"every time a targaryen is born the gods flip a coin" event for Lannisters??

[yannou94]

Hey , I've played a few games with the Targaryen dynasty on the iron throne and it seems to suffer less from inbreeding (brothers and sisters , or first cousins) than the other characters of the grat houses (starks, Lannister and so on...) maybe it's from the event "every time a targaryen is born the gods flip a coin" that occur for the targaryen characters at the age of 4 or 5.


Would it be possible to add that kind of event for the Lannisters (with the Tywin marrying her cousin and Jaime and Cersei ...well you know...^^ maybe starting by something like this :"After 300 years of Targaryen rule over Westeros the great house Lannister seems to adopt their ways about marriage in plain light or in hidden shadows..." with a pic of cersei Tommen Myrcella Jaime and Tywin above the text. And with the same bonusses or malusses (genious quick or mad paranoid...)

What do you think??(forgive a french guy for his english^^)

 

[Azaghal1502]

In my oppinion this would make no sense.
Cersei-Jaime-Twincest is completeley hidden and they would never make it public, because it would mean their children lose every claim on the throne they have. Maybe even Tywin would desinherit this Line of his dynasty because of his caring for his legacy. The marriage between Tywin and Joana is nothing special in westerosi (or real) history, it was quite normal to marry relatively close kin to hold the family wealth together.

Also this is not to compare with Targaryen / valyrian incest, because for valyrians it was tradition, and many were not really happy with banging their siblings. (The mad King and his wife for example)
The Lannister twins are just strangely in love, or mistake their twin-bond as love.

Greetings

 

[raistlin_wizard]

In my oppinion this would make no sense.
Cersei-Jaime-Twincest is completeley hidden and they would never make it public, because it would mean their children lose every claim on the throne they have. Maybe even Tywin would desinherit this Line of his dynasty because of his caring for his legacy. The marriage between Tywin and Joana is nothing special in westerosi (or real) history, it was quite normal to marry relatively close kin to hold the family wealth together.

Also this is not to compare with Targaryen / valyrian incest, because for valyrians it was tradition, and many were not really happy with banging their siblings. (The mad King and his wife for example)
The Lannister twins are just strangely in love, or mistake their twin-bond as love.

Greetings

I completely agree with this. Incest is not tolerated outside Targaryens. Just one thing, I think it should be allowed to Velaryons.

 

[Azaghal1502]

you can modify their dynasty u at common/dynasties/valyrian.txt by adding divine_blood=yes

52 = {
name="Velaryon"
culture =high_valyrian
divine_blood=yes
coat_of_arms = {
template = 0
layer = {
texture = 10
texture_internal = 31
emblem = 0
color = 0
color = 0
color = 0
}
}
}

 

[D Toccs]

The Tywin\Joanna marriage was nothing unusual, Ned Starks' s parents were cousins.

 

[Azaghal1502]

Yeah, even if Rickard and Lyarra Stark were a bit more distant cousins

Greetings

 

[Rubidium]

Yeah, even if Rickard and Lyarra Stark were a bit more distant cousins

Greetings

On the other hand, one of the Stark marriages (although a collateral branch, not in Ned's ancestry) in the World book was uncle-niece

 

[Azaghal1502]

Even this was pretty normal in noble circles of medieval europe^^

 

[StijnVeb13]

Even this was pretty normal in noble circles of medieval europe^^

Jep, but not as normal as it is for the Targaryens. I don't think the should add this event for the Lannisters, because it's a Targaryen thing and they have generations of incest, while the Lannisters only have one or two generations of (hidden) incest.

 

[Orinsul]

I completely agree with this. Incest is not tolerated outside Targaryens. Just one thing, I think it should be allowed to Velaryons.

I generally add divine blood in for the big valyrian families and all the targ cadets (As I generally use all of them)

As for the event not the incest, maybe non targs and non HVs who have Targ parents or grandparents should get the coin toss too? as they'd inherit the madness genes even if they didnt the coat of arms.
At the very least non-HV targ bastards should get it.

It's not about just incest though, the Codds for example, are all about the incest, but it doesn't cause each born a good chance at being a genius or a mad man, it just makes them weird and gross. The coin flip should be about having as much blood of the dragon as possible, not just how closely related your folks were.
Velaryons with the descended flag from the Dance of Dragon scenario maybe could get it though?

 

[Specialist290]

Honestly, I personally think that the "coin flip" events are a little exaggerated even for the Targs, especially given that the Divine Blood mechanics already tend to create a lot of Lunatics even without its intervention. I'd much prefer it not to be a visible event (except for a small chance of assigning a child to be Quick, Attractive, or Genius if they don't already have a congenital trait of their own) and instead make it a passive flag that makes the appropriate virtue and vice traits more or less likely to appear during education.

 

[Orinsul]

Honestly, I personally think that the "coin flip" events are a little exaggerated even for the Targs, especially given that the Divine Blood mechanics already tend to create a lot of Lunatics even without its intervention. I'd much prefer it not to be a visible event (except for a small chance of assigning a child to be Quick, Attractive, or Genius if they don't already have a congenital trait of their own) and instead make it a passive flag that makes the appropriate virtue and vice traits more or less likely to appear during education.

Doesn't divine blood not negate the chance of inbreeding traits when it's assigned to a dynasty?

 

[Specialist290]

Doesn't divine blood not negate the chance of inbreeding traits when it's assigned to a dynasty?

It reduces the chances of Inbred appearing, but to compensate it increases the chances of Lunatic appearing at birth.