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Divisions during ww2

can someone tell me where i can find statistics for units

most important are average number of men and tanks per division with differences between nations (the majors are most important)
i'm looking for it all over the net for a long time but no effects
i found feldgrau 'n similiar sites but thats not it
i don't need history but cold statistics like:

number of men,
inf div:
Ger-xxx
Rus-xxx
UK- xxx
tan d :
xxx
xxx
xxx
number of tanks
etc. etc.
is there a place were i can find it?
or maybe someone knows something more about it

im also iterested in regiments
and stuff like AT AA Art in units
average of course

PS
maybe thanx to this site i'm gonna really learn english one day :wacko:
 
I was always under the impression that a standard "Division" in HOI2 meant 10,000 men, and a Brigade being roughly an extra 2,000. However, If i'm not mistaken, the USA used 20,000 men in a division for the First World War, so I'm not sure if they historically did so in the second war as well. :confused:
 
i know that there where many differences but i'm looking for exact stats
germans used smaller inf divs than allies
but soviet inf D were bigger

thats all i know
 
Chicken said:
However, If i'm not mistaken, the USA used 20,000 men in a division for the First World War, so I'm not sure if they historically did so in the second war as well. :confused:
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28,000, according to Keegan. Also, the type of division also mattered, AFAIK, when it came to amount of men and equipment.
 
Fo this sort of detailed information a library might be better than an online search - although you could try Googling "table of organization and equipment" or TO&E. The thing is, even within a country it varied depending on the year and a thousand other factors.

For example, I do know this:
German infantry divison 1939: 17,200
German infantry divison 1944: 12,352
German Volksgrenadier divison: 10,072
German mountain divison: 13,056
German Luftwaffe field divison 1942: 7,000

A 1944 infantry division had three infantry regiments, each comprising two battalions plus a howitzer company (8 guns) and anti-tank company (3 guns); and also a Fusilier battalion, an artillery regiment (48 guns), a signals battalion, an anti-tank battalion (38 guns) and an engineer battalion. Plus 783 motor vehicles and 4,656 horses.
 
In a general overview you can say that Infantry divisions had 3 inf regiments (brigades in the British army), an arty reg, plus attached Bns (Recon, AT, AA, Eng, Tank...) for about 18.000 men.
In late 1943 German Inf Divisions reconverted regiments from 3 to 2 Bns, and recon Bn to Fusiliers (an Bycicle Bn that served as mobile reserve), reducing enlisted numbers to about 12.000, for the most part in reality it was just a reorganization of divisions already very weak.
British and American kepth the strength of their divisions at around 18.000.
Soviet Divisions at the start of the war were similar in size to Western counterparts, but after 1942 they were drastically reduced to about 12.000. They also had a sammler complement of attached Bns, in fact they were basically large Brigades that relied on Army HQs to provide them logistical support.
Italian divisions were smaller from the start, as they had just 2 Inf Regiments.
Number of men, however is not a good measure of fighting power, Romanian Divisions had almost 20.000 enlisted men, yet they were rather weak.
 
Here is some information about Russian units. And like the others have already said, TOE changes almost constantly with all the majors.

Code: 
Russian Infantry division 1944 (9,200 men)		

Division HQ (135 men)		
	3 infantry regiments (2500 men each), each had	
		1 Regimental HQ
		3 infantry battalions (600 men each)
		1 ATR company (27 x AT-rifles)
		1 AT company (6 x 57mm AT-guns)
		1 Artillery company (6 x 76mm howitzers)
		1 Mortar company (6 x 120mm mortars)
		1 SMG company (90 men)
	1 AT battalion (12 x 57mm AT-guns)	
	1 AA battalion (18 x 37mm AA-guns)	
	1 Engineerbattalion	
	1 Communicationsbattalion	
	1 Artillery regiment 	
		2 Artillery battalions (12 x 76mm field guns each)
		1 Artillery battalion (12 x 122mm field guns)

Russian Tank corps 1944 (10,500 men)		

Tank corps HQ (250 men)		
	3 Tank brigades (1100 men and 65 tanks each), each had	
		1 Brigade HQ (2 tanks)
		3 Tank battalions (21 tanks each)
		1 SMG battalion (250 men)
		1 AA company (6 x 37mm AA-guns)
	1 Mortarregiment (24 x 120mm mortars)	
	1 Katushyabattalion	
	1 AT regiment (24 x 76mm AT-guns and 12 x 45mm AT-guns)	
	1 AA regiment (18 x 37mm AA-guns)	
	1 Artillery regiment (20 x 85mm SPG)	
	1 Artillery regiment (20 x 152mm SPG)	
	1 Motorized Infantry brigade (2,000 men)	
		1 Brigade HQ
		3 Motorized Infanry battalions
 
I can post manpower numbers for US divisions during world war 2. Do you want early war or mid war numbers or both?
 
well I'm working on a mod for HoI Arma and am looking for data
I thought about using units similar to CORE but make 3 sorts of them instead of 2 (maybe even 4 - since the number ov models for each unit can be even up to at least 50)
I could use any help

even the info about kinds ov div used by any of major countries
i want to make more differences between them

i've seen many sites but there is not enough info (maybe it's yust me looking wrong direction)
 
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An example... US Marine Division 1941

1st Marine Division was composed of the following,
Three infantry regiments
One Artillery regiment
Engineer units of close to regimental strength.
A squad consited of nine men.
Three squads per platoon.
Three platoons per Comapany plus a HQ platoon.
Three Companies per Battalion plus battalion HQ.
Three Battalions per Regiment plus regimental HQ.

The size and strength of the squad increased as the war went on. Also, a tank battalion was added, as was an amphibious tractor battallion.

Do you want to take the increase in stats as a show of the increase in manpower? Do you want all of the changes for a division listed, ie early war only, or early, midle, and late war? What size are the units that you are trying to represent? Divisions, regiments, Task Force, or Battalion? I will help where I can but I need more info. Also if you are representing regimental, battalion, level I can give you the correct OOB fo the US.
 
Micah Goodman 2 said:
Three squads per platoon.
Three platoons per Comapany plus a HQ platoon.
Three Companies per Battalion plus battalion HQ.
Three Battalions per Regiment plus regimental HQ.
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I'd like to point of course that a platoon had more than just 3 squads. Platoon leader, meidc etc.
Company would have even more than just three platoons...and so on.
 
Micah Goodman 2 said:
An example... US Marine Division 1941
The size and strength of the squad increased as the war went on. Also, a tank battalion was added, as was an amphibious tractor battallion.

Do you want to take the increase in stats as a show of the increase in manpower? Do you want all of the changes for a division listed, ie early war only, or early, midle, and late war? What size are the units that you are trying to represent? Divisions, regiments, Task Force, or Battalion? I will help where I can but I need more info. Also if you are representing regimental, battalion, level I can give you the correct OOB fo the US.
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i was thinking about divisions
division size should be as it was in reality

because almost all of the ww2 divisions used Art AA AT Eng etc units i want to completely change brigades in hoi

example:
Mountain is now Light infantry (for US 15000 - is that correct?)
it's attachements could be:
-Alpine (makng it a mountain division)
-Winter (like Finish soldiers or Russian Syberian Troops)
and i was also thinking about additional Tropical attachement

The problem is lack of brigades (there are only 13) and i have to also change Inf Arm Cav etc.

AB - what sort of attachement? maybe glider?
Marines - Aphibious Vehicles/Support?

no Mot Inf Div - attachement for motorisation
sorry, i must go i will continu later

PS:
Art AA AT etc will give bonus by tech - witchout attaching them (there will be no such brigades)
 
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Veldmaarschalk said:
Thread moved to HoI2 Scenario and Modification, since it isn't about history but about making a mod. :)
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thanx it's been moved 3 times now
i really appreciate that :)
so...
if i'm gonna ask about something new in here then i suppose you're gonna move it again :D
 
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