How do I get the natives to join me in India?

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How can I colonize the provinces on the sub continent of India and have the native population join me after turning to a level 7 colony. I can do it successfully on the North American continent, but not in India, which has those large 10,000-12,000 native populations. When I enter with my soldiers, I'll fight one small battle, win it, and then the natives are all gone, completely gone, none, nada, zip are left to join me! In North America after a similar fight, the natives are reduced in number, but they are still there to join my colony at level 7 - of course unless - I choose to 'wipe them out'. I tried colonizing without soldiers, so that the natives are not killed by my soldiers, but after the colony got up to a level 5 without any protection, the natives wiped it out completely, now I have to start over from zero. What am I doing wrong?

 

[BiB]

They are just way more agressive than in North America there.

If u send in an army in a province and there's a fight with natives, there is a chance u eliminate them all alreday then. In that case, well, they are gone. If a few remain, they will gradually grow back to their initial number.

Same system goes for North America as India or whatever.

 

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Sorry BiB, I don't buy your answer.

First the native aggression levels in the provinces in India that I'm trying to colonize are only medium. I can do better in North America with the very highly aggressive natives. Second, these are big populations in India, how could I wipe out every last one of them, in one relatively small battle. What, did they all just move away, in a week? Also illness bought to them by the Europeans, to my knowledge, didn't destroy their entire culture in short order, as was the case for many native tribes in North America.

In India the native populations should be joining the cities, however, as I posted in a separate thread, it is wrong for the game to allow American natives north of Mexico to join the cities, because historically they didn't. They lived separately from the European settlements for the most part and still do, many continue to this day to live separately on their own reservations.

 

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Sorry BiB, I don't buy your answer.

Never the same he's right.

First the native aggression levels in the provinces in India that I'm trying to colonize are only medium. I can do better in North America with the very highly aggressive natives.

There is also a native Ferocity value, not visable in the game. In India that value goes through the roof, ie they will fight every chance they get =)

Second, these are big populations in India, how could I wipe out every last one of them, in one relatively small battle.

You can't, just the people localy where you place the province capital. Countryside however is full of them, they just don't feel like moving to your city since your a repressive foreigner =)

 

[BiB]

Sold!

And thanx for the extra info by Huszics.

 

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Colonizing in India with the Natives joining can be done, but it is harder than in North America. To colonize Goa for example you should have a conquistador with about 5000 inf. If his movement rating is high enough there should be no battle. With a little luck this should yield in a big city. In general you should always fine tune your army strength in comparison to the native strength.

However, there might be a problem if your land tech is to high. If this is the case, you will generally either kill them all in the fire phase or loose your troops in the shock phase, where the natives for some reasons get a large advantage.

Peter Quebe

 

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Gentlemen, I stand corrected.

So, there is a hidden 'native Ferocity value' in the game, Oh!?! Well then, who else has this high hidden value? Who else is going to be difficult? Is this for all natives in Asia and the sub continent? Does this mean the developers want primarily trading posts and small cities on the sub continent of India? I'm curious to understand their historical thinking in this regard.

I guess this means trading posts are the order of the day in India, unless I can do what Peter Quebe stated above. Maybe this is the way it should be, because I can't recall that there were large migrations of English settlers to India, as in North America. But what about those teeming cities in India, like Bombay and Calcutta or did they come much later, after good sanitation was introduced?

Also for any history buffs reading this, who are knowledgeable about the colonization of India, I would appreciate some historical background on this issue. Did the natives in India join the European colonies in the beginning or were they absorbed later by the English after the time frame of the game?

 

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who else has this high hidden value?

Check your province.csv, it's all in there.

I'm curious to understand their historical thinking in this regard.

The thinking is, read up on how the populations reacted in different areas of the world in reality and try to mimict that in the game.

It probably would have been a good thing to show in game. OTOH the nations of the time didn't know either which naitives whould be a problem and which wouldn't.

 

[BiB]

Historically America was way more suited to population colonisation than Asia. The natives were much also easier to defeat than in Asia.

Asia was much stronger and European power in the timepsan of the game only reached as far as being just another trading nation on the scene. They had to make deals with the local kings unlike in America where they could about walk over them really compared to Asia. That gradualy improved though (England got a grip on India in the end) but in the span of the game it should be very hard to do some serious citybuilding in Asia.

In that way I think they made the game so that colonisation goes much easier in America and natives join sooner then as there was the place population colonisation was succesful, unlike in Asia.

Just load up the scenario that starts in 1700 to have a look at the colonisation which was about right for that time. Colonisation is way too easy and goes way too quickly in the GC really.

 

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'Colonisation is way too easy and goes way too quickly in the GC really.'

I couldn't agree with you more. I have even posted a separate thread under General Discussions addressing this issue with the title 'England's colonization is Excessive!' In the GC, England can have a vast north American empire by 1600, whereas, historically the actual first new world English settlement was 1607 in Jamestown, Virginia.

 

[BiB]

Exactly. At least the AI doesn't take that much advantage of it but a human player with England can colonize like crazy and have colonized wholeNorth America before 1607 so to say.