Game about ancient China

[chatnoir17]

How many gaming studios have actually put effort into making a serious Chinese strategy games with a Chinese language version?

It already proves the inefficiency of cost and performance.

Part of doing such a game would be for laying the legwork for future Paradox games to support Chinese language and also for developing mindshare of Paradox in China.

They should start to make their games compatible with 2 byte characters at first, before developing a game about Chinese history. This compatibility is also helpful for other non-alphabetical languages such as Korean or Japanese.

 

[Will Steel]

Chinese language compatibility will eventually result in Japanese and Korean translations. This would help the sales even if only slightly.

 

[icedt729]

To be honest though, how many East Asians would want to play games that are as Eurocentric as PDS's? I get that there would be a niche for it, but I feel like typical Chinese, Korean or Japanese consumers would rather play something that's more focused on their region. PDS's handling of the ROTW has gotten progressively better over time but they still prioritize western Europe's balance over everyone else's.

 

[chatnoir17]

To be honest though, how many East Asians would want to play games that are as Eurocentric as PDS's? I get that there would be a niche for it, but I feel like typical Chinese, Korean or Japanese consumers would rather play something that's more focused on their region. PDS's handling of the ROTW has gotten progressively better over time but they still prioritize western Europe's balance over everyone else's.

I am not sure about China or Korea, but we don't actually need more Japan focused games by western countries. That's the task of Japanese gaming studios IMO, since they can access more sources.
There are many oddness about the Japanese or Asian parts, but they are mainly based on the lack of knowledge and research, so mostly fixable. PDS's games are still unique in the game design.

As for the general interest of the world history or games about it in Japan, it is still high, at least unless Japan is totally removed from the context.

 

[Baalshazar]

Would love more East Asian stuff, would it sale as a separate game? Probably not, or moreso could they do it well enough before it becomes too much of a drain like Runemaster or East vs. West.

 

[Darkath]

They should start to make their games compatible with 2 byte characters at first, before developing a game about Chinese history. This compatibility is also helpful for other non-alphabetical languages such as Korean or Japanese.

I found screenshots of an unofficial chinese translation ... are they fake ?

 

[icedt729]

Seems legit, the transliterations are even pretty decent. Where'd you find those screens?

 

[Darkath]

On an illegal chinese website (which is kinda a pleonasm) so i wont post links ^.^

 

[Will Steel]

They do look decent though. Someone on these forum could launch an unofficial Chinese and translation localization project with a better font (Chinese calligraphy style) and that would surely attract the Chinese market.

 

[chatnoir17]

I found screenshots of an unofficial chinese translation ... are they fake ?

They have changed .exe and distributed it illegally. The topic about piracy isn't allowed here.

 

[Wudadi]

I found screenshots of an unofficial chinese translation ... are they fake ?

Seems legit, the transliterations are even pretty decent. Where'd you find those screens?

They do look decent though. Someone on these forum could launch an unofficial Chinese and translation localization project with a better font (Chinese calligraphy style) and that would surely attract the Chinese market.

1. 52 pc game or Baidu Tieba is a legal website.
It‘s not a big news........This like a common sense........
All the games which do not have official chinese version have chinese translation version after 1980 (people can tape Chinese in the computer ).
There are many chinese translation teams in China. such as 3DMGAME website the most popluar game website in the world.
e.g. the newest CK2 chinese translation is patch 2.03, and the newest EU4 chinese translation is patch 1.11.4
As I remember EU4,CK2....Total War..... have Korean translation on steam workshop. Alao you can find Japanese translation in CK2.
Nearly 99% chinese players play chinese translation version of PDS games. Nearly 99.99% Chinese moders using chinese translation version create mods. (so, many greatest Asian history mods just have chinese version )

2. PDS games are not very popular in China.
To be honest, a few peolpe play PDS games in China, because PDS games are "small“ games comparing other company's games.
Most chinese players even know Total War and Mount&Blade, but do not know PDS. However, recently, there are some peolpe start to pay attention PDS games(Because CK2 and EU4, steam platform get more and more popular after 2007 (EU3))
Reason
1) Most Chinese players like RPG, ARPG, MOBA, ACT, FPS, RTS..... games. History Strategy Game? not popluar in China, also not popluar in the world, Cause most people don't like history.
2) There are many historic mistake in Asia part. e.g Ming in EU4.... that's why chinese players like play chinese mods in EU4.
3) Most chinese play chinese online game, a few people play console game.

3. Don't worry about chinese games, many gretest chinese online games are created after 2002.
A greatest Chinese Console game company : the Object game company.
the Object game company get many awards in E3
popular games
1) Metal Knight (1998) (RTS)
2) Fate of the Dragon (2000) (RTS) IGN: 8
3) Fate of the Dragon Battle of Red Cliffs (2001) (RTS)
4) Prince of Qin (2002) (ARPG) IGN: 6.4
5) In the end, the Object game company transform to online game company.
After 2002, online game more and more popular in China, there are 99% chinese Console game companies transform to online game companies.
Because all of Chinese Console game companies can't earn money (in that time, many game makers do not know DLCs strategy ) . But the online game can earn money quickly.
Therefore, the online game let Tencent company(QQ, WeChat...) become an internet Empire in China.
When Fate of the Dragon Throne 2 project died in 2002 http://games.gamepressure.com/game_info.asp?ID=2746,http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/AQhC4GUCL2o the best history strategy PC game died in China..... the Object game company transform to online game company...................Single player PC game lost the battle against online game in China in 2002.........

4. Right now, Most Console games = Online game + a few single parts.
e.g. Call of Duty is a Console game, But most people just play online part.
If Call of Duty game team is chinese game team, Call of Duty will become online game for sure, and every guns in the game will need real money to pay..........
Beautiful Chinese online game : Moonlight Blade (RPG), King of Wushu (Snail Games--MOBA)...........
Recently, some Chinese Console game start to recover like this game (ACT)..............

 

[Wudadi]

Good News : RoTK 13 (12/10/2015)----Same as RoTK 7, 8, 10 ! RoTK 13 is RPG !!!

Spoiler: Pictures

Spoiler: Video

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/sangokushi13/

 

[icedt729]

Want. I loved ROTKX.

 

[Darkath]

Seems like the gameplay and engine will be similar to Nobunaga 14 + PUK (which is coming on PC and in english in september btw )

 

[fleetothemoon]

1. 52 pc game or Baidu Tieba is a legal website.
It‘s not a big news........This like a common sense........
All the games which do not have official chinese version have chinese translation version after 1980 (people can tape Chinese in the computer ).
There are many chinese translation teams in China. such as 3DMGAME website the most popluar game website in the world.
e.g. the newest CK2 chinese translation is patch 2.03, and the newest EU4 chinese translation is patch 1.11.4
As I remember EU4,CK2....Total War..... have Korean translation on steam workshop. Alao you can find Japanese translation in CK2.
Nearly 99% chinese players play chinese translation version of PDS games. Nearly 99.99% Chinese moders using chinese translation version create mods. (so, many greatest Asian history mods just have chinese version )

3DM's popularity lies with its tendency to crack and distribute pirated versions of all games... not in its prowess for translating. Their speed in doing so has been ridiculous to the point that its English counterparts basically just copied theirs and said they did the work. The translation is just an additional factor started by translation groups since Chinese people don't want to play games they cannot read and many of the big titles are in English. Piracy teams like 3DM along with Chinese censorship is the main barrier to western games being sold commercially in China. Although, one can argue, as it is frequently is argued, is that the latter is fueled by the former. Those that do enter the market can still do pretty well though... thanks to China' humongous consumer population

2. PDS games are not very popular in China.
To be honest, a few peolpe play PDS games in China, because PDS games are "small“ games comparing other company's games.
Most chinese players even know Total War and Mount&Blade, but do not know PDS. However, recently, there are some peolpe start to pay attention PDS games(Because CK2 and EU4, steam platform get more and more popular after 2007 (EU3))
Reason
1) Most Chinese players like RPG, ARPG, MOBA, ACT, FPS, RTS..... games. History Strategy Game? not popluar in China, also not popluar in the world, Cause most people don't like history.
2) There are many historic mistake in Asia part. e.g Ming in EU4.... that's why chinese players like play chinese mods in EU4.
3) Most chinese play chinese online game, a few people play console game.

I think PDS games are just not very popular in general... it's started with a sort of niched market for history buffs and board game lovers. This begin to change since EU3, and dramatically again since CK2, but it is still far from reaching mainstream markets. It doesn't help, of course, that games like EU4 and TW series tends to emphasise on Europe rather than Asia. Chinese people born and bred in PRC are usually less familiar with the former and tends to know little of history beyond what takes place in China and its neighbours...

Actually, come to think of it, other than people in Europe, most average citizens probably wouldn't know much European history beyond European dealings with their country of origin... simply because history doesn't actually matter much in day-to-day living.

After 2002, online game more and more popular in China, there are 99% chinese Console game companies transform to online game companies.
Because all of Chinese Console game companies can't earn money (in that time, many game makers do not know DLCs strategy ) . But the online game can earn money quickly.
Therefore, the online game let Tencent company(QQ, WeChat...) become an internet Empire in China.
When Fate of the Dragon Throne 2 project died in 2002 http://games.gamepressure.com/game_info.asp?ID=2746,http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/AQhC4GUCL2o the best history strategy PC game died in China..... the Object game company transform to online game company...................Single player PC game lost the battle against online game in China in 2002.........

That's because you cannot pirate online-exclusive games. It just doesn't really work. Private servers will never be as reliable as public servers... and China is known notoriously for online piracy thanks to 3DM and the like. Also, some Chinese online games are known for questionable practices of monetizing every aspect of the game as much as they can get away with... and they can get away with a lot.

Good News : RoTK 13 (12/10/2015)----Same as RoTK 7, 8, 10 ! RoTK 13 is RPG !!!

RoTK12 was a buttload of disappointment and seems like a massive downgrade from RoTK11 in every way... But it's been so long since RoTK10 so maybe the RPG aspects of RoTK13 might just be what's needed.

 

[Wudadi]

3DM's popularity lies with its tendency to crack and distribute pirated versions of all games... not in its prowess for translating. Their speed in doing so has been ridiculous to the point that its English counterparts basically just copied theirs and said they did the work. The translation is just an additional factor started by translation groups since Chinese people don't want to play games they cannot read and many of the big titles are in English. Piracy teams like 3DM along with Chinese censorship is the main barrier to western games being sold commercially in China. Although, one can argue, as it is frequently is argued, is that the latter is fueled by the former. Those that do enter the market can still do pretty well though... thanks to China' humongous consumer population

Spoiler: can not say the secret

chatnoir 17 said : "The topic about piracy isn't allowed here."
Anyway, Some Chinese said : Most games do not have official chinese translation version, These game companies even don't pay attention to Chinese market, their game do not have official chinese translation version, Why let Chinese to buy legal copies ? First, these game companies don't respect chinese market because making official chinese translation version is not hard work. However, a lot of chinese buy GTA Series,The Witcher 3 and............... on steam. Because these game have official chinese translation version, chinese respect these game companies and willing to pay money buy legal copies.

RoTK12 was a buttload of disappointment and seems like a massive downgrade from RoTK11 in every way... But it's been so long since RoTK10 so maybe the RPG aspects of RoTK13 might just be what's needed.

RoTK12 is a joke Web game. I like RoTK 9 and RoTK 10. From some RoTK13 news, I believe RoTK13 is a great game

 

[Baalshazar]

Thank you Koei for keeping ROTK. It truelly was one of my best games. Although I mostly played ROTK X and ROTK VII I hadn't got ROTK VIII until recently. Hopefully they sale it on Amazon.

 

[Will Steel]

Good heavens, I am so excited!

Thank you, Wudadi. Hopefully Koei can make it as good as the older games. Haven't played RoTK12 but didn't hear much good about it back when it came out.

 

[dehen]

To seperate a China game from PDS's other properties, I'd really like to see a game on two timescales. A fast timescale that can't pause for dynastic periods where the task is to prevent collapse, and a much more "zoomed in" timescale for interdynastic periods where you pause and plan every detail.

 

[Will Steel]

To seperate a China game from PDS's other properties, I'd really like to see a game on two timescales. A fast timescale that can't pause for dynastic periods where the task is to prevent collapse, and a much more "zoomed in" timescale for interdynastic periods where you pause and plan every detail.

You mean, like a campaign start date focusing on each dynasty, like CK2's Charlamagne and how it focuses in Carolingians if you play as them?