DVIP: More Kingdoms Mod - Discussion

[jordarkelf]

No longer being updated, this mod has been rolled into the DVIP Addon. Please use the main DVIP thread to discuss.

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This mod adds the following recreatable kingdoms to the game:

Brittany (PISA): a kingdom in the like-named duchy, to represent its independence in the early 2/3rd of the CK timeframe.

Lotharingia (U019): Charlemagne's realm was divided in three parts: Neustria, Lotharingia, and Austrasia. Neustria became France, Austrasia became Germany, but Lotharingia was lost. Its south is represented by Italy, its middle part by Burgundy, and its north is now Lotharingia. It encompasses both duchies of Lotharingia as well as the rest of the Netherlands.

Aquitainia (U018): named for the Roman province of Gallia Aquitania, it contains the Occitan lands wedged between the Loire, the Pyrenees, and the Gulf of Biscay. As a separate kingdom it represents the relative weak hold France held over what is today considered its south part.

Andalusia (U017): named after al-Andalus, this contains the south of Iberia except for Portugal. Its north borders are the Duero river and Toledo, and at the Mediterranean coast the province of Valencia.

Navarra (NAVA): now recreatable, this kingdom consists of the traditional Basque lands and the core of the Kingdom of Pamplona. Its provinces are Albret, Labourd, Navarra, Viscaya, La Rioja.

Mann and the Isles (MANN): a historical kingdom comprising the duchies of Western Isles and Orkney (North Sea islands, north Scotland, and Isle of Man)

Scenario updates:
1066: Brittany is ruled by Duchess Hawiz, with a capital in Rennes. Her consort Hoel is count of Nannes and Cornouaille.
1187: Duke of Western Isles has become the King of Mann and the Isles
1187: Order of Santiago (U000) is a duke-level vassal of Castille
1337: Order of Santiago is a duke-level vassal of Castille
1337: Livonian Order now represented by U001

Coats of arms for Aquitainia and Andalusia are based on the Visigothic CoA and are made by Gigau.
Brittany the kingdom uses the Rhoaz Du or Black Cross as its CoA.
Lotharingia has the Cross of Lorraine, CoA made by Gratianus.
Santiago and Livonian Order (U000, U001) COAs by Grell.

This mod is designed to be unzipped on top of Deus Vult with the latest Deus Vult Improvement Pack installed, overwrite where prompted.

Download: 'More Kingdoms.zip'.

 

[jordarkelf]

Screenshot of all kingdoms:

British Isles:
Brown: The Isles
Green: Ireland
Blue: Scotland
Orange: England
Purple: Wales

Scandinavia:
Light blue: Norway
Dark blue: Sweden
Dark red: Denmark
Dark grey: Finland

Western Europe:
Light grey: Lotharingia
Green-brown: Germany
Darkest blue: France
Red: Brittany
Dark green: Aquitania
Dark red: Burgundy

Spain:
Green: Navarra
Yellow: Castille
Light blue: Léon
Brown: Portugal
White: Andalusia
Blue: Aragon

Italy:
Light green: Italy
Very light green: Sicily

Eastern Europe:
Very light green: Bohemia
Dark green: Poland
Light yellow: Lithuania
Green: Russia

Balkan:
Dark blue: Croatia
Dark grey: Hungary
Light grey: Serbia
Darkest blue: Bulgary
Yellow: Latin Empire

Asia Minor/Steppe:
Yellow: Khazaria
Red: Georgia
Purple: Nicaea
Light blue: Armenia

Far east:
Light brown: Persia
Blue: Mesopotamia
Darkest blue: Syria
Orange: Jerusalem
Dark grey: Arabia

North Africa:
Brown: Egypt
Dark green: Africa
Orange: Mauretania

Not visible is Iceland, which is NONE along with Wallachia/Moldavia and Corsica/Sardinia.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Another possible kingdom is that of The Isles

Consisting of :

1	Vestisland
2	Austisland
33	Faereyar
34	Shetland
35	Western Isles
36	Orkney
37	Caithness
38	Sutherland
39	Ross
54	Isle of Man

The two Icelandic province are optional, to give the kingdom some more substance

 

[jordarkelf]

Nice idea.
I'm considering adding some more, to split up the huge kingdoms like BOLG and RUSS, but nothing definitive yet.

 

[Drachenfire]

Possible additional Balkins Crusader Kingdoms


Crusader States

Kingdom of Thessalonica

These duchies/Principalities I included in an artificial Kingdom of the Hellens, which is not created in any scenario but a potential kingdom:


Duchy of Achea

Duchy of Athens

Duchy of Naxos


Though sometimes I leave the duchy of Naxos untaged to any kingdom, as a possible duchy to bolster Thessalonica or the Kingdom of the Hellens, or conversly, Byzantium. When I do this, I untag Create and Cyprus from any one kingdom too.

 

[jordarkelf]

By the way, if anyone wants the nonsense scenario shown in the screenshot, drop me a line. It contains a whopping 49 countries and equal number of characters, all Christians.

 

[DarkReborn]

One of the Kingdoms that you must add is Spain, I mean, when you have Aragon, Castille and Portugal, you should be able to create Spain, no?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

One of the Kingdoms that you must add is Spain, I mean, when you have Aragon, Castille and Portugal, you should be able to create Spain, no?

That is not possible in CK, each province can only belong to 1 kingdom. So it is either Aragon, Castille, Leon, Andalucia, Navarra and Portugal or Spain. You can't have both.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

I think Andaluscia should also include part of southern portugal. This imo makes things a lot better all around by:

• Making portugal easier to recreate if it is destroyed
• Making Analuscia harder to create
• Brings portugal more in-line with the other historical kingdoms in this scenerio, which are easier to create.

Since pledging doesn't work in DV like it did in CK kingdom formation doesn't have as much impact on who will pledge loyalty and who will break free either.

 

[jordarkelf]

Deus Vult has become so unstable on my system (even with all mods removed) that I can hardly play 6 months before a CtD happens. I am putting this mod on hold until we get a patch, or I get my patience for it back.

 

[Pellucid]

The zip file extracts the COAs to the wrong folder. It currently extracts them to Crusader Kings\gfx but it needs to extract to Crusader Kings\gfx\coa

 

[jordarkelf]

Thanks. Will fix.

 

[Drachenfire]

A point of consideration: Possibly retaging duchy of Berry to France rather then Aquitainia. This would strenghten France vs a possible Aquatainia.

Also; does not the Crusader States in Greece not interest you? If It does not, and I wished to further edit your scenario to include them, what kingdom tags to you recommend I use... that you would not use until the very end so as not to conflict with any of your own updates.

 

[jordarkelf]

I don't plan to use U002 - U010 in the foreseeable future (U000 and U001 are used in Grell's mod for Knights of Santiago and the Livonian Order, and I number my stuff backwards from U018).
It's not that the crusader states don't interest me, but I can't even play DV at the moment -- it CtDs every four months at least. If I forget to save every month I lose so much gameplay I give up in disgust. Until I get a playable version of DV I don't plan too many updates except minor revisions -- I had already implemented the Isles, so when I needed to update the ZIP for the CoAs I put it in as well.

One thing in the planning is the following:
Byzantium: will become unrecreatable. Lands will be redistributed as following:
-Kingdom of Greece: the European part of Byzantium + the isles except for Cyprus
-Kingdom of Asia Minor: the Asian part of Byzantium
-Cyprus will go to Jerusalem
-Crimea to Bulgar

Other things under consideration are:
Wallachia/Moldavia "none" areas: Kingdom of Romania
The part of RUSSia under LITHuania: Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria

 

[unmerged(2456)]

Hmm...have you tried the beta update?

 

[jordarkelf]

The beta is a little more stable, so it crashes only every 5-10 minutes, not every minute.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

have you considered a fresh reinstall?

 

[unmerged(14507)]

jordarkelf, how do your mods interact with
the EU converter? Are they compatible?

 

[jordarkelf]

The default EU2 converter? I don't recommend using it. It isn't updated for DV, and on top of that I reuse a lot of vacant tags. Converting a game /will/ lead to weird results.
You'll have to use a customizable converter. If you check yvesp's EU3 converter thread, I have posted an updated data file there for DVIP conversion -- it should work for this mod as well. Otherwise add a few entries yourself.

 

[unmerged(14507)]

Thanks. Heh, I figured DV would have
had that feature updated.