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Hi all!

I just got my copy of this great game. And i right away started GC with belowed Russia;)

Everything seems to go nicely for some time. I conquer Kazan and it's southern friend Ar...something. I pushed all way to Crimea. I created alliance with denmark, bohemia and moldavia.

Constant wars. I beat also Teutonic order. Then was quiet for a while. Then Poland started war against our alliance. It was no harm to me because AI tought Bohemia as better target.

I have stability +3. But those constant rebellions former Crimea and friends. How in earth i can handle those constant rebellions. I have 30k army and rebellions starts...8k rebels beat shit out of my STRONG morale armies.

10 years with constant wars and rebellions and i run out of money and men. How can i avoid BB rating with russia? What must be done diplomatically? With little expanding all i got is rebellions and wars.:eek:
 
You might wanna check your religious tolerance. Those newly conquered provinces of yours have predominantly Muslim populations. Maybe you're inadvertently persecuting them. Adjust your religion sliders accordingly.

Of course if you want to be an intolerable bastard, you can always whittle the population down to less than 5000 and then send colonists to convert the province to your state religion. And if your constantly at war with everyone all the time war fatigue will become a problem. Especially in non-national provinces.
 
Religious Tolerance is Key

I had this problem with Spain. I had +3 stability but constant rebellions in some of my provinces. I eventually clued in that they were Muslim and that I had set my tolerance for muslims at 0. No wonder they were pissed. I adjusted it and have had no more rebellions ever since.
 
Great lesson in tolerance

This is a great lesson to learn early. I wish I had spent more time at these boards and less glued to the game screen ranting about rebels hehe. Thanks for the tip =)
 
and remember that newly annexed province have a special revolt bonus for the next thirty years...
 
Your constant wars are probably a result of your badboy value. If you expand and take/annex a lot of providences, your badboy value goes sky high, and every country attacks you.
 
About the tolerance

When you make the tolerance for islam bigger your muslim provinces havent got a so many riots as before (if you are fore example russia). Which are the bad parts if you make the islam more tolerate. Are your ortodox provinces for likely to make a riot?
 
Re: About the tolerance

Originally posted by Fregr
When you make the tolerance for islam bigger your muslim provinces havent got a so many riots as before (if you are fore example russia). Which are the bad parts if you make the islam more tolerate. Are your ortodox provinces for likely to make a riot?
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No, not if you keep ortodox tolerance high too. But if you have many religions in your empire, it's impossible to please them all.
 
I do my best to keep only one or two religions in my empire, and then just max the main religion (i.e. in russia's case Orthodox), make the slider "sticky", and then max out the other religions in my empire-i.e. if muslim, take that one as high as it will go. If I have two, make them about equivalent as the number of provinces each one controls.

That seems to work well for me.

:)
 
Hmm keeping 2 religions in your empire sure is good, if you can it is.
When starting out as a German minor with expansion wishes, you juuuuust can't have justy 2 religions. :)
Right now as Brandenburg I have Reformed, Catholic, Protestant (state religion) and even a Muslim province

Believe me, a true pain in the ass :)
 
In my current Turkish GC I took on the "role" of the muslim faith , and set my tolerance level for catholics to 0. One thing I have found out...it sure takes a while to kill off 90,000 catholics in a province you recently acquired from Austria so you can send in a muslim colonist :D.Orthodox Protesant,Sunni are withing my borders. I don't recal Reformed being within my glorious nation(yet).
 
Hail Olaf_the_White,

Although setting your tolerance to zero might not be the "nice thing to do" you have to consider the alternatives. Since you can't please all the religions at the same time , on the average you will have revolts randomly pop-up in all kinds of places. If you select one faith to be persecuted you are more likley to "centralize" your rebellions. Not to mention I have noticed that muslims are very VERY picky about your tolerances. Like I said I am playing Turkey , and my religion tolerance towards my Muslim flock is at a position where I get a 0% revolt risk due to religion.In a diff. GC of mine I was playing Russia , and at the same position my Orthodox followers were more appreciative , and therefore could give a little more tolerance to the other religions. Obviously this can be explained mainly due to the drastic opposition of Muslim/Catholics belief. I just find it harder to please my Muslim followers.

Has anybody else noticed this?

BTW...yes it is fun ;).
 
The other things you can do to lower rebellion risk are to build improvements, especially governors, and to take a peace timeout periodically to recover from war exhaustion.
 
Originally posted by Xanadu
Hail Olaf_the_White,

Although setting your tolerance to zero might not be the "nice thing to do" you have to consider the alternatives. Since you can't please all the religions at the same time , on the average you will have revolts randomly pop-up in all kinds of places. If you select one faith to be persecuted you are more likley to "centralize" your rebellions. Not to mention I have noticed that muslims are very VERY picky about your tolerances. Like I said I am playing Turkey , and my religion tolerance towards my Muslim flock is at a position where I get a 0% revolt risk due to religion.In a diff. GC of mine I was playing Russia , and at the same position my Orthodox followers were more appreciative , and therefore could give a little more tolerance to the other religions. Obviously this can be explained mainly due to the drastic opposition of Muslim/Catholics belief. I just find it harder to please my Muslim followers.

Has anybody else noticed this?

BTW...yes it is fun ;).
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Hmmmm.....

I hadn't thought about it but I think you're right. Having played as both Russia and Turkey I've noticed that the Muslims are much more likely to rebel against the Russians than the Orthodox are to rebel against the Turks. With the Russians I have constant revolts in Astrakhan especially. I try to leave a 20k army there at all times until the revolt risk drops to 0. Since the Turks have to set tolerance for bith the Orthodox and Shi'ites where in the early stages the Russians need only set tolerance for Muslims the Muslims are probably better treated by the Russians in the early stages.
 
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