Divine intervention

[Tolstoyevsky]

I believe it was during the siege of Antioch, yet I am not certain…Anyway, here goes: a Christian army was besieged by vastly superior Mohammedan troops. The Crusaders were unable to lift the siege, giving their inferior forces. Momentous was also the fact that they were starved into submission, as their reserves of food dwindled briskly. Just as they prepared to surrender, somehow, to their astonishment, the skies opened and “an army of angels descended upon their enemies” (as they described it) in a apocalyptic carnage of biblical proportions. Historians and scientists alike tried to accredit the phenomena to delusional hallucinations. Apparently, starvation can have serious side effects. Yet, what they fail to explain was how so many men had the very same hallucination. And more importantly, they failed to explain how a few starved, depressed men routed an army. Deus le volt?

How is the game going to handle such events?

 

[unmerged(1196)]

You can't possibly be serious. And "Mohammedan?"

You know, the outcome could have had a wee bit of influence from the fact that the Moslem forces were fighting amongst themselves. As for visions that everyone supposedly saw, I just skimmed through a couple Christian Chronicles of the Siege and couldn't find any mention of this army of angels that you speak of.

 

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Originally posted by Ramo

You can't possibly be serious. And "Mohammedan?"

Yeah, it sounds like he's somewhere out of the 18th century, doesn't it?

 

[Tolstoyevsky]

Ramon, try reading Sir Steven Runciman's three volume "A History of the Crusades", one of the great classics of English historical writing. The event is depicted there.

 

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Hmm..I seriously doubt that it will be handled at all in the game..

 

[Galleblære]

What kind of tech level does the angels have?

 

[Finnish Dragon]

Originally posted by Wasa
Hmm..I seriously doubt that it will be handled at all in the game..

Random events, perhaps?

 

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Originally posted by Galleblære
What kind of tech level does the angels have?

You reach piety level of 100, and here it comes - God and angels provide you volley system and a pair of ballistic missiles.

 

[unmerged(18522)]

I think that the event occured as Bohemmond et al sallied forth to engage the atabeg of Mosul's forces. other sources, including the Gestae, describe St. George and an army of white knights, including those who had already died on the Crusade, engaging the Musslemen

I suggest if you have a particularly impressive/persuasive bishop/cleric/imam you can increase the overall morale of the army. However we are treading dangerously into the world of Games Workshop.

What about the effect of the True Cross or the Lance on morale?

 

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Originally posted by Constantine VII
I think that the event occured as Bohemmond et al sallied forth to engage the atabeg of Mosul's forces. other sources, including the Gestae, describe St. George and an army of white knights, including those who had already died on the Crusade, engaging the Musslemen

I suggest if you have a particularly impressive/persuasive bishop/cleric/imam you can increase the overall morale of the army. However we are treading dangerously into the world of Games Workshop.

What about the effect of the True Cross or the Lance on morale?

The thing i fear is how we can model a balance in this issue: can not it be like this: you have 1,000 pikemen and extremely high morelae and you defeat a 50,000/200,000 infidels only due to morale.

Well, the question of morale is very upsetting in EU II - where you can lose a battle having 50k with hig techs to rebels who are twice as fewer and with smallest tech level. And i think no one would like the same situation in CK.

 

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Originally posted by Khimaira
You reach piety level of 100, and here it comes - God and angels provide you volley system and a pair of ballistic missiles.

Great idea !

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Weird coups like that should be below the player's control. In EU terms it would have been represented by a particularly devastating siege blow.

I'd like to see how the People's Crusade is modelled.

 

[Spruce]

something like the kamikaze thunder storm sweeping away the mongol invaders,

why not? But controlling it like in command and conquer is more or less fantasy

 

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Originally posted by Spruce
something like the kamikaze thunder storm sweeping away the mongol invaders,

why not? But controlling it like in command and conquer is more or less fantasy

Yes, I agree it would be interesting.