Gent was part of the HRE in 1066. As long as this is the case it cannot be a vassal of the Duke of Flanders because that would make it part of France.
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Spruce said:was is holding us to give it independent status, as it was in practice
If a province has ruler then it is playable and will do its own thing, however by tieing it to liege it pays scrutage to the province's liege and the liege can raise troops from the province (at a price of diminised loyalty). So if make Imperial Flanders being ruled by a member of the same family but tied to the Duchy of Lower Lorriane. Then we get the historical situation and their is a chance that one branch of the family will inherit the lot.
We have a number of problems here. First is Flanders cannot be a Kingdom. The Kingdoms in the game (at current patch who knows what the future might bring) are hardcoded, and Flanders is nto one of them. Secondly Flanders cannot have vassals from both Kingdoms. Either Flanders is part of France and all it's vassasls are, two Flanders is part of Germany and all it's vassals are, or Flanders is a vassal of niether and so too are all it's vassals. Three by setting up Flanders as not part of it's lieges royal demise then it is independant, it can wages it's own wars, gain it's own inheritances, even wage war on its liege. So we can give you all you want and still have the historical France HRE boundary (i.e. through the low countries) by having Flanders with it's own Duke. as part of France, and have Imperial Flanders being held by the same Famaly. The CK system cannot model the complexities of someone holding some provinces form one liege and others from an other. The Flemish Dukes may well of been very independant but they still did acknowledge nominal athority from one throne or the other.
Spruce said:
Exactly. There is a powerful Duchy in Northern France (including vassals roughly 5 provinces). Then there are a collection of Imperial provinces that members of the family also hold.
Now we are getting a head of ourselves here. We already have perfectly good counts in Gent (the Counts of Aalst who where not absorbed by Flanders till 1166). In addition we also have the counts of Holland who did hold sections of Zeeland as well. Zeeland is a bloody big province.
Well as I see it Robert should have half of Zeeland and half of Gent. The answer for me is to him all of Zeeland