Effects of Excommunication?

[th3freakie]

Regular old DoApulia starting game, with DVIP, my sons were the the bastard, the hunchback and the other one. The law says the strongest one gets to inherit, and I decided mr. hunchback would be it.

Refused all calls for the bastard to enter the succession law, even at a considerable prestige price. When Hunchback kid came of age, I declared the KoS and granted him his own dukedom. Mr Bastard and Mr Young one were kept in my court.

Then the King dies and Mr Young inherits.

I checked again and it seems Mr. Hunchback got himself excommunicated. I'm guessing that has the same effects as being a bastard?

edit: 4k posts! Hurray me!

 

[TempestDK]

Regular old DoApulia starting game, with DVIP, my sons were the the bastard, the hunchback and the other one. The law says the strongest one gets to inherit, and I decided mr. hunchback would be it.

Refused all calls for the bastard to enter the succession law, even at a considerable prestige price. When Hunchback kid came of age, I declared the KoS and granted him his own dukedom. Mr Bastard and Mr Young one were kept in my court.

Then the King dies and Mr Young inherits.

I checked again and it seems Mr. Hunchback got himself excommunicated. I'm guessing that has the same effects as being a bastard?

edit: 4k posts! Hurray me!

yup ... ex-commed people cannot inherit. I am not sure if this is also true in Elective Law, where the bastard can inherit.

 

[unmerged(133776)]

I checked again and it seems Mr. Hunchback got himself excommunicated. I'm guessing that has the same effects as being a bastard?

It's not the same as having the Bastard trait, it's worse. A Bastard could inherit under Elective Law, Excommunicate removes that individual from all the inheritance choices, plus HIS vassals will now take a hit in their loyalty to him, his Courtiers will take a hit and lastly - everyone and their dog rushes out and gets a cheap claim on his titles.

Excommunicating someone to remove them from the inheritance line is a popular past-time for me when I'm the PC. It can really play havoc with an enemy Realm's future. I also will do it when a vassal of mine get's too strong, if he's got a really good Heir ruling somewhere, or might inherit even more land.

Edit: Darn it, Ninja'd by TempestDK. Once again, my habit of saying too much goes against me.

 

[enf91]

What do you mean you "declared" him king? Isn't there a succession line that has to be followed?

 

[unmerged(133776)]

What do you mean you "declared" him king? Isn't there a succession line that has to be followed?

I'm guessing you're referring to what the OP said here.

Regular old DoApulia starting game, with DVIP, my sons were the the bastard, the hunchback and the other one. The law says the strongest one gets to inherit, and I decided mr. hunchback would be it.

Refused all calls for the bastard to enter the succession law, even at a considerable prestige price. When Hunchback kid came of age, I declared the KoS and granted him his own dukedom. Mr Bastard and Mr Young one were kept in my court.

He started as the Duke of Apulia. When it came time to line up an Heir who was the strongest, he had enough titles to make himself King of Sicily (KoS), then he chose the one son to be a Duke, which made him the strongest and therefor the Heir.

There was no reason he HAD to become a King in order to line up the strongest Heir, he could have remained a Duke and just gave his son enough Count titles to fulfill the requirement (and still had the son as a vassal).

 

[th3freakie]

There was no reason he HAD to become a King in order to line up the strongest Heir, he could have remained a Duke and just gave his son enough Count titles to fulfill the requirement (and still had the son as a vassal).

True that. I just did it for the Grandiose Moment in Our Realm's History effect.

 

[Wulfram]

IIRC, one other diferrence between excommunication and bastard is that an excommunicated persons children can still inherit through him.

 

[cosmeIII]

Reminds me of my Nassau game, got excommunicated for declaring independence against a papal controller that is ruler of Germany.
Lost all my court members, my daughters fled to some other places, my wife left me and my son wanted to go away, he didn't because he was the successor, it was like hell on Earth, then everything started to go back to normal when my guy died.