I was playing earlier and managed to capture Jerusalem as King of Georgia. Within days of making peace with my former nemesis, the Emir of Medina, the DOW from western Europe started rolling in. I suppose it's not really an implausible turn of events but it wasn't really the direction I wanted the game to go. The English had a claim on Jerusalem from having conquered the territory earlier on in the game but it wasn't them who declared war. The HRE was the first to jump in along with several of his vassals and then France along with a few of her Dukes jumped in.
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Crusading as Orthodox? I'm playing the Rus and chose them because I wanted to unify them *and* I DIDN'T want to crusade. You can "crusade" as Orthodox, but there is no effect on piety and no prestige bonus. It's like attacking any other pagans.
The AI is programmed to gang up on anybody holding the crusade objective. They lose piety if they don't. Never conquer Jerusalem, Antioch, Damascus, Constantinople, Alexandria or Cordoba (there are others, but I can't recall them) as a "schismatic." Like you described, it will open a world of hurt.
The AI is programmed to gang up on anybody holding the crusade objective. They lose piety if they don't. Never conquer Jerusalem, Antioch, Damascus, Constantinople, Alexandria or Cordoba (there are others, but I can't recall them) as a "schismatic." Like you described, it will open a world of hurt.
Original poster didn't say exactly that he captured Jerusalem in the course of crusade.
I'm not sure how it's in DV, maybe that have changed, but at least in vanilla CK, as far as I remember, Catholics don't have a problem with an Orthodox character holding a crusade target (any Christian will do).
To the original OP, are you playing with DVIP by any chance? And possibly any of the add-ons/improvement packs? There are events added in that seem to force more crusading, especially for the Human player. Several times I've gotten events that wanted me to attack a Catholic Realm because the Crusade target was in his hands but the Crusade was still going on (and I even had it trying to make me DOW myself once). It's entirely possible I didn't install DVIP correctly and something either didn't get overwritten that should have, or did that shouldn't have.
Was Jerusalem already the Crusades target when you captured it? I've never seen a crusade called on a province that was already owned by Christians.
I wasn't crusading per se. I was just expanding to my natural borders with Terra Ingognita.
I really had no desire to take Jerusalem other than that it was held by the Emir of Medina and it became apparent that there would be no peace between he and I until he was wiped from the map.I'm just playing with DV and the 2.1 beta patch. I haven't added DVIP or any other add-ons.
Jerusalem was already the crusade target when I captured it. It was the target of the first in-game crusade and was nearly taken by the English then. They decided to start with Alexandria and work their way north and were in Hebron before the crusade "ebbed out". Jerusalem was added to English holdings a few years after the official crusade was over. The second crusade was for Burgos. In the meantime, the AI of course pissed away much of it's crusader holdings by refusing to raise troops to stop revolts so Jerusalem became the target for the third crusade as well. The once mighty Emir of Medina decided to pick a fight with one of my vassals (archbishop of Mosul, IIRC) so I relieved him of all his lands north of Arabia, including Jerusalem. Shortly thereafter, most of western Europe declared war on me.
Are Orthodox considered heretics, and do Catholic nations get an event to recapture Jerusalem if it is in Orthodox hands?
Orthodox are not considered heretics (You can't declare war upon them without claims if you're catholic), and yes, Catholic nations can get a crusade against Jerusalem if it is in Orthodox hands, since Jerusalem must be under Catholic hands and not Orthodox's in gameplay perspectives.
Without a claim on one of your Titles (preferably Jerusalem or a Province close to it), the Catholic AI Realms still can't do a DOW on you, even in a Crusade. I can't see that the game would break one of it's most basic rules in this way. The only exception would be if you 'force-vassalized' a Muslim who controlled Jerusalem and he hadn't converted to Orthodox yet. The Crusade is still going on so they would be pushed to do a freebie hit on him.
I actually saw both scenarios. In the first scenario I took Jerusalem myself (as King of Georgia) and was going to hold it for another year or so until a family member completed his ecclesiastic education. Within days of adding it to my demense, German and French lords started in with the DOW. As stated previously, the English had once held Jerusalem so they surely had a claim. I doubt all 30 or so other rulers that declared on me had claims, though it is possible. I never checked.
I could have, at worst, held my own but I felt like it was most likely a bug in the game and I just didn't feel like playing it out so I reloaded to just before I took Jerusalem. I left Jerusalem in Saracen hands this time but had the misfortune of having a vassal inherit the province a few months later. Many, many, DOW were made against him as well. He converted to Georgian Orthodoxy sometime later and the crusades eventually ended. An independent Hungarian count managed to sack Jerusalem but the province was never ceded to him.