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I'm playing England in the 1066 scenario and after having dealt with the rebellion of Northumberland all my other vassals are declaring independence from me.

In Northumberland's case I took all the lands from the Duke in anticipation of creating the Duchy of York (plus it might be a good idea to keep the countdoms of lands right next to the Scottish border, I think), with the others I'm re-vassalising them, which is probably a bad idea but I hear taking land off them results in bad reputation and further rebellions.

What does a King do?
 
Woad-Warrier said:
I'm playing England in the 1066 scenario and after having dealt with the rebellion of Northumberland all my other vassals are declaring independence from me.

In Northumberland's case I took all the lands from the Duke in anticipation of creating the Duchy of York (plus it might be a good idea to keep the countdoms of lands right next to the Scottish border, I think), with the others I'm re-vassalising them, which is probably a bad idea but I hear taking land off them results in bad reputation and further rebellions.

What does a King do?
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Re-vassalising them is actually the smarter move to make. You get a BB reduction as long as you relinquish claims in the Peace negotiations, build up lots of nice Prestige (and it's not uncommon that those rebellious vassals might lose that Rebelliousness trait in the short time they were independent).

The big question here is what happened when Northumberland rebelled on you. Did your King get hit with the Realm Duress Trait (cause it sure sounds like it). If yes, then the rest of your vassals are MUCH more likely now to start causing lots of trouble. Just keep the Civil Wars as short as possible (Realm Duress trait much more likely to get removed when you're at peace), re-vassalize as much as possible and strip Duke titles from those Permanently rebel and then handing them out to someone else (there-for, the rebel is now someone ELSE'S problem). Even 100% loyal/non-rebel vassals could spontaneously declare independence (tho they won't DOW you).

PS - Oh, and you might've picked up some large chunks of BB when you demolished Northumberland off the map completely, which might have pushed someone else over the edge, but re-vassalizing/recongnizing claims with later Rebels should make all your BB go away.
 
Thanks for your help. I had a really enjoyable England game going for most of the day until I morphed into the Duchy of Cornwall for some bizarre reason. :D
 
I'm not very experienced with the game yet: but it seems like when you make a duke or count relinquish his claim, it just makes all your other vassals disloyal. After I annex one, another rebels, and so on.
 
ZechsMerquise73 said:
I'm not very experienced with the game yet: but it seems like when you make a duke or count relinquish his claim, it just makes all your other vassals disloyal. After I annex one, another rebels, and so on.
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When you say reliquish claim ... is that forcing him to give up claims on your titles in peace talks, give up his own title in peace talks or revoking his title in peace time?

If you force him to give up his own title(s) or revoking them, then you will get BB points, which will affect the loaylty of your other vassals. Also revoking a title gives a one-time loyalty hit to all direct vassals, if I remember right.

If you force him to give up claims on your titles, should not cost BB or give loyalty problems.
 
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