help with the combat/warfare model in CK

[gwgardner]

I've tried to play CK a few times since it came out years ago. Every time I've given up with the military aspect.

Playing as Count, if my liege calls up my forces for some campaign, there's no coordination in the movement and combat, for a given purpose. I have to figure out what the cause for the war is, then aim my forces off in that direction, totally without any interaction with the rest of my liege's forces. Similarly in a crusade, my Count seems like a loose cannon.

What am I missing?

 

[unmerged(158620)]

What am I missing?

Not sure how you're doing it, but what you should do is either 1. lower you army upkeep, say yes to raise troops for my liege and forget them. The king will control and pay for them and you can sit and watch.

Or, 2. declare war on the target and go for money in peace if you don't have a claim on the enemy. If you have a claim, grab land before you liege does.

everything is personal.

 

[gwgardner]

I didn't realize the liege would take control. That's obviously part of my problem, then.

I do remember in one game very cleverly deciding to declare war on some Muslims and conquering them, only to have my liege take everything away from me. Not so clever after all.

Thx for the advice.

 

[unmerged(158620)]

I do remember in one game very cleverly deciding to declare war on some Muslims and conquering them, only to have my liege take everything away from me. Not so clever after all.

Happens alot. As one wise man once said "it's good to be da king"

 

[xGhost4000x]

Wait what do you mean the king pays for them? In my experience when the king tells you to give your forces over. Then you still pay for them.

In fact me an a friend were playing multiplayer last week and the King of Scotland bankrupt my friend by launching a personal war against France.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Wait what do you mean the king pays for them? In my experience when the king tells you to give your forces over. Then you still pay for them.

In fact me an a friend were playing multiplayer last week and the King of Scotland bankrupt my friend by launching a personal war against France.

When you hand over your troops to your liege (so he is in control of them) set army-maintenance to zero, then your king will pay for them.

 

[xGhost4000x]

Ohhh I didn't think of that. That's ingenious. I'll have to advise my friend of that next time.

We're playing a multiplayer game as his first game ever. I'm Duke of Munster(Now King of Ireland) and he's the Duke of Moray(Trying to become King of Scotland) But I ddn't know how to help him when the King took his troops for a war.

Don't suppose you have any advice for our current predicament? That war the King took his troops on, the king conquered a region in France. We didn't realize so I encouraged him to revolt, he conquered all of the kings scottish lands before realizing the king still had one province in France, so he had to re-vassalize with the king as he could not hold those regions for long. How can we quicken the kings loss of that frenchi province as the only other way I can think to help him is to send a force all the way to the center of france to take that province, although I really really do not want it.

 

[Snaake]

Well if you don't want the French province, you don't have to take it. But you probably will have to go conquer it, if you want the Scottish King at your mercy.

I hope your friend has claims on the title of King of Scotland + any duchy titles in Scotland he may want that the king may be holding (although this can wait) + as much of the King of Scotlands Scottish demesne lands as he can. Then once you've conquered the king's whole demesne, he can demand them, and in a best-case scenario, the former King of Scotland is now an exiled count (or duke) in France.

 

[xGhost4000x]

hehe, he has a claim on the king of scotland (Duke of Moray starts with one)
As for duke and or count titles, my friend doent care about those, worst case scenario the former king becomes a duke in the kingdom of scotland.

 

[unmerged(7537)]

When you hand over your troops to your liege (so he is in control of them) set army-maintenance to zero, then your king will pay for them.

Are you sure? In my experience, it's always the vassal who pays for his troops.

 

[unmerged(133776)]

Are you sure? In my experience, it's always the vassal who pays for his troops.

Yes, this is correct. And the reason you see vassal's paying for troops that their Liege called up, is because they are unable to change the Troop Support Slider to 0.

 

[Pal]

Yes, this is correct. And the reason you see vassal's paying for troops that their Liege called up, is because they are unable to change the Troop Support Slider to 0.

You guys really should be more clear when answering posts... I could read this as "vassals can never change support slider"...

To clear things up:

When your liege commands you to raise your troops for him, do so. Just lower the troop maintenance to ZERO, so your troops don't incur any cost for you. It might be a bug in the game or a quite ill-designed feature, but those troops will not lose any strength despite not being paid. This only works if your liege controls your troops, though, not if you raise them yourself.

AI vassals will not lower the troop maintenance, so they will always pay for their troops. But the AI cannot go into debt, so it won't bankrupt those vassals, as opposed to a human player.