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Originally posted by celedhring
The problem with the whole culture system is that

a) Doesn't allow for the presence of minorities, so you're either full XXXX or full YYYY.

b) Isn't dynamic, unless changed it via events.

So we have to work within this limitations. For example. the southern provinces in Spain didn't have an arabic majority, but Paradox thought its presence was strong enough to warrant giving those culture to the provinces, for gameplay's sake. And for example, there was that Magyar zone isolated in the easternmost part of Transylvania (Szekels or something like tat) that can't be represented because the province is either full Romanian or full Magyar.

Anyway, I'll investigate your claims, Hungarian friends, the data I have from the pre-turk era is quite fuzzy, you know.

(and I understand you position, every complain about cultures is often seen as nationalistic manipulation here :()

I absolutely agree with your 2 observations concerning the cultural settings. You mentioned the example of Spain. I think it is the best example for "our side" who wants corrections. Paradox had to accept due to the above mentioned limitations that in some southern Spanish provinces the arab settings are unreal and unhistoric, although the arab minority presence is not questioned. That is why we inisit on the Hungarian culture which I think is at least as much reasonabel and historcally correct as the Spanish one.
 
Have everybody forgotten Czech Kingdom or it is in the another thread?
 
originally posted by Pithorr
Have everybody forgotten Czech Kingdom or it is in the another thread?

It should be in this thread of course, however having looked at Jools original groupings, there is a HRE in the western-EU thread, so it might be there after all. But no question the Czech Kingdom should belongs to this thread. EMIR????


Cheriooo:D :D
 
To our hungarian friends. Perhaps an easier way for dealing with your cultural problems would be to add another culture to the list of Hungary national cultures. My knowledge of Hungarian history is obviously limited, by I think that Hungarian reign or at least influence in Slovakia has been quite a long story by the time the games starts. So perhaps adding Slovak culture would be justified.
 
originally posted by Jan Zamojsky
So perhaps adding Slovak culture would be justified.

Yup, that is a solution I could live with, still Pressburg should be Magyar culture, as it was predominantly populated by Hungarians at that time, no wonder it became the Hungarian capital between 1541-1848. But Slovak culture in Carpathia is justified, no problem with that, and You are right Slovak should be Hungarian State culture too.


Cheriooo:D :D
 
Originally posted by zsolo


Emir, could you also provide us the cultures of the individual provinces as well? Only then can we start our correction work.

I still havent got my game (I'm deliberately waiting for scandinavian release, that way I will be able to do my exams instead of playing eu2 hehehe :) ), but friend of mine got his so I can ask him to do this. It's probably going to take 1 or 2 days....
 
Back to the time of Troubles once more. I have placed the first event (not in the event language tho) at this page: http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=341835#post341835. rock bottom of that page :). Read it and tell me what you think beside i'll try to do an event tree right here:

Time of Troubles (Russia)
1st event: Time of Troubles
Either: Support the boyars <-> Support the Czar
If you chose the Boyars: Arrival of Dymitr I;
IF you capure Moscow then: Usurpers End (choose either Boyar regency or Czar Dymitr I)
If Czar Dymitr I: Dethronize the Tyrant (Civil war again):)
If Poland Intevenes 1st time: Czar Dymitr II (accept <-> not accept)
If accepted: Swedish Help (Ask for help <-> Don't ask for help, free solidiers "Enthusiasm for the army" event, BUT Sweden has to accept)
IF Poland Intevenes 2nd time: Catholic Czar? (accept Wladyslaw <-> Not accept)
In 1613: The Ascent of the Romanov (accept Mikhail <-> remain with wladyslaw or regency)

Time of Troubles (Poland)
1st event: 1st Intervention (Dymitr II Samozwaniec) Intervene <-> or not
If intevention succesful (Moscow falls): Throne Dymitr (forced peace) <->OForced Peace only<-> Continue the war

Any suggestions?
2nd Intervention (Dymitr had to be overthrown): Interven <-> or not
If intevention succesful (Moscow falls): Throne Wladyslaw <-> Continue the war (Wladyslaw has to be accepted :)) if not war continues)
If Wladyslaw overthrown: Declare war again :) <-> or not

Time of troubles (SwedeN)
If russia aks for hel: Issue it (some penalties to manpower and cash, improves relations) <-> Don't issue it
 
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Originally posted by von Morris
emir,what do you mean by "we try to focus on some topics and create events"?
but i am discussing events about central europe?

you started talking about cb and about hungary-croatia relations. I am just trying to avoid "war" between you and attila :) i know that you two already had heated discussion in another thread.

primary goal for this forum is creations of events (and discussion about these events) and not discussion on what cb's countries should have at the start of the game. i understand that you might have complaints on what cb's croatia have or what relations it has with its neighbours but this is not right thread for that but continue suggesting events for croatia :)
 
Originally posted by emir

primary goal for this forum is creations of events (and discussion about these events) and not discussion on what cb's countries should have at the start of the game. i understand that you might have complaints on what cb's croatia have or what relations it has with its neighbours but this is not right thread for that but continue suggesting events for croatia :)

Actually, the forum is about scenario and events modifications, not just events ;)

However - the forum is mainly focused on the technical bit. The discussion about cultures/religions/CB-shields in the different excisting scenarios is NOT a topic here.

I will allow some discussions of the topic when the info. is needed for deciding on the events, and creation of new scenarios, but will watch them carefully... ;)
 
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Originally posted by Havard

However - the forum is mainly focused on the technical bit. The discussion about cultures/religions/CB-shields in the different excisting scenarios is NOT a topic here.
Where this discussion belong to?
 
Originally posted by Maur13

Where this discussion belong to?

any other thread than this :D

Seriously, I'm not right person to answer this but if there is some huge obvious mistake you have found, you could post it in bug forum.

If it is more discussion on cb's and relations eu2 forum would probably be the right place to start thread.
 
Ok, here comes little bit of stats from this thread:

Currently we have 10 different event proposed.

Poland: 8
Ottomans: 1
Ragusa: 1

Some of these events include counter events (like mine for ragusa)
which i havent counted.

I'm currently working on an event for Bosnia and i believe that we are going to get few events proposals on hungary and croatia from other ppl on this thread.
 
Originally posted by zsolo


Emir, could you also provide us the cultures of the individual provinces as well? Only then can we start our correction work.

I'm not Emir by here is some of that info (I excluded Polish and Lithuanian provinces as I haven't heard complaints about their cultures - except older discussion about Gdansk)

Hungary - Magyar, Maros, Pest - Magyar; Carpathia, Pressburg - Slovak; Banat, Krain - Slavonic; Ruthenia - Ruthenian (surprisingly :D ); Odenburg - German.

Bohemia - Bohemia, Sudeten - Czech; Moravia - Slovak; Silesia, Erz - German

Croatia - Croatia - Slavonic

Bosnia - Bosnia - Slavonic

Serbia - Serbia, Kosovo - Slavonic

Albania - Albania - Albanian

Ragusa - Ragusa - Slavonic

Transylvania - Transylvania - Romanian

Wallachia - Wallachia - Romanian

Moldova - Moldova, Bujak - Romanian


That's it for now.
 
Originally posted by zsolo


Emir, could you also provide us the cultures of the individual provinces as well? Only then can we start our correction work.

I got culture for following provinces in "our" area:


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Greek: Macedonia, Hellas, Ionia, Corfu, Morea, Thrace (some of these can be changed due to Ottoman events)

Albanian: Albania

Slavonic: Bulgaria, Rumelia, Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Ragusa & Krain

Romanian: Moldavia, Wallachia, Transylvania, Bujak, Dobrudja

Italian: Istria

German: Steirmark, Austria, Odenburg, Danzig

Slovak: Pressburg, Carpathia, Moravia

Ruthenia: Ruthenian, Galizien, Podolia

Magyar: Pest, Magyar, Maros

Polish: Krakow, Podlasia, VielkoPolska, Poznan, Mazovia

Czech: Sudeten, Bohemia

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As always there might be errors (and there are probably due to friend of mine first copying these from the game into his email and then me copying and pasting it from his email)

Also if you dont like these, dont complain here but on another thread. I'm posting these as help for people who still havent recieved their game but want to help with making events.
 
Heh! that's coincidence :) And by the way, while checking for the province data I noticed interesting thing with regard to Hungary's diplomatic relations in 1419. It starts with cassus belli against Siebenburgen and Wallachia and at the same time has very good (+150) diplo relations with these 2 countries. Looks a bit strange to me. (having said so poland starts with neutral (0) relations with Prussia - but maybe that's because Prussia a vassal).
 
Originally posted by Jan Zamojski


I'm not Emir by here is some of that info (I excluded Polish and Lithuanian provinces as I haven't heard complaints about their cultures - except older discussion about Gdansk)

Missed my post? It's full of complaints about those issues:cool:
 
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