of the Conservatives. Not coincidently, they are 2/3's of the total population, and the conservatives win with a slightly larger margin than this. There's no way that they aren't voting.

So, the question is, are they supposed to be able to vote, and if not, will this be fixed in a later version?

In the meanwhile, is there any way to change the Sumatrans voting habits? It's like they don't even acknowledge the existence of the other parties.
 
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Wow. I really hope this isn't true, or, that if it is, it isn't as widespread throughout the game as I fear it might be. They're not supposed to be able to vote, as I understand it. This really sucks.
 
Setsuna said:
All right, I finally looked through my population numbers and their ideology. The overwhelming majority of my Dutch population is Liberal. Aside from two small states, their voting block is clearly the liberal party.

So why is it the Conservatives win every election in a landslide?

I've examined other factors that could cause these people to vote for other things - uh uh. Nope. These POPs are very conscious are are GOING to vote for their favorite party, the Liberals. There's only one answer:

The Natives are voting. :wacko:

I was under the understanding that colonies and natives simply did not get to vote, and that only POPs in your states could vote. But the 99.9%-100% Conservative natives of Malaysia in the state of Sumatra (Not an actual state) must be swinging the vote in favor of the Conservatives. Not coincidently, they are 2/3's of the total population, and the conservatives win with a slightly larger margin than this. There's no way that they aren't voting.

So, the question is, are they supposed to be able to vote, and if not, will this be fixed in a later version?

In the meanwhile, is there any way to change the Sumatrans voting habits? It's like they don't even acknowledge the existence of the other parties.
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Whats your current voting reform?If it's landed then the conservatives will always win.And your plurality, that effects your pops voting habits too.
 
If your POPs have low CON, they are more likely to vote for the current ruling party.

:) Rafiki
 
This problem also exists for the UK. Getting the Whig or Liberal party in can be very difficult by holding onto large amounts of conservative populations not part of British states.
 
rafiki said:
If your POPs have low CON, they are more likely to vote for the current ruling party.

:) Rafiki
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Exactly. Low consciousness means they vote for the party ideology (liberal, conservative, socialist, etc) regardless of the issues that are important to them. High consciousness means the pops vote for the party whose stances on their issues is closest, regardless of ideology. So, if you have a high consciousness pop that is Conservative and things free trade is the most important issue and has interventionism as a secondary issue, but the Conservative party is protectionist and laissez faire, the pop will vote for a liberal party if its believes in free trade and interventionism.

Remember, High consciousness favor issues, low consciousness favor parties. The thought being that if a pop has little consciousness of the things going on around him, he will likely follow the party line, even if it means he's voting for issues he doesn't believe in.
 
That's not what I said; if a liberal POP has low CON, it might vote for a conservative (ruling) party, because it doesn't know what's "good" for it.

Ideology vs issue is a different thing.

:) Rafiki
 
I have full Suffrage enacted, and the consciousness among most if not ALL Liberal voters is at maximum. They don't even require any motivation from me to vote Liberal. Nonetheless, I picked Issues in the Issues Vs. Ideology, and each election time picking the Liberal parties' issues in the events does absolutely nothing to change the outcome. I don't recall if any of the Election Time events are universal or only worked at a state/provincial level, but if they are universal, it has no effect on the Sumatrans (And the few other native pops.) I must assume that they only affect States, since I have yet to see a liberal native in a Colony.

The Dutch, (And Flemish, French, etc.) which make up about 1/3 of the population are typically clocking in around 29% for the Liberals. The other parties usually get 2% divided among themselves, although the Socialists managed 5% recently, and then went back to obscurity, IIRC. In comparison, the Conservatives are winning around 69% of the vote, and as I said, it just so happens that the Javans in Sumatra make up about 2/3 of the population, and the entire population of Sumatra is Conservative.

There can be only one logical conclusion. The Javans, as well as other native POPs, are voting.
 
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Also the pie chart for the entire population's ideology is an exact mirror of the latest gallup poll. That kinda gives it away right there.
 
Have you granted Sumatra statehood?

Anyway, I want my colonies to vote. I'm a sucker for democracy.
 
Setsuna said:
Also the pie chart for the entire population's ideology is an exact mirror of the latest gallup poll. That kinda gives it away right there.
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Me thinks you need to submit a bug report in the bug forum(where else?), this is obviously a bug.Posting your save game can't hurt either.Just be sure to compress it.
 
I've a sneaking suspicion that those colonial natives are being allowed to vote also.

As Germany (Universal Suffrage, Democracy), once I starting industrializing, the Liberal parties were winning all the elections. Then I conquered Japan, filled with millions of Conservative Farmers and Laborers. The Conservative parties starting winning all the elections, even though the population of European Germany was firmly Liberal (almost all Mil 0, Con 10).

Likewise, as USA, I was taken over by the Conversative Parties as soon as I started conquering China, with it's millions of Conservative Farmers and Laborers.
 
Raph said:
Have you granted Sumatra statehood?

Anyway, I want my colonies to vote. I'm a sucker for democracy.
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No, I already said it wasn't a state, nor can it be granted statehood.


When you say compression, do you just mean zipped, or something else?
 
How about Residence/Citizenhip? Do you have full citizenship and does that effect who constitutes as being part of the electorate?
 
The Conservatives policy is Residence, so if that had any effect on anything, the Liberals would be winning in a landslide.
 
Setsuna said:
No, I already said it wasn't a state, nor can it be granted statehood.


When you say compression, do you just mean zipped, or something else?
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Yup, you should zip the saved game.
 
Hmm, one last thing. I noticed in the Bug forum that someone mentioned how the Netherlands have Sumatra and other colonies set as cores. That wouldn't be the cause of the problem, would it?

Although, from what other people are saying with regards to conquering native populations, it sounds like that's not the problem.
 
Ardryn said:
Me thinks you need to submit a bug report in the bug forum(where else?), this is obviously a bug.Posting your save game can't hurt either.Just be sure to compress it.
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Also, how do I send it? Don't tell me I need to host the file myself..

Oh, and do you need to zip both save game files (The EUG and the smaller CFG) or should you just package the big one?
 
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