Qutie a few CB shields of several countries should go in fact. And either be replaced by giving a 300 year temp CB against a country or the like or even nothing.
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I'm not so sure about removing the permanent CB vs Scotland and Ireland though for England and replacing them with temporary ones.
We all know that the AI for England already is a disaster. Why complicate matters for it by punishing it with 50 years of revolts if it actually gets to do what we do with England by 1498?
We all know that the AI for England already is a disaster. Why complicate matters for it by punishing it with 50 years of revolts if it actually gets to do what we do with England by 1498?
Heh, interesting that the Wallachia/Moldovia/Transylvania topic comes up again. Not to mention the whole Bessarabia situation.
I'm all for tweaking relations in the area, as well as province starting religions. Experimenting with removing the Wallachia vassalization might be an option, as It'd be nice to see Wallachia manage to pull through. This isn't really historical, though, as Michael the Brave's rise and consequent unification of the three Romanian principalities really started with a struggle for Wallachian independence from the Ottomans.
As we can't really have anything like Dutch Nationalism in the Balkans, it might be a good option. Pulling the Turkish CB shields for a time-oriented CB is definitely a good idea. I'm with BiB on the whole CB issue.
By the way, there's a fairly comprehensive list of historical Moldovian rulers here.
- Raife
I'm all for tweaking relations in the area, as well as province starting religions. Experimenting with removing the Wallachia vassalization might be an option, as It'd be nice to see Wallachia manage to pull through. This isn't really historical, though, as Michael the Brave's rise and consequent unification of the three Romanian principalities really started with a struggle for Wallachian independence from the Ottomans.
As we can't really have anything like Dutch Nationalism in the Balkans, it might be a good option. Pulling the Turkish CB shields for a time-oriented CB is definitely a good idea. I'm with BiB on the whole CB issue.
By the way, there's a fairly comprehensive list of historical Moldovian rulers here.
- Raife
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CB shields and "permanent" temporary CB's
Except for ai problem issues like England (if the CB shields help England), I'm with BiB.
But, I think England's problems are that it gets conquered by Scotland (amongst others). If it did well enough to take Scotish provinces then the extra revolts shouldn't be a problem.
As an alternative (or in addition) I saw another post recently where you can force nationalism to exist no matter what by adding a tag to the scenario file. Found the post:
by Moctezuma
Not sure whether it applies to any owner, or what. Moctezuma?
Except for ai problem issues like England (if the CB shields help England), I'm with BiB.
But, I think England's problems are that it gets conquered by Scotland (amongst others). If it did well enough to take Scotish provinces then the extra revolts shouldn't be a problem.
As an alternative (or in addition) I saw another post recently where you can force nationalism to exist no matter what by adding a tag to the scenario file. Found the post:
by Moctezuma
Not sure whether it applies to any owner, or what. Moctezuma?
Just a little data dump on what I currently plan for IGC 2.3:
- Granada will be replaced with a more useful nation. (Poll underway.)
- Sardinia will be reinstated as a revolter. ARG tag will probably be used for New Spain.
- Catalunya will probably become a combined Catalunya-Aragon revolter.
- Reworking of the core provinces and relations in the Balkans.
- FPR tag will be used for Transylvania, leaving the PRO tag free.
- PRO tag will be used for something nice. Languedoc, Brazil or Argentina spring to mind.
- Naples and Sicily will have CB shields on each others provinces.
- Poland will get several (optional) waves of historical unrest.
- The IGC config tool might (I need time, time!) support the 1520.inc.
- Byzantium fantasy option. (Again, if I have time.)
I am sure there will be other minor changes, but this is the gist of it.
- Granada will be replaced with a more useful nation. (Poll underway.)
- Sardinia will be reinstated as a revolter. ARG tag will probably be used for New Spain.
- Catalunya will probably become a combined Catalunya-Aragon revolter.
- Reworking of the core provinces and relations in the Balkans.
- FPR tag will be used for Transylvania, leaving the PRO tag free.
- PRO tag will be used for something nice. Languedoc, Brazil or Argentina spring to mind.
- Naples and Sicily will have CB shields on each others provinces.
- Poland will get several (optional) waves of historical unrest.
- The IGC config tool might (I need time, time!) support the 1520.inc.
- Byzantium fantasy option. (Again, if I have time.)
I am sure there will be other minor changes, but this is the gist of it.
I would love any of those nations used with the PRO tag...
Just make your pick Doomie. Although I tend to put Argentina in last place
Just make your pick Doomie. Although I tend to put Argentina in last place
Remember that web site hosted by some
Turkish fellow a few years back? It was the rage at the time and garnered 1000's of hits and 100's of emails from lonely women. It read:
"I kiss you"
And so, with Sardinia back in the EU fold, I won't kiss you Doomie, but I give you a vigorous virtual handshake and an IGC salute!*
*Um.. say BiB, what is "the" IGC salute?
Turkish fellow a few years back? It was the rage at the time and garnered 1000's of hits and 100's of emails from lonely women. It read:
"I kiss you"
And so, with Sardinia back in the EU fold, I won't kiss you Doomie, but I give you a vigorous virtual handshake and an IGC salute!*
*Um.. say BiB, what is "the" IGC salute?
Also
I wanted to say that I think you are doing great keeping the progress of the IGC on track. These are good changes, all of which I look forward to.
Can someone now kill New Spain?
I wanted to say that I think you are doing great keeping the progress of the IGC on track. These are good changes, all of which I look forward to.
Can someone now kill New Spain?
Re: Remember that web site hosted by some
Due to ur time off u prolly missed the secret handshake initiation. We will get u back up to speed in no time, don't worry.
Due to ur time off u prolly missed the secret handshake initiation. We will get u back up to speed in no time, don't worry.
Hands off New Spain 
Seriously, isn't PRO a protestant tag?
And about Poland's historical events, what do you mean?
(uhm, i hope that you will move that army in western prussia, it's suffering a small attrition now, it's not very importatnt, but would be nice)
Seriously, isn't PRO a protestant tag?
And about Poland's historical events, what do you mean?
(uhm, i hope that you will move that army in western prussia, it's suffering a small attrition now, it's not very importatnt, but would be nice
)
Center of Trade for Vinland?
Why does Vinland in IGC 2.2 have "Venice" as its Center of Trade but no idea at all where its Center of Trade is located?
Venice doesn't know where Vinland is. Vinland doesn't know where Venice is. Why does trade generated by Vinland go to Venice?
Wouldn't Flandres be a more reasonable choice to start with?
Why does Vinland in IGC 2.2 have "Venice" as its Center of Trade but no idea at all where its Center of Trade is located?
Venice doesn't know where Vinland is. Vinland doesn't know where Venice is. Why does trade generated by Vinland go to Venice?
Wouldn't Flandres be a more reasonable choice to start with?
Province's Cot is hardcoded, so only two solutions i can think of are to give them their own cot or make venice known.
Agreed. However, the AI (at least in the games that I've played) accepts the Ottoman Yoke, and uses it create a very ahistorical empire -- I'm perfectly willing to let a human player to change history that way, but I think that it damages realism to make that the default AI policy.
Thanks. I already knew about ici.ro, and shouldn't have problems on getting the names down. The biggest problem will be keeping the names straight, balancing the monarch skills, and creating reasonable events. I'll ask for feedback as I get to that level.
Actually, that raises another question: should Russia have a CB shield on Thrace? They'll never get it, of course, since the Ottomans are far too powerful till the 1600's, but it would reflect the Third Rome's claim to the Second Rome, and would reflect the constant Russo-Turkish wars that continued at lest until WWI.
Re: Re: IGC 2.3 Discussion
I was kind of inclined that way -- at least for the non-incompetent ones -- and I'll try not to be too biased. ;-)
I was wondering how to include the Phanariot period. My gut feeling was that I'd include the princes, just try to turn it into a Romanian version of the Time of Troubles period with events, including loss of income, instability, etc. as seems the more accurately reflect the specific reign. When I get to that point, I'll try to post those reigns where I have placed events, and ask for feedback.
You are really considering the Phanariot period, when the constitutional system had become very corrupt. Earlier there was a more elective structure, as exemplified by the whole concept of the os dominesc, which was irrelevant to the Phanariots. In the final analysis, I think that the election of Alexandru Cuza as prince of both principalities despite Ottoman opposition supports my interpretation about the underlying constitutional basis of both principalities, not withstanding the corruption so endemic of the Phanariot period.
However, regardless of how important the os dominesc and elections or corruption and bribery were on the other, the list of princes won't change.
I was kind of inclined that way -- at least for the non-incompetent ones -- and I'll try not to be too biased. ;-)
I was wondering how to include the Phanariot period. My gut feeling was that I'd include the princes, just try to turn it into a Romanian version of the Time of Troubles period with events, including loss of income, instability, etc. as seems the more accurately reflect the specific reign. When I get to that point, I'll try to post those reigns where I have placed events, and ask for feedback.
You are really considering the Phanariot period, when the constitutional system had become very corrupt. Earlier there was a more elective structure, as exemplified by the whole concept of the os dominesc, which was irrelevant to the Phanariots. In the final analysis, I think that the election of Alexandru Cuza as prince of both principalities despite Ottoman opposition supports my interpretation about the underlying constitutional basis of both principalities, not withstanding the corruption so endemic of the Phanariot period.
However, regardless of how important the os dominesc and elections or corruption and bribery were on the other, the list of princes won't change.
Maur13,
No, it was originally Provence. In hindsight, it was probably a mistake to use it for Transylvania. (Provence was a much more active and interesting revolter than FPR.)
Well, how about some of the Cossack uprisings? A couple of unrest waves for the period 1648-1666 perhaps?
I checked this, and they don't seem to suffer attrition. Maybe during winter?
No, it was originally Provence. In hindsight, it was probably a mistake to use it for Transylvania. (Provence was a much more active and interesting revolter than FPR.)
Well, how about some of the Cossack uprisings? A couple of unrest waves for the period 1648-1666 perhaps?
I checked this, and they don't seem to suffer attrition. Maybe during winter?
i would like to play as Finland or Greece. Whenever I choose them the game crashes. In fact, I don't see Finland at all. What happened? error.
Few fiddly things that dont quite work right.
- Finland and norway do NOT convert to protestantism in the IGC.
New options I would like to see
- option for removing dai viet and ayahattaya
- For burgundy the mighty start it as a vassal of spain or austria
- all nations option, make all existing revolters appear on map new spain, granada, transilvania, ukraine, hugenotts ect.ect. they start as vassals of country they are part of.. sort of like balkanisation.
- reduced colonisation option. it halves the number of colonists in first three colonisation periods, I do this by hand and it seems more historical. Considering doing it late game as well, but my "human" intervention screwes up the balance.
-the mughal settlers thing should be an option, if so give the conquistadors, same for china.
-consider pagan mysore, to prevent moghul annexation, same for muslim dai viet.. (unhistorical, yes but..)
-alternative future powers 1,2,3,4 ect.ect. give the pru, bra and swe tags to some other country such as saxony, hungary or papacy or three other sets of minors and switch leader files and change their names so that the "dont go to war with sweden between 1610 and 1632 rule does not apply
-turkish cb on vienna, austrian cb on constantinopel, same for england france, spain france, france austria, austria prussia, sweden denmark, russia poland..so that you can allways fight your main enemy.
- Finland and norway do NOT convert to protestantism in the IGC.
New options I would like to see
- option for removing dai viet and ayahattaya
- For burgundy the mighty start it as a vassal of spain or austria
- all nations option, make all existing revolters appear on map new spain, granada, transilvania, ukraine, hugenotts ect.ect. they start as vassals of country they are part of.. sort of like balkanisation.
- reduced colonisation option. it halves the number of colonists in first three colonisation periods, I do this by hand and it seems more historical. Considering doing it late game as well, but my "human" intervention screwes up the balance.
-the mughal settlers thing should be an option, if so give the conquistadors, same for china.
-consider pagan mysore, to prevent moghul annexation, same for muslim dai viet.. (unhistorical, yes but..)
-alternative future powers 1,2,3,4 ect.ect. give the pru, bra and swe tags to some other country such as saxony, hungary or papacy or three other sets of minors and switch leader files and change their names so that the "dont go to war with sweden between 1610 and 1632 rule does not apply
-turkish cb on vienna, austrian cb on constantinopel, same for england france, spain france, france austria, austria prussia, sweden denmark, russia poland..so that you can allways fight your main enemy.
If you are using 2.2b, please download 2.2c (2.2b did not unzip correctly and might cause the problems you describe.)
Viking,
That's right. This is a regular bug, so you should take it up with Paradox. (NOR and KAL tags should convert.)
Simple enough to do I suppose. Will consider it for 2.3.
Why?
Interesting... It would require a lot of work though. Not sure it's worth it.
The IGC+ dudes have done some nice changes to the colonization. I am already considering adopting some of it.
Hmm. No. No conquistadors. Perhaps an option, but I can't make every change optional.
Dai Viet and Ayutthaya are no longer being annexed by China routinely. A pagan Mysore is workable, but would not be much fun for human players.
No way. You're asking me to rebuild the game.
No. Even traditional enemies needed reasons to go to war.
That's right. This is a regular bug, so you should take it up with Paradox. (NOR and KAL tags should convert.)
Simple enough to do I suppose. Will consider it for 2.3.
Why?
Interesting... It would require a lot of work though. Not sure it's worth it.
The IGC+ dudes have done some nice changes to the colonization. I am already considering adopting some of it.
Hmm. No. No conquistadors. Perhaps an option, but I can't make every change optional.
Dai Viet and Ayutthaya are no longer being annexed by China routinely. A pagan Mysore is workable, but would not be much fun for human players.
No way. You're asking me to rebuild the game.
No. Even traditional enemies needed reasons to go to war.