Event Suggestion "Firing a Kings Guard"

[Manaloth]

So, during one of my games, I was playing as Aegon the Conqueror from the first bookmark you can pick. You know, his conquest, and this happened. This happened in the latest build mind you

So, I was a 61 year old Aegon the Conqueror (Clarifying b/c I've gotten a couple other nick names playing him) and I got wounded in a republic invasion. Now two months later, I was invited to participate in a tourny, which I agreed (I ironically already knew while I accepted), and during the tourny, while I was still injured, I was killed during it.

Now, if it was a normal lord or knight, I wouldn't have been bothered by this, but it was the Commander of the King's Guard who killed me on the field. So, my first thought was that I want to imprison this guy for breaking his oath and killing his king, but I can't do that without getting in trouble. But I also, after imprisoning him, wanted to fire him from the King's Guard, so I figured I'd come here and see if I could possibly see if that makes it into the game.

It's kind of, anti intuitive to have someone break their vow to protect someone then kill them without being punished, or at least fired and would add some nice flavour to the game.

I know you're busy, so keep what you have planned going, just something to think about.

 

[ramblymanguthri]

Gonna quote this from another thread, it's from a related situation:

You can punish vassals who don't help you if you like, but as you say you will incur tyranny. This is how it should be. For example Robb was completely justified in punishing Rickard Karstark, yet for all intents and purposes he incurred tyranny points for doing it.

Punishing a knight of the kingsguard because he, without intention, happened to kill his king during a tournament, a game of war, is not something that should go without causing resentment among your vassals. Jousting is a potentially deadly game based directly on actual fighting. The chance of an accident happening is not miniscule and everyone who participates knows it. To imprison or punished for an accident in those circumstances would be tyrannical and thus give Tyranny points.

On the other hand I do agree that there should be an option to fire kingsguards, like Barristan was fired by Joffrey. And maybe there should be an event for a kingsguard or bodyguard who happen to cause the death of their liege where they become "disgraced" or something similar. And maybe there should be an event where you can try to threaten people of your court to take a dive if your happen to meet them in tournaments, if you've got the right traits.

 

[Manaloth]

I believe the latter already exists if you have enough intrigue or stewardship (I forget which) but that's what I think would be neat. Not exactly arresting him, (Though the option would be nice), but being able to be like, "You killed my father, the king. I do not require your services (Insert kings guard member here)

 

[imperium3]

Can you not send him to the Wall? That would seem like a pretty appropriate response.

There is a historical precedent for this situation: Henri II of France who was accidentally killed in a tournament by the captain of his Scots Guards. Even though Henri absolved the captain of any blame upon his deathbed, he was disgraced, resigned his position and returned to his estates.

 

[Azarias59]

You should be able to do so, but get tyranny for it.

 

[Specialist290]

Building off of some other ideas in the thread: I think it would be nice if we had a bit more "collateral damage" from mishaps at tournaments, like relatives of the dead participants getting the option (dependent on their personalities) starting rivalries with the killers, or a knight who inflicts a grievous wound on an opponent making an effort to atone for it that blossoms into a friendship between the two (like Willas Tyrell and Oberyn Martell in the books). I also wouldn't be opposed to an option to unilaterally fire a Kingsguard, though only under certain circumstances (the King having certain negative traits, or the KG getting caught and convicted of a crime).

 

[Manaloth]

Can you not send him to the Wall? That would seem like a pretty appropriate response.

There is a historical precedent for this situation: Henri II of France who was accidentally killed in a tournament by the captain of his Scots Guards. Even though Henri absolved the captain of any blame upon his deathbed, he was disgraced, resigned his position and returned to his estates.

Well, I could have arrested and exiled him, but it would have been a tyrannical act that I wouldn't survive. My Targarean run is starting to get harder now that I'm in generation 6

 

[TheArrogantOne]

Speaking of tyranny from exiling, you should be able to exile the guys you defeated without incurring tyranny, 'nuff said.

 

[MorgannaZio]

Forget about exiling or imprisoning. You should be able to fire the person, bottom line.

There is no reason whatsoever to not have the ability to remove a Kingsguard from his position as king.

 

[ramblymanguthri]

Barristan Selmy disagrees!